The Trinity and the Incarnation

[praise_yeshua]

I like to let the Word do the teaching.

26 God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth.

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them. [Col. 3:9, 10; James 3:8, 9.]

When You send forth Your Spirit and give them breath, they are created, and You replenish the face of the ground. Ps 104:30.

[But] in the last of these days He has spoken to us in [the person of a] Son, Whom He appointed Heir and lawful Owner of all things, also by and through Whom He created the worlds and the reaches of space and the ages of time [He made, produced, built, operated, and arranged them in order]. Heb 1:2.

By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word [Jesus] of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible. Heb 11:3.

9 Do not lie to one another, for you have stripped off the old (unregenerate) self with its evil practices,
10 And have clothed yourselves with the new [spiritual self], which is [ever in the process of being] renewed and remolded into [fuller and more perfect knowledge upon] knowledge after the image (the likeness) of Him Who created it. Col 3:9–10.

Define image and likeness.

A tad pole doesn't look like a frog.

Think...ἀλλάσσω and the English word metamorphosis.

I believe every word you posted but you can't simply reference those words and claim victory for your interpretation. Nobody can.

When you plant a seed, you're not planting what it is, you're planting what it shall become.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The name of Jesus was not a living creature? HUH? The name of Jesus is a title and not a living thing? Silly rabbit... I bet you dont think Trix are for kids either.

The devil got me thinking this nonsense?... then the devil inspired much of the bible.....

And dont call him the devil... title.

Dont call him Satan... title.

Call him by what God originally did. Lucifer.

You know @Peterlag... this is one of those times that I do believe you spout nonsense just to hear your self think or to build up your thread count.

You made statements here that are totally silly and superfluous , and for what reason?

I cannot even guess at that one.

His response tells you why...

He was looking to charge you with making insults. It happens over and over again with him.

That is what evil does today. Hide behind the words of people like Socrates.

I can deal with Socrates. He isn't "Socrates". Just another fake claiming Socrates would embrace him. Socrates would call him a fool.

 

[Bobby Walker]

The fellowship of the Trinity is a central aspect of Christian faith, emphasizing the unity and relationship among the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This fellowship is not just a theological concept but also a practical model for Christian unity and community.

The Trinity's unity is reflected in the actions and presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who work together in the world. Jesus, in His high priestly prayer, highlights this unity, praying for the glory of the Father in the presence of the Son, indicating the desire for believers to reflect this divine unity in their relationships with one another.

The Apostle Paul further elaborates on this theme in Ephesians 4:4-6, where he writes, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

This unity is not merely a theological abstraction but has profound implications for Christian life and community, serving as both a theological foundation and a practical model for Christian unity.
Ai

 

[mikesw]

One thing we should not do is add to what the Bible says. It doesn't mention God being defined as "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"

Did you notice verse 27 says God is a His and a He? Means He is a singular person. Elohim in this context doesn't refer to numerical plurality, hence God is referred to as a His and He and never a they or them in the entire Bible.

Begin there and we'll see about clearing up your other errors.

Indeed. A person must stick to the Unitarian Pocket Dictionary by Schoenheit if he or she wants to discuss the essence of God.

Sorry. I don't have the chapter and verse location for that right now.

 

[Runningman]

Indeed. A person must stick to the Unitarian Pocket Dictionary by Schoenheit if he or she wants to discuss the essence of God.

Sorry. I don't have the chapter and verse location for that right now.

So you agree that God is one person and elohim doesn't apply to numerical plurality when coupled with singular attributes. Finally you're starting to speak some sense. Welcome back to reality.

 

[mikesw]

So you agree that God is one person and elohim doesn't apply to numerical plurality when coupled with singular attributes. Finally you're starting to speak some sense. Welcome back to reality.

I do not agree that God is a person since this only happens when the Word becomes flesh.

I understand your confusion since you try to interpret things by denying who Jesus is.

 

[Runningman]

I do not agree that God is a person since this only happens when the Word becomes flesh.

I understand your confusion since you try to interpret things by denying who Jesus is.

So if God isn't a person, contrary to God explicitly being described as a person, you believe God is a thing or status?

 

[mikesw]

So if God isn't a person, contrary to God explicitly being described as a person, you believe God is a thing or status?

Maybe you have heard that God ultimately exists apart from creation -- of persons and things. This does not stop him from sending the Word to become flesh and walk among us in the incarnation as Jesus.

 

[Peterlag]

The fellowship of the Trinity is a central aspect of Christian faith, emphasizing the unity and relationship among the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This fellowship is not just a theological concept but also a practical model for Christian unity and community.

The Trinity's unity is reflected in the actions and presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who work together in the world. Jesus, in His high priestly prayer, highlights this unity, praying for the glory of the Father in the presence of the Son, indicating the desire for believers to reflect this divine unity in their relationships with one another.

The Apostle Paul further elaborates on this theme in Ephesians 4:4-6, where he writes, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

This unity is not merely a theological abstraction but has profound implications for Christian life and community, serving as both a theological foundation and a practical model for Christian unity.
Ai

I cannot find one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[mikesw]

I cannot find one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Right. that is the hyperliteralist failure. they cannot discern God because they expect God to be in their image instead of man being in God's image.

