But when the Almighty God the Father said to Jesus, "O God" can we apply your statement as " It should not need to say everything that he is not" Peterlag?
Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?
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Peterlag
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No, I don't want to see the word trinity in the Bible...
I want to see the trinity doctrine taught in the Bible and if it's not taught by the Jews and that means the Old Testament Prophets and not the unbelieving Jews you guys always throw in my face. And if it's not taught in the New Testament. Then it's not a biblical concept.
I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.
One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.
Terms found nowhere in Scripture...
I want to see the trinity doctrine taught in the Bible and if it's not taught by the Jews and that means the Old Testament Prophets and not the unbelieving Jews you guys always throw in my face. And if it's not taught in the New Testament. Then it's not a biblical concept.
I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.
One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.
Terms found nowhere in Scripture...
- Deity
- Co-equal
- Co-eternal
- Incarnated
- Eternal son
- Infinite son
- God the son
- One substance
- Persons of God
- God became man
- Eternally begotten
- Pre-existent Christ
- God the Holy Spirit
- Pre-incarnate Christ
- Three persons, three in one
- Trinity, Triune God, Tri-unity
- Two nature's, Hypostatic union
Yes, we also don't want to see the word unitarian in the Bible...
As I also want to see the word unitarian if such was also taught by the Jews.
But we can establish the presence of the three in the Old Testament.
Jesus had read this in His time. (Luke 4:18)
1. God,
2. Jesus
3. Spirit
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners;
Jesus acknowledged being the "Son of man" and "Son of God." (Mat 26:63,64)
Do this mean the Almighty God the Father's word unbelievable? (Heb 1:8,9,10)
Yes, if we are not baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit, we are not Christian.
As the word "Christian" mean follower of Christ, disobeying Christ is an unchristian behavior.
Christ as together with the Father in Mat 28:19 labelled in singular "name" made the Three in the same God's nature.
Yes, also one verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that state the word unitarian.
1. God the Father,
2. Jesus the "only begotten God,
3. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit, is to speak against God. He is separate and distinct person as He cannot forgive when blaspheme.
Yes, Jesus as "Son of man" and " Son of God." ( Mat 26:63,64)
Not by just someone but by the Almighty God the Father Himself. (Heb 1:8,9,10)
Also add, unitarianism.
Peterlag
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The spirit of the Lord is in me. Does that make 3 of me?
Peterlag
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There's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man.
A question I have asked many times and it's always ignored.
Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).
A question I have asked many times and it's always ignored.
Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).
Maybe you have not yet heard that Christians also see Jesus as a man. It is not just the novel unitarian beliefs that say that. If you say that God cannot accomplish what John 1 shares, your denial is very strong.
the basic reason that the preexisting One of John 1 came to earth is because the Israel people were trashing the prophets and continued in disbelief. But it was not only for Jews that Jesus came. He died for the sins of all humanity that would come to him for redemption. Some wish to side with those who reject the Son. I'm not sure if there is any assurance to give to unitarians in their disbelief.
You are not the Godhead Peterlag.
And of course we cannot be, because they have the nature of God that we can never have.
Peterlag
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Here's the bottom line...
I cannot find one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Such an important subject matter like the Trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.
Runningman
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Scriptures teaches that Jesus is distinct from God and that he isn't God. Real Christians don't believe what you do.
Runningman
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I am pretty sure he lives inside of of John 1:1 and doesn't leave. It's called Logos theology. There is literally one or two verses that try to make the rest of the Bible bow to even though the rest of the Bible makes no further mention of what their preferred translations of John 1 says.
Peterlag
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What cracks me up is that every day I'm told I do not believe the Bible because I do not believe John 1.
Peterlag
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An important subject matter like the Trinity should have been taught by someone. It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. Such an important subject matter like the Trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it. Not one verse anywhere that even suggests that we should believe of confess that Jesus is God. Not in the Old Testament, or the New Testament, or in any early Creeds, and not even in a Fortune Cookie.
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