The Trinity and the Incarnation

[MTMattie]

Which verse says God is compound?

Why the perfect, non erring Running man said that

Why do you think Jesus is member of a compound god?

Just replying to you in your own terms......,

 

[Fool4Christ]

If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham

 

[101G]

If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham

GINOLJC, to all,
100% correct. the key understanding this is in the Hebrew term H 259 ECHAD, and the in the Greek term G243 Allos.
Jesus the Christ is God in flesh. as said this is in the EQUAL SHARING of ONE-SELF in flesh.

101G.

 

[TomL]

If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham

Are you saying as 101G imagines they are the same person?

 

[Fool4Christ]

Are you saying as 101G imagines they are the same person?

I would never try to discern any of his mental images

 

[TomL]

I would never try to discern any of his mental images

I told you what he imagines and asking if you agree with it

 

[Aeliana]

Hello Aeliana:

I just wanted you to know that this article from the Blue Letter Bible by the late Don Stewart teaches the heresy of "kenoticism." I was reluctant to classify it as "functional" or "ontological," I mostly just want to refer to it as the heresy of "evangelical kenotic Christology" because it is a sort of cafeteria heresy...the average evangelical "scholar" just picks the things he likes from both "functional" and "ontological" heresy not even attempting to try to make sense. The kenotic heresy Stewart teaches is basically ubiquitous among evangelicals these days and the amazing thing is that most evangelicals who teach this heresy are unaware of it and believe they are actually teaching the historic Christian faith. This heretical Christology is also completely incompatible with the doctrine of the Trinity. If someone says something about "God's relative attributes" run...God has no such thing except in ontological kenotic (heretical) Christology. For example:



God does not have "relative" and "essential" attributes...God IS what God IS. And God IS always what God IS, otherwise God IS not God. God's attributes are not superpowers that he uses like Superman uses superhuman strength and x-ray vision. God IS what we call the divine attributes, this IS what God IS, this is how God exists, these are not powers that are "used." God IS all knowing (omniscient), all powerful (omnipotent), everywhere present (omnipresent). The first ontological kenotocist, Gottfried Thomasius, tried to put forth a distinction in what he called the "relative" and "essential" attributes of God saying that the "omni" attributes were relative to man and that God did not need them to be God. Thus he attempted to change the nature of God without changing the nature of God (no one was fooled...except apparently evangelicals in the 20th century). The KJV, NKJV, MKJV, all translate the word "kenoo" (from Phil. 2.7, this is where all the "kenosis" stuff comes from) as: that is, (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify: - make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain.--(Strongs G2758) This is the correct translation in this passage.

Phil. 2:5 -8 does not say the Son "gave up" anything, quite the contrary, it does say he continued to be God but made Himself of no reputation by taking the form of a servant and beginning to exist as a human...and "being found in fashion as a man." I don't know if you are aware of this so I wanted to point it out to you and to anyone else who may have read the article.

TheLayman

Found This and it looks like good info.

What is kenoticism / kenotic theology? | GotQuestions.org

What is kenoticism / kenotic theology? In what ways is kenoticis an incorrect understanding of the kenosis of Christ?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Keiw1]

If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

“If Jesus Christ is not true God, how could he help us? If he is not true man, how could he help us?” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, and the story of His life, death, and resurrection is the only Good News the world will ever hear.” Billy Graham

100% reality= Jesus has a God just like we do-Psalm 45:7( before earth) John 20:17( on Earth) Rev 3:12( back in heaven)--100% reality= God does not have a God.

 

[DavidTree]

100% reality= Jesus has a God just like we do-Psalm 45:7( before earth) John 20:17( on Earth) Rev 3:12( back in heaven)--100% reality= God does not have a God.

100% Reality = jw false doctrine is pure EVIL = same as the Roman Catholic Church = BFF

And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.

jw satanic doctrine from NWT John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

In fact, you do have a god = but not the True Living Elohim Who is FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

 

[Keiw1]

100% Reality = jw false doctrine is pure EVIL = same as the Roman Catholic Church = BFF

And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.

jw satanic doctrine from NWT John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

In fact, you do have a god = but not the True Living Elohim Who is FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

The JW,s are the only religion on earth that is lead by Jesus, thus you called Jesus evil and satanic--Are these your brothers-Matt 12:24--they thought they were Gods chosen as well, to this day they believe they are.
20 translations in history has a god at John 1:1)))-3 has was divine, 1 had was godlike. All by Greek scholars how do you explain that?
Elohim translates-the supreme one for the true living God in the Hebrew language, nothing plural whatsoever.
You listen to teachers of darkness=branched off Catholicism from using their translating. Your translations are altered and have errors to fit false council teachings. Satan beat the majority living now centuries ago, thus they don't have a clue.

 

[Peterlag]

Found This and it looks good like info.

What is kenoticism / kenotic theology? | GotQuestions.org

What is kenoticism / kenotic theology? In what ways is kenoticis an incorrect understanding of the kenosis of Christ?

www.gotquestions.org

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

 

[Peterlag]

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

 

[DavidTree]

The JW,s are the only religion on earth that is lead by Jesus, thus you called Jesus evil and satanic--Are these your brothers-Matt 12:24--they thought they were Gods chosen as well, to this day they believe they are.
20 translations in history has a god at John 1:1)))-3 has was divine, 1 had was godlike. All by Greek scholars how do you explain that?
Elohim translates-the supreme one for the true living God in the Hebrew language, nothing plural whatsoever.
You listen to teachers of darkness=branched off Catholicism from using their translating. Your translations are altered and have errors to fit false council teachings. Satan beat the majority living now centuries ago, thus they don't have a clue.

#1 Undeniable Evidence that you do not follow the Lord Jesus Christ

jw satanic doctrine from NWT John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

The LORD Jesus Christ is the Word that was in the Beginning with His FATHER and the Holy Spirit = Echad Elohim