The Trinity made easy

Even Jesus could have sinned when he walked this earth. Otherwise why would he be tempted in the wilderness and yet did not sin. He had the ability and could have chosen to sin but did not. We are certainly not superior to Christ when it comes to temptation.

Why do you think Jesus washed the feet of the disciples? As we Christians walk through the world, some of the world’s spiritual filth will cling to us, and that needs to be washed away—forgiven by Christ. 1 John 1:9

If you're married and you check out someone of the opposite sex you just committed Adultery. If you call somebody a fool that cuts you off on the freeway you're a murderer.

So good luck with not sinning in your Christian walk.
Holy Smokes... recognizing the beauty of women is a sin when married? A murderer for bad driving habits? We don't sin in Christ. It's the "in him" that seems to not be understood." Here's a few verses...

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.
 
What about Romans 7:19? For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.

Paul is describing the experience of all Christians struggling to stop sinning and to do the good they are capable of doing in the power of the Holy Spirit now that they are no longer slaves to sin.

Also according to 1 John 1:9, when we confess our sins, God is both faithful and just in forgiving us and purifying us from all unrighteousness. This verse emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and admitting our sins to God, rather than denying or hiding them.

Sanctification on the other hand, is the process of being made righteous in practice, is ongoing, and Christians are progressively freed from the power of sin Romans 6:15-23 However, they still sin because their old nature, though dead in one sense, is being put to death and still has influence over them.

God’s desire for us is that we not sin, and one day our sanctification will be complete. 1 John 3:2 But, until that time, we still inhabit fallen bodies in a fallen world, and we struggle with the flesh and sometimes lose the battle. But we will not be lost; Jesus Himself intercedes for us as our High Priest.

Sinless perfection is not going to happen until the rapture of the church.
Romans 7 tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh. What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we over come this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. Romans 8 states "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin..."
 
Holy Smokes... recognizing the beauty of women is a sin when married? A murderer for bad driving habits? We don't sin in Christ. It's the "in him" that seems to not be understood." Here's a few verses...

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.
It's all in the translation. That's why you're misreading what the bible says.

Now the ESV is right to translate “we know that everyone who has been born of God” — and then it translates the verb — “does not keep on sinning&,” which helps a little bit, maybe. First John 3:9 has the same issue: “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.”

Now I could pull rank with Greek here — which I will — and then I will back up and say that is not the key issue. The idea of the Greek present tense (hamartanei in 1 John 5:18) which is being used is that those who are born again and have the Spirit of God in them cannot ever make peace with sin, settle in with sin, make sin a friend, be okay with sinning — just go on sinning as though no war needs to be made against it, and nothing will come of it if we do. The present tense says: no, you can’t do that, you can’t make a practice of sinning like that.

What do you call the bad things that you do? It's a little more than recognizing a beautiful woman it's lusting after her in your heart. You know intently checking around I wouldn't suggest doing it in front of your wife cuz I guarantee you she will know exactly what you're doing.

I'm not talking about driving habits either. I'm talking about calling someone an idiot or worse when they cut you off on the freeway. The bible says..... Then Jesus said, “Whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into fiery hell” (Matthew 5:22c). The English word “fool” comes from the Greek word “moros” from which we also get our word moron.

1 John 1:8-10 ESVIf we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

This verse offers John's third conditional ("if") statement in a row. There are five such "if" statements in this passage. First, he refers to those who claim fellowship with Christ while living in sin (1 John 1:6). Second, John addresses those who truly live according to Christ's commands (1 John 1:7). Here, in verse 8, John refers to those who claim to have no sin whatsoever.

John's pattern of alternating positive and negative "if" statements clues the reader in to upcoming ideas. Here, it sets up the reader to expect a negative "if" statement. Saying we have no sin is considered negative and simply impossible—only God is completely without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So, anyone who claims to be without sin is self-deceived.

John teaches that those who claim to be without sin do not have the truth in them. This lack of truth applies to the saved believer who claims to have been freed from all sin in their present life. A believer should recognize his or her sinfulness and need of forgiveness through Christ. Even the most devout, clean-living Christian still contends with sin, in some way, shape, or form. Forgetting that we have sin makes us insensitive to things we ought to confess to God. As stated in verse 7, we don't lose hope, but we trust in Christ to forgive us.

