The Trinity and the Incarnation

[Peterlag]

Irrelevant.
These terms express what is taught in the Bible.

Not even one of those terms are found in the Bible.

 

[Fred]

Not even one of those terms are found in the Bible.

These terms express what is taught in the Bible.

 

[MTMattie]

You did not give me what I asked for. Father is not a living creature. It's a name.

If...​

1.) Jesus is God.​

2.) Holy Spirit is God.​

3.) What's the third one___________​

And don't give me a name or a title and then say I'm blind. Give me the third God.​

YHWH

 

[MTMattie]

The holy spirit guided Gods real translation,
Dead sea scrolls are OT--
The divine name kjv came out 2015 putting Gods name back in the over 7000 places God willed it. Nearly 6800 OT and over 200 NT. Using these sources to verify it belongs
1)Scriptures by the institute for scriptural research
2)The Exegesis by Herb Jahn
3) New Englishman's Hebrew concordance by George V. Wigram

There has been much controversy by men through the centuries against Catholicism translating and false teachings.

Do not invoke KJV ... any translation... to me.

As to OT or New... the NWT does have the old as well....

 

[Keiw1]

Do not invoke KJV ... any translation... to me.

As to OT or New... the NWT does have the old as well....

Yes they do, a corrected OT from trinity translations--Example--I am that i am does not translate from Hebrew to English-i will be what i will be is correct.

 

[MTMattie]

Yes they do, a corrected OT from trinity translations--Example--I am that i am does not translate from Hebrew to English-i will be what i will be is correct.

So we have the Hebrew written as אני הוא מה שאני in Exodus 3:14

We have the Sefria/Torah Translation as....

Moses said to God, “When I come to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers’ [house] has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is [God’s] name?’ what shall I say to them?”



וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃
And God said to Moses, “Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh,” continuing, “Thus shall you say to the Israelites, ‘Ehyeh sent me to you.’”



וַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה כֹּֽה־תֹאמַר֮ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵאלֹהֵ֥י יַעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר׃
And God said further to Moses, “Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: יהוה, the God of your fathers’ [house]—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you:
This shall be My name forever,
This My appellation for all eternity.



לֵ֣ךְ וְאָֽסַפְתָּ֞ אֶת־זִקְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל וְאָמַרְתָּ֤ אֲלֵהֶם֙ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֤י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶם֙ נִרְאָ֣ה אֵלַ֔י אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם יִצְחָ֥ק וְיַעֲקֹ֖ב לֵאמֹ֑ר פָּקֹ֤ד פָּקַ֙דְתִּי֙ אֶתְכֶ֔ם וְאֶת־הֶעָשׂ֥וּי לָכֶ֖ם בְּמִצְרָֽיִם׃
“Go and assemble the elders of Israel and say to them: יהוה, the God of your fathers’ [house]—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—has appeared to me and said, ‘I have taken note of you and of what is being done to you in Egypt,

And we are told by WIKI "Ehyeh" is a Hebrew word that translates to "I am" or "I will be." It is used in the Bible, particularly in Exodus 3:14, where God reveals His name to Moses.

So you are partially correct .... as far as you go.....either is correct..........................

So is

"I Am that I Am" is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎ (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye; pronounced [ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who (I) am", "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am", "I will be what I will be", "I create what(ever) I create", or "I am the Existing One".

So if NWT is using I will be it is incomplete and still a not trustworthy source.

Next example.

 

[MTMattie]

YHWH

@Peterlag
Further correction....

In Exodus Torah 3 God said to Moses..... to go tell them ...." Ehyeh sent me to you."

SO FROM GODs MOUTH... Ehyeh should be it.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag
Further correction....

In Exodus Torah 3 God said to Moses..... to go tell them ...." Ehyeh sent me to you."

SO FROM GODs MOUTH... Ehyeh should be it.

Names are not living creatures. Names are titles and they are not living things. The devil got you to believe this nonsense without you even thinking it through.

 

[mikesw]

Names are not living creatures. Names are titles and they are not living things. The devil got you to believe this nonsense without you even thinking it through.

