Salvation by Grace through Faith

[Studyman]

It's called eisegesis - the process of interpreting a text, (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas, presuppositions, or biases. It involves reading something into the text that is not explicitly there.

Yes, this is a very widespread problem with the religious system of this world which promotes deceptions, or as Jesus called them, "Leaven" to those who adopt the various interpretations of Scripture, which changes according to the religious sect or business of this world promoting it. The most common manifestation of this popular religious practice is shown by selecting only specific verses that can be used or twisted to promote "one's own ideas, presuppositions, or biases" and separating them from the rest of the Holy scriptures. The religious sect of the Pharisees partook in this practice, according to the Jesus "of the bible".

Another is like it, but more popular, and that is to quote part of a passage, but omit the full message.

An example would be like giving directions.

"Go two miles to the river bridge and turn left on Palmer Road and go to the end of the road".

But what gets delivered is: "Go two miles to the river bridge". As a result, the intended destination is not reached.

A perfect example of this is your post above.

Ephesians 2:8 For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; 9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.] (AMPC)

This short sermon was preached by you to promote your "own ideas, presuppositions, or biases" against many of God's Judgments, Statutes and Commandments that the religious business or sect of this world you have adopted has rejected. To do this, you must omit the very next verse. And not just you, but "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. So please, I'm not picking on you, just pointing out what I have seen since "Coming out of her". Look what happens to the message when just one more verse, the actual intended conclusion of the message as anyone can clearly see if they want to, is included for our study and examination.


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that (Grace) not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of (MAN's) works, lest "any man" should boast. (God's Grace exists apart from anything any man can do, lest he should boast as say, "My Ways" brought Grace unto men.)

Here is the part you left off.

10 For we (Those who have "Yielded themselves" unto God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God) are (now) his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus "unto good works", which "God" (Not any man or religious sect) hath "before ordained" that we (Those who have "Yielded themselves" unto God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God) should "walk in them".

And where did Paul say these "Good Works" God before ordained that he and the Body of Christ, Jew and Gentile, should walk in them, are found?

2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, "and is profitable" for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And what is the purpose of these Inspired scriptures?

17 That the "man of God"(Those who have "Yielded themselves" unto God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God) may be perfect, (As the Jesus "of the Bible", and His Father instructed) "throughly furnished" unto all "good works".

This is Paul teaching from the onset.

Rom. 2: 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man "according to his deeds": (Works)

7 To them who by patient continuance "in well doing" seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Therefore, if I walk in the "Good Works" that GOD Before Ordained in the Holy scriptures that (Those who have "Yielded themselves unto God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God) should walk in, I'm not walking in "my" Works, "lest I should boast", but Christ's Works within me, since HE is the Head of (Those who have "Yielded themselves" unto God, and their body as instruments of righteousness unto God) AKA, the Body of Christ.

So as you can see, the message Paul promotes in Eph. 2 is completely different when we don't listen to men, "Who call Jesus Lord, Lord" but who engage in "the process of interpreting a text, (as of the Bible) by reading into it his own ideas, presuppositions, or biases, that involves reading something into the text that is not explicitly there", by omitting important parts of the message.

 

[Studyman]

When Jesus showed this practice of the mainstream God of Abraham Preachers of His Time, the Pharisees, most of them took offence. Even though HE was telling the Gospel Truth, they got mad at Him and Hated Him. Consequently, they responded in the exact same way to the Prophets God sent to them before Jesus.

As a result, they didn't change their ways, but continued to promote their "own ideas, presuppositions, or biases" into their teaching of the Text, causing those who listened to them to be led astray. For those seeking God's truth, this same thing can be seen in the Garden of Eden where Eve was convinced, "by a voice other than God", to inject her "own ideas, presuppositions, or biases" into what God had told her.


"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat".

We see this same thing played out, and warned against over and over and over in the Holy Scriptures.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that "walketh after the imagination of his own heart", No evil shall come upon you.

Jer. 50: 6 My people hath been lost sheep: their "shepherds" have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been "partial in the law".

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come "in my name", saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

2 Cor. 11: 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, "they may be found even as we". 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves "into the apostles of Christ".

What I advocate for, is that men separate themselves from this world's religious system, or as Paul calls it in Eph. 2, "The course of this world". That men "come out of her" and trust in the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible" and "Live by" Every Word of God, as opposed to living in the doctrines, high days, judgments and traditions of this world's religious sects and businesses whose philosophies cause those who adopt them to, as the mainstream religion of Jesus Time lived, "Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition".

It is truly a path less traveled, but one EVERY example of Faithful man in the Bible walked, including the perfect Man, the Lord's Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

WEBest writes:

Most religionists believe justification is God’s reward for a human performance of faith. Hence, they believe justification before God is on the basis of their faith. Neither faith nor works justify one before God.Exhorting a person to make a decision for Jesus Christ and be saved is erroneous. The decision is God’s, not man’s. Justification is not a reward for the human performance of faith. One is not justified by making a decision for Christ.

Justification Before God Not by Faith by W.E.Best.pdf

 

[Jim]

See how this use ignores how the passage flows.