While it's not necessary to have perfect knowledge in order to be saved—justified before God—a core aspect of the gospel is a recognition of our sin. Therefore, anyone who claims to have never sinned is denying the gospel. By definition, such a person is an unbeliever. And, any believer who concludes that they no longer sin needs to be corrected.

Note, also, that verses 8, 9, and 10 cover past, present, and future sins. Believers still have the choice of whether or not to submit to Christ at any given time. If this was not possible, the Bible would not warn Christians so often about the consequences of sin. Even the believer is still fallible.
 
Romans 7 tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh. What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we over come this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary. To do so takes away from the perfect work of Christ and places salvation and righteousness back in our own hands. Romans 8 states "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin..."
Yes I've heard the argument before it just doesn't hold water sorry.

 
I believe we undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.
 
It's all in the translation. That's why you're misreading what the bible says.

Now the ESV is right to translate “we know that everyone who has been born of God” — and then it translates the verb — “does not keep on sinning&,” which helps a little bit, maybe. First John 3:9 has the same issue: “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.”

Now I could pull rank with Greek here — which I will — and then I will back up and say that is not the key issue. The idea of the Greek present tense (hamartanei in 1 John 5:18) which is being used is that those who are born again and have the Spirit of God in them cannot ever make peace with sin, settle in with sin, make sin a friend, be okay with sinning — just go on sinning as though no war needs to be made against it, and nothing will come of it if we do. The present tense says: no, you can’t do that, you can’t make a practice of sinning like that.

What do you call the bad things that you do? It's a little more than recognizing a beautiful woman it's lusting after her in your heart. You know intently checking around I wouldn't suggest doing it in front of your wife cuz I guarantee you she will know exactly what you're doing.

I'm not talking about driving habits either. I'm talking about calling someone an idiot or worse when they cut you off on the freeway. The bible says..... Then Jesus said, “Whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into fiery hell” (Matthew 5:22c). The English word “fool” comes from the Greek word “moros” from which we also get our word moron.

1 John 1:8-10 ESVIf we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

This verse offers John's third conditional ("if") statement in a row. There are five such "if" statements in this passage. First, he refers to those who claim fellowship with Christ while living in sin (1 John 1:6). Second, John addresses those who truly live according to Christ's commands (1 John 1:7). Here, in verse 8, John refers to those who claim to have no sin whatsoever.

John's pattern of alternating positive and negative "if" statements clues the reader in to upcoming ideas. Here, it sets up the reader to expect a negative "if" statement. Saying we have no sin is considered negative and simply impossible—only God is completely without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So, anyone who claims to be without sin is self-deceived.

John teaches that those who claim to be without sin do not have the truth in them. This lack of truth applies to the saved believer who claims to have been freed from all sin in their present life. A believer should recognize his or her sinfulness and need of forgiveness through Christ. Even the most devout, clean-living Christian still contends with sin, in some way, shape, or form. Forgetting that we have sin makes us insensitive to things we ought to confess to God. As stated in verse 7, we don't lose hope, but we trust in Christ to forgive us.

While it's not necessary to have perfect knowledge in order to be saved—justified before God—a core aspect of the gospel is a recognition of our sin. Therefore, anyone who claims to have never sinned is denying the gospel. By definition, such a person is an unbeliever. And, any believer who concludes that they no longer sin needs to be corrected.

Note, also, that verses 8, 9, and 10 cover past, present, and future sins. Believers still have the choice of whether or not to submit to Christ at any given time. If this was not possible, the Bible would not warn Christians so often about the consequences of sin. Even the believer is still fallible.
That keep on sinning does not make any sense. Most Christians still believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. And this is why they believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point, but must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell,or at the very least God will not fellowship with you, and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin. Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him.
 
Even Jesus could have sinned when he walked this earth. Otherwise why would he be tempted in the wilderness and yet did not sin. He had the ability and could have chosen to sin but did not. We are certainly not superior to Christ when it comes to temptation.

Why do you think Jesus washed the feet of the disciples? As we Christians walk through the world, some of the world’s spiritual filth will cling to us, and that needs to be washed away—forgiven by Christ. 1 John 1:9

If you're married and you check out someone of the opposite sex you just committed Adultery. If you call somebody a fool that cuts you off on the freeway you're a murderer.

So good luck with not sinning in your Christian walk.
I believe in the Jesus of John 8:32-36 and 1 John 3:5-9. So I guess you believe in a different Jesus than I do.
 