Maybe you can clarify what you mean. I recognize that is a tall order.
Are you saying Peterlag is not a living creature due to some disconnect from what someone calls you -- as if you would not respond to someone yelling "peterlag" while chasing you down the hall? (Replace "peterlag" with your real name if that is necessary to make the idea properly fit who you are.)
So far it seems like your tactic is like Bill Clinton saying "it depends what the meaning of 'is' is"

 

[MTMattie]

Names are not living creatures. Names are titles and they are not living things. The devil got you to believe this nonsense without you even thinking it through.

The name of Jesus was not a living creature? HUH? The name of Jesus is a title and not a living thing? Silly rabbit... I bet you dont think Trix are for kids either.

The devil got me thinking this nonsense?... then the devil inspired much of the bible.....

And dont call him the devil... title.

Dont call him Satan... title.

Call him by what God originally did. Lucifer.

You know @Peterlag... this is one of those times that I do believe you spout nonsense just to hear your self think or to build up your thread count.

You made statements here that are totally silly and superfluous , and for what reason?

I cannot even guess at that one.

 

[Peterlag]

The name of Jesus was not a living creature? HUH? The name of Jesus is a title and not a living thing? Silly rabbit... I bet you dont think Trix are for kids either.

The devil got me thinking this nonsense?... then the devil inspired much of the bible.....

And dont call him the devil... title.

Dont call him Satan... title.

Call him by what God originally did. Lucifer.

You know @Peterlag... this is one of those times that I do believe you spout nonsense just to hear your self think or to build up your thread count.

You made statements here that are totally silly and superfluous , and for what reason?

I cannot even guess at that one.

 

[mikesw]

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Silly of Peterlag to post this. He does not even begin to debate anything. When there are facts he does not like, he shifts to posting lists of points by scholars taken out of context.

 

[Keiw1]

So we have the Hebrew written as אני הוא מה שאני in Exodus 3:14

We have the Sefria/Torah Translation as....

Moses said to God, “When I come to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers’ [house] has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is [God’s] name?’ what shall I say to them?”



וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃
And God said to Moses, “Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh,” continuing, “Thus shall you say to the Israelites, ‘Ehyeh sent me to you.’”



וַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה כֹּֽה־תֹאמַר֮ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵאלֹהֵ֥י יַעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר׃
And God said further to Moses, “Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: יהוה, the God of your fathers’ [house]—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you:
This shall be My name forever,
This My appellation for all eternity.



לֵ֣ךְ וְאָֽסַפְתָּ֞ אֶת־זִקְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל וְאָמַרְתָּ֤ אֲלֵהֶם֙ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֤י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶם֙ נִרְאָ֣ה אֵלַ֔י אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם יִצְחָ֥ק וְיַעֲקֹ֖ב לֵאמֹ֑ר פָּקֹ֤ד פָּקַ֙דְתִּי֙ אֶתְכֶ֔ם וְאֶת־הֶעָשׂ֥וּי לָכֶ֖ם בְּמִצְרָֽיִם׃
“Go and assemble the elders of Israel and say to them: יהוה, the God of your fathers’ [house]—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—has appeared to me and said, ‘I have taken note of you and of what is being done to you in Egypt,

And we are told by WIKI "Ehyeh" is a Hebrew word that translates to "I am" or "I will be." It is used in the Bible, particularly in Exodus 3:14, where God reveals His name to Moses.

So you are partially correct .... as far as you go.....either is correct..........................

So is

"I Am that I Am" is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎ (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye; pronounced [ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who (I) am", "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am", "I will be what I will be", "I create what(ever) I create", or "I am the Existing One".

So if NWT is using I will be it is incomplete and still a not trustworthy source.

Next example.

The Hebrew scholars say no it does not translate-i am.
Wiki is assuredly quoting error trinity thinking.

 

[MTMattie]

The Hebrew scholars say no it does not translate-i am.
Wiki is assuredly quoting error trinity thinking.

I disagree