 

[Runningman]

Maybe you have heard that God ultimately exists apart from creation -- of persons and things. This does not stop him from sending the Word to become flesh and walk among us in the incarnation as Jesus.

It seems you think God is not a person. Then God is more like a force of nature in your opinion?

 

[Runningman]

Right. that is the hyperliteralist failure. they cannot discern God because they expect God to be in their image instead of man being in God's image.

"The Bible doesn't mean what it literally says is wrong because I said so" is hardly a valid argument and more akin to Internet foot stomping. Do better.

 

[mikesw]

"The Bible doesn't mean what it literally says is wrong because I said so" is hardly a valid argument and more akin to Internet foot stomping. Do better.

Your misunderstanding because you use some verses to automatically dismiss the divinity of Christ is not a valid argument. Your rejection of Joh 17:5 is a common reminder of neglecting scripture and rejecting passages that do not fit your view.

 

[Runningman]

Your misunderstanding because you use some verses to automatically dismiss the divinity of Christ is not a valid argument. Your rejection of Joh 17:5 is a common reminder of neglecting scripture and rejecting passages that do not fit your view.

"Don't believe what the Bible says, but rather interpret it in ways that my group decided is the correct way hundreds of years later." seems to be the way you view Scripture. Why do you not want to understand Scripture the way God and the authors do?

 

[Daniel]

"Don't believe what the Bible says, but rather interpret it in ways that my group decided is the correct way hundreds of years later." seems to be the way you view Scripture. Why do you not want to understand Scripture the way God and the authors do?

Like you do? Thats too funny. Have any more jokes?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The fellowship of the Trinity is a central aspect of Christian faith, emphasizing the unity and relationship among the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This fellowship is not just a theological concept but also a practical model for Christian unity and community.

The Trinity's unity is reflected in the actions and presence of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who work together in the world. Jesus, in His high priestly prayer, highlights this unity, praying for the glory of the Father in the presence of the Son, indicating the desire for believers to reflect this divine unity in their relationships with one another.

The Apostle Paul further elaborates on this theme in Ephesians 4:4-6, where he writes, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

This unity is not merely a theological abstraction but has profound implications for Christian life and community, serving as both a theological foundation and a practical model for Christian unity.
Ai

So man is impeccable in that same Unity?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I cannot find one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

You're not looking for one. You don't want to find it. Stop lying. You've written a book about it not existing. You are committed. There is no context were you will admit you're wrong.

 

[mikesw]

"Don't believe what the Bible says, but rather interpret it in ways that my group decided is the correct way hundreds of years later." seems to be the way you view Scripture. Why do you not want to understand Scripture the way God and the authors do?

you were just talking about your interpretation hundreds of years later and then you try to shift it over to me.

 

[Runningman]

you were just talking about your interpretation hundreds of years later and then you try to shift it over to me.

Unitarianism is thousands of years old. God told everyone He is one person known as YHWH. Read the Bible, you can't miss it.

 

[Keiw1]

I like to let the Word do the teaching.

26 God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth.

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them. [Col. 3:9, 10; James 3:8, 9.]

When You send forth Your Spirit and give them breath, they are created, and You replenish the face of the ground. Ps 104:30.

[But] in the last of these days He has spoken to us in [the person of a] Son, Whom He appointed Heir and lawful Owner of all things, also by and through Whom He created the worlds and the reaches of space and the ages of time [He made, produced, built, operated, and arranged them in order]. Heb 1:2.

By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word [Jesus] of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible. Heb 11:3.

9 Do not lie to one another, for you have stripped off the old (unregenerate) self with its evil practices,
10 And have clothed yourselves with the new [spiritual self], which is [ever in the process of being] renewed and remolded into [fuller and more perfect knowledge upon] knowledge after the image (the likeness) of Him Who created it. Col 3:9–10.

Glad to hear you attempt to let the word do the teaching.
Now on the matter of who created-you believe-US from Gen 1:26 created, but, At verse 27 it says-HE created. He is not an US. So what is the reality that the Word teaches= At Isaiah 44:24 it says God created by myself)= singular.
Reality one being created. So then who is the US? = Jehovah( creator) and his master worker( Proverbs 8:30)=The one who was beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of)= The being sent to Earth named Jesus a mortal= The one whom God created all other things -THROUGH- John 1:3-Coll 1:16. If done through = another did it=Jesus' God and Father YHVH(Jehovah)= The only one with power and wisdom to create= by myself. Jehovah( architect)-- (Jesus( builder). He gives 100% credit to HE at Prov 8:27-28) for creation.
The Hebrew word for possessed at Prov 8:22= created--created me( Jesus) as the beginning of your way( creating) = The firstborn of all creation( Coll 1:15)=Only begotten son= created direct, first and last), then all other things created-THROUGH- Gods master worker. Only begotten means-monogenes=unique.