Now the ESV is right to translate “we know that everyone who has been born of God” — and then it translates the verb — “does not keep on sinning&,” which helps a little bit, maybe. First John 3:9 has the same issue: “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.”
I find this hilarious! So what you're saying is you don't make a practice of murdering someone, but every once in a while is normal.
 
That keep on sinning does not make any sense. Most Christians still believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. And this is why they believe their sins are forgiven when they are born again up to that point, but must run to God to confess and repent their new sins every time they sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell,or at the very least God will not fellowship with you, and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin. Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him.
Did you know that all of my prayers have been answered for the last 47 years? 100% 1 John 3:21-22 "21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight." Jesus has made the New Covenant so easy by giving us His power and making His laws part of our conscience.
 
I find this hilarious! So what you're saying is you don't make a practice of murdering someone, but every once in a while is normal.
Nope sorry wasn't what I said at all. But I will clarify it for you. First off there's only one Jesus we have to share him. I don't have my Jesus and you don't have your Jesus we both have Jesus. And he said,

“Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in Him” (1 John 3:15).
 
I love what Karl Barth once wrote that the Trinity is God as Lord of Salvation “three times over.” God is Lord of salvation as the Father, as the Son, and as the Holy Spirit.

Did you know to be the Lord of Salvation is to be the only one who can save. It means that salvation comes from none other, that no one else has the capacity to save.

The Trinity means that God is Lord of salvation at every step in the salvation process, from its origins to its fulfillment in us. As Romans 11:36 tells us concerning God, “For from him and through him and to him are all things.”

All things pertaining to salvation are from God, through God, and to God. To be more specific, all things have their origin from God the Father, come to us through the Son, Jesus Christ, and are perfected via the Holy Spirit so as to be offered back to the glory of the Father.
 
I love what Karl Barth once wrote that the Trinity is God as Lord of Salvation “three times over.” God is Lord of salvation as the Father, as the Son, and as the Holy Spirit.

Did you know to be the Lord of Salvation is to be the only one who can save. It means that salvation comes from none other, that no one else has the capacity to save.

The Trinity means that God is Lord of salvation at every step in the salvation process, from its origins to its fulfillment in us. As Romans 11:36 tells us concerning God, “For from him and through him and to him are all things.”

All things pertaining to salvation are from God, through God, and to God. To be more specific, all things have their origin from God the Father, come to us through the Son, Jesus Christ, and are perfected via the Holy Spirit so as to be offered back to the glory of the Father.
And only God is the Savior which He states many times in the O.T. Yet in the N.T. It’s Christ who is he Savior of the world , of all men, not the Father. There is only one name by which men can be saved- Jesus.

To overlook this is to turn a blind eye to scripture and place one’s dogma ( what they have been taught ) above Gods revealed word.

hope this helps !!!
 
Nope sorry wasn't what I said at all. But I will clarify it for you. First off there's only one Jesus we have to share him. I don't have my Jesus and you don't have your Jesus we both have Jesus. And he said,

“Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in Him” (1 John 3:15).
If you hate your brother then you are not Christian. Read it in the context. Same in Romans 8.
 
They absolutely can be a Christian, They're just walking in the flesh... they're sinning. All they need to do is confess their sin and get back on track.
The verse before tells us it's referring to those who are not yet born again. Thus, they abide in death.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
 
The verse before tells us it's referring to those who are not yet born again. Thus, they abide in death.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
So if you're a Christian and someone does something atrocious like murder one of your children and you feel Hatred toward them

“Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in Him” (1 John 3:15)

Would not apply to you?
 
The trinity is logical and correct teaching. Right from the beginning of the bible it's clearly shown.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:26-28

It shows me the three members of the trinity in action and the plan they made for humanity, God's creation.
 
Nope sorry wasn't what I said at all. But I will clarify it for you. First off there's only one Jesus we have to share him. I don't have my Jesus and you don't have your Jesus we both have Jesus. And he said,

“Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in Him” (1 John 3:15).
Can you see that because the type of sin is "lawless" it is not something we "practice." There is another type of sin that is a lesser sin having to do with immature fruit. It would be more appropriate to add practice to it, but definitely not to lawlessness. The Catholics call these two types of sin mortal sins (sins unto death) and venial sins (sins not unto death), 1 John 5:16-17. But we shouldn't be adding or taking away anything from the Word of God.
 
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