The Trinity made easy

[Peterlag]

Glad you commented on this. how one take it makes no mind to 101G, let's here what God say about the Lord Jesus being EQUAL "WITH". scripture, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

this is the LORD speaking, he the "LORD" said, "the MAN who is my FELLOW". this is in reference to Christ, (one can cross reference this verse to Matthew 26:31). the Hebrew term "FELLOW" is,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

God is speaking about Christ, the Lord. and here we see that this man is A. concrete, but God is Spirit. and the KJV can translate this "fellow" as "another". as in the NT G243 Allos, another Comforter. and G243 definition is, "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort" 101G is using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words for G243 allos. and while online one can look up the term SORT at dictionary.com and it means, "a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature" and it is Synonyms with: nature, character, rank, order, family, class. BINGO, the same NATURE, there is our answer by God. he the Lord Jesus has the SAME NATURE..... get this, "numerical difference" in the EQUAL SHARE, just as Philippians 2:6 clearly states, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

see Pete, 101G don't have to make up an excuse, or a counter proposal. BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD. as the scriptures states, "STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVE UNTO GOD.".

so you're reproved.

101G.

The Lord in Zechariah is God. Not Jesus. There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.”

 

[e v e]

God is a Trinity of persons, a Tri-Unity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are the one God. Each Person has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are qualities or characteristics of personhood. The Trinity is in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance, essence, nature or being. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.

Jesus, the Son, is one Divine Person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also Divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.

The word "person" is used to describe the three of the Godhead because the word "person" is appropriate. A person is self aware, can speak, love, hate, say "you," "yours," "me," "mine," etc. Each of the three Persons in the Trinity demonstrate these qualities.

What is so hard to understand about God being Triune? The Father is not the the Son. The Son is not the the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. God is a Tri-Unity of 3 Persons who are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is not three gods nor is the Trinity three beings. We call them "Persons" because each one of Them have a will, speak, teach, love, receive praise, prayer, share the same Glory, etc. These are all characteristics of person-hood. They are of one substance, nature, essence or Being. You cannot have the Father without the Son, the Son without the Father, The Son without the Holy Spirit or you would not have the God according to Scripture, you would have a false god or what is known as an idol.

Lets discuss

hope this helps,

A person and a being are the same exact thing.
Cheers.

God, His Son and His Feminine Spirit are each Beings.

The reason people avoid the being word is because of the overlay of philosophies of Plato , Aristotle,
and Augustine onto Christianity.

It is okay. It won't make you become pagan by saying that word.
Esau has bullied us into the ground, causing this fear to use the word Being.

 

[e v e]

God is a being.
His Spirit is a being.
His Son is a being...

It's okay.

 

[e v e]

Christ is indeed Deity.

A deity is a type of nature, just as you are a flesh man, since both your parents were in this flesh. Whale - a type of nature. Fox - a type of nature. Deer a type of nature. Whale, deer, fox - all flesh fallen earth creature types in this FALLEN NATURE.

Deity is the type of nature we had in Eden, which means, the glorified body God gave us in His EXACT image, which had His Signature, and which is just like Him since we are His ACTUAL children. Not creatures. So if you were a fox, you would be an exact fox. Would it make you your father fox, no. Would it mean that you were your human father, no.

Deity is His type of Nature, and our restoration to His Paradise and His nature is the reason His Sons can rule with Christ. Which as creatures they COULD NOT do. So there is no problem if Each of us are Beings. God remains God.

We will be restored to our Eden situation and Nature, and this Nature, of the flesh will pass.

Obsessing over that word and avoiding it is a vatican thing, which started long ago and for the purpose of bullying us.

Look how far we fell that esau has convinced His souls that we are animal creatures that get cancer, cough, have car accidents,
and that God made this body and earth.

Sad.

 

[Peterlag]

God is a being.
His Spirit is a being.
His Son is a being...

It's okay.

Jesus, the Son, is one Divine Person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also Divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

 

[e v e]

I think it depersonalizes Christ, which is esau's intent, to speak of him
with these weird terms... in order to avoid that He is a being.

 

[e v e]

Jesus, the Son, is one Divine Person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also Divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

I dont know where that philosophy term exists in His Words.

Please tell me where Hypostatic Union is to be found
said by Him.

 

[e v e]

And I ask that because simply HE does not speak that way.

EVER.

 

[e v e]

WHERE does God ever speak of His Son who He loves
as a second person of a trinity?
Why would that be needed? Does God have an ego?
LOL. Of course not.

Nowhere does He say such silly nonsense.

I've no problem with the concept
that they are One and they are God...
since, Christ and God's Spirit are IN Him and are His Hands...

I just have no problem with the word being...
It's a very basic word and has been turned into a
philosophical boondoggle...

by the vatican.

 

[e v e]

I think the purpose of the fake trinity wars
is so that we will never know we have a family,
in eden paradise... and so that we will believe we are flesh entities
that procreate, that breed, that live 80 years, get sick and die
and that God would have made us this way in Eden..
It is a fabrication and a LIE.

 

[e v e]

the laws of nature that God set up.

God did not create the current laws of nature on this earth.

What an insult to God.

 

[e v e]

The only reason I can think of why modern christianity
continues fighting over non points
would be not wanting to give up traditions....
and esau constantly bolstering that impulse
to live in tradition (= to be of this world and its needs and wants).

but...was that not how the ishralites go themselves cursed ?
Refusing to Listen to his prophets because
they would not let go of cherished notions.....?

 

[e v e]

Jesus, the Son, is one Divine Person with two natures: Divine and Human. This is called the Hypostatic Union. The Holy Spirit is also Divine in nature and is self aware, the third person of the Trinity.

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

Cambridge dot org

being
noun
/ˈbiː.ɪŋ/ us /ˈbiː.ɪŋ/
a person or thing that exists

 

[Peterlag]

God did not create the current laws of nature on this earth.

What an insult to God.

I said "the laws of nature that God set up."
Why did you add the words "on this earth" implying that it was a quote from me?

 

[e v e]

I said "the laws of nature that God set up."
Why did you add the words "on this earth" implying that it was a quote from me?

that was not intentional. that was that i lost the quote when I removing most of it.
anyone can click back...my point is that God did not create the current physics...
allow it, okay.

 

[101G]

The Lord in Zechariah is God. Not Jesus. There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.”

Yes, the "Lord" in Zechariah is God, and he is Jesus.

and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.”

another ERROR on your part again. if this is true, let the bible answer it for us. Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." and you know that Yahweh is the Hebrew version for Jehovah. Abraham did not know this name, Yahweh/Jehovah, right, read the verses again. now this. Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." now why is Jehovah is in Abraham mouth? because it's a false man-made up name. for Abraham only knew God as, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect." see Pete, God don't LIE, men do. so try again.

that's two mistakes in one post.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, the "Lord" in Zechariah is God, and he is Jesus.

another ERROR on your part again. if this is true, let the bible answer it for us. Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." and you know that Yahweh is the Hebrew version for Jehovah. Abraham did not know this name, Yahweh/Jehovah, right, read the verses again. now this. Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." now why is Jehovah is in Abraham mouth? because it's a false man-made up name. for Abraham only knew God as, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect." see Pete, God don't LIE, men do. so try again.

that's two mistakes in one post.

101G.

I have no idea what you're talking about. God was called the Lord all throughout the Old Testament right up until He made Jesus both Lord and Christ after He raised him from the dead.

 

[charismaticlady]

staying righteous? ........ are we not righteous in Christ Jesus? Listen, Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:21 "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;" LISTEN, Romans 3:22 "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:" Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Romans 3:26 "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

we're righteous in Christ Jesus, and the term "justified" simply means DECLARED RIGHTIOUS. see, it's not us who live, but he in us that live. by FAITH we live in HIM. understand now.? and because of HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS....... and not our righteousness, we're declared righteous or justified before God and are sealed with the Holy Spirit. are we not in a binding covenant that cannot be broken? yes. so the only thing we need to do is believe in this justification that God has done for us..... BY FAITH. remember, Romans 3:22 "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"

hope this help

101G.

Oh dear. Do you believe in OSAS? It sure sounds like it, but read the WARNINGS. Like these:

1 John 3:6 "Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him."

John 15:1 "“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit He takes away

Matthew 7:19-23 "
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

 

[101G]

Oh dear. Do you believe in OSAS? It sure sounds like it, but read the WARNINGS. Like these:

1 John 3:6 "Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him."



John 15:1 "“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit He takes away

Matthew 7:19-23 "
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

where in any of these scriptures say one loses their salvation if they sin?

and as for the branches, thrown in the fire..... listen and learn, 1 Corinthians 3:14 "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward." 1 Corinthians 3:15 "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." (read that again carefully), 1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

101G suggest you study close these scriptures, for they will answer all of your scriptures posted.

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

where in any of these scriptures say one loses their salvation if they sin?

and as for the branches, thrown in the fire..... listen and learn, 1 Corinthians 3:14 "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward." 1 Corinthians 3:15 "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." (read that again carefully), 1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:17 "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

101G suggest you study close these scriptures, for they will answer all of your scriptures posted.

101G.

1 Corinthians 3:15 is not about sin! ROFL It is about the writing of NT doctrine! The context is about teachers like Apollos and Paul. Don't forget they didn't have the New Testament to read. They were writing it! Paul's epistles stood the test of time. We don't know what Apollos taught. Maybe God burned it, but because of the heart of Apollos, he was saved.

101G you have a lot to learn and the first is that God is Holy, and no sinner goes through the pearly gates. Revelation 22:11. The righteous have been cleansed of all unrighteousness, 1 John 1:9 and are clean. John 15:3. And the holy have grown in all the fruit of the Spirit and come to a place where they never stumble, but as long as they are abiding and walking in the light of the Spirit, the sins of immaturity are continually being cleansed. 1 John 1:7, 2 Peter 1:5-11, John 15:1-4.