He wants to push his view so bad, he will ignore the plainly worded scripture

in eph 1 13. it says we must hear.. then it says we believe, then it says we are given the HS.

remember, The poster thinks we are born again of the spirit first (regenerated). Then we believe

Given the truly ridiculous doctrine of Total Depravity that he hangs onto, there is no other way to salvation for him. Sad, truly sad.

 

[JLB]

Eph 2:8-10

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Is Salvation by Grace through Faith here speaking of the Eternal phase of Salvation ? I dont believe so, Faith, Believing, nt anything a person does is necessary for the Eternal aspect of Salvation, for that is grounded in the Eternal Purpose of God in Christ Jesus before the world began. Grace was given the Elect for their Salvation before the world began 2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Man isnt eternally saved from their sins when they are brought to Faith in Christ.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


Only those who obey the Gospel are saved.


But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16

 

[civic]

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


Only those who obey the Gospel are saved.


But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” Romans 10:16

in his soteriology- God does everything and he does nothing- faith without works, no fruit , no obedience, no loving God with all ones heart, mind , body, soul and your neighbor, no faith or faithfulness. No new birth, no gospel message necessary. Born a sheep from eternity past. Saved before he was ever a human being. Thats it in a nutshell.

 

[JLB]

Born a sheep from eternity past.

Please share the scripture that teaches us we were born a sheep.


Jesus taught we must be born again; born of the Spirit.


If we are to be born “again”, then obviously we must be born first of natural birth, then after natural birth we must be born again; born of the Spirit.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6

• That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
  

So we see salvation takes place during the lifetime of a person, after they are born ofthe flesh and believe in Christ.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Salvation occurs when we believe.

 

[civic]

Please share the scripture that teaches us we were born a sheep.


Jesus taught we must be born again; born of the Spirit.


If we are to be born “again”, then obviously we must be born first of natural birth, then after natural birth we must be born again; born of the Spirit.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6

• That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

So we see salvation takes place during the lifetime of a person, after they are born ofthe flesh and believe in Christ.


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Salvation occurs when we believe.

It’s what @brightfame52 believes not me

 

[brightfame52]

@JLB

Only those who obey the Gospel are saved.

Only the saved can obey, men lost are chldren of disobedience by nature

 

[Studyman]

@JLB



Only the saved can obey, men lost are chldren of disobedience by nature

One of the most evil philosophies promoted be this worlds religious system, is the teaching that implies God and His Son are liars, and that men are not judged according to their works.

That salvation for man is based on some invisible "Holy Lottery" where God picks random names from a hat and chooses saved and unsaved based on nothing a man does.

To support this wicked philosophy that Many, who call Jesus Lord, Lord promote, they must deny the Words of God throughout the Holy Scriptures that tell men to deny themselves and turn to God, claiming that only those whose name God randomly drew from His hat are allowed by Him to turn to Him. All others are lost. And amazingly, every Calvinist has been chosen.

It's a seductive philosophy for the Calvinist who believe they hit the salvation lotto. But even a child can read Scripture and see it's a false teaching.

 

[Selah]

Where does the ability to hear come from ?

Hello, brightfame. If I say that the ability comes from the Holy Spirit, what would your next question be?

 

[brightfame52]

One of the most evil philosophies promoted be this worlds religious system, is the teaching that implies God and His Son are liars, and that men are not judged according to their works.

That salvation for man is based on some invisible "Holy Lottery" where God picks random names from a hat and chooses saved and unsaved based on nothing a man does.

To support this wicked philosophy that Many, who call Jesus Lord, Lord promote, they must deny the Words of God throughout the Holy Scriptures that tell men to deny themselves and turn to God, claiming that only those whose name God randomly drew from His hat are allowed by Him to turn to Him. All others are lost. And amazingly, every Calvinist has been chosen.

It's a seductive philosophy for the Calvinist who believe they hit the salvation lotto. But even a child can read Scripture and see it's a false teaching.

Only the saved can obey, men lost are chidden of disobedience by nature. Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Darkness cant obey the Light

 

[brightfame52]

Hello, brightfame. If I say that the ability comes from the Holy Spirit, what would your next question be?

I wouldnt have a next question. The bility to hear does come from the Spirit, the New Birth Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[Selah]

I wouldnt have a next question. The bility to hear does come from the Spirit, the New Birth Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

As in an Elect person? As in a predestined person?
Romans 8:29-30 (NKJV) 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

 

[brightfame52]

As in an Elect person? As in a predestined person?
Romans 8:29-30 (NKJV) 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Whats your point

 

[Selah]

Whats your point

…that those that God chose (the Elect), He predestined them to be saved.

 

[Selah]

Ephesians 1:1-6 (NKJV) 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

 

[Selah]

And:
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 (NKJV) 13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[JLB]

@JLB



Only the saved can obey, men lost are chldren of disobedience by nature

Only those who obey the Gospel will become saved.

No one is saved apart from believing and therefore obeying the Gospel.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation… But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?”
Romans 10:9-10,16

 

[brightfame52]

Only those who obey the Gospel will become saved.

No one is saved apart from believing and therefore obeying the Gospel.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation… But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?”
Romans 10:9-10,16

Only the saved can obey, men lost are children of disobedience by nature.. When men are regenerated by the Spirit, then the laws of God are in their minds and heart to obey Heb 8:10

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: