Salvation by Grace through Faith

[brightfame52]

nope he who has ears to hear let him hear. Jesus own words.

seeing and hearing are a universal ability given to all. the only exception are those who are born blind or deaf.

next fallacy

Where does the hearing come from ?

 

[civic]

You dont have a clue friend of what Im saying

you don't have a clue what Paul said in Ephesians 2:8.

 

[civic]

Where does the hearing come from ?

Were you born with 2 ears to hear ? yes or no

Were you born deaf ? yes or no

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You dont have a clue friend of what Im saying

thats so far from truth, I do not think we can touch it if we had a jet and could fly to where it is. it is out of reach

 

[brightfame52]

you don't have a clue what Paul said in Ephesians 2:8.

Still you havent a clue

 

[brightfame52]

Were you born with 2 ears to hear ? yes or no

Were you born deaf ? yes or no

Where does hearing come from ? Where does Jesus say hearing comes from Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[civic]

Where does hearing come from ? Where does Jesus say hearing comes from Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Nice dodge of the question which speaks volumes about your refusal to deal with reality

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Nice dodge of the question which speaks volumes about your refusal to deal with reality

eph 1: 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

notice the process

1. We hear the word
2. We believe the word
3. We are given the holy spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

eph 1: 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

notice the process

1. We hear the word
2. We believe the word
3. We are given the holy spirit.

Eph 1:13 is strictly in regards to the election of Grace Eph 1:4-6

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Eph 1:13 is strictly in regards to the election of Grace Eph 1:4-6

for the benefit of others (this guy will never hear)

the election of grace is recieved by grace through faith (eph 2)

 

[brightfame52]

for the benefit of others (this guy will never hear)

the election of grace is recieved by grace through faith (eph 2)

Eph 1:13 is connected to and about them in Eph 1:4 the election of Grace, salvation is exclusively for them, and so only they are able to hear spiritually the Gospel of their salvation

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Eph 1:13 is connected to and about them in Eph 1:4 the election of Grace, salvation is exclusively for them, and so only they are able to hear spiritually the Gospel of their salvation

eph 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 ;having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

Eph 1: 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

eph 2: 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 ;For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

one message. People need to realize. Ephesians was not written in verse or chapter separations. it was one letter.

the message\

1. He has blessed US with every spiritual blessing
2. HE CHOSE US before the foundation to be conformed to his image
3. He Predestined us to be adoped
4. He made us accepted. By his grace
5. we are those ho hear the word. then in faith believe the word. and are given the spirit as a seal
6.We are the one who was dead in tresspasses and sins, who he made alive (by grace we were saved or made acceptable to him.)
7. We were made accepted. saved, adopted by Grace through faith. Not of works lest we should boast.

 

[brightfame52]

eph 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 ;having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

Eph 1: 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

eph 2: 2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 ;For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

one message. People need to realize. Ephesians was not written in verse or chapter separations. it was one letter.

the message\

1. He has blessed US with every spiritual blessing
2. HE CHOSE US before the foundation to be conformed to his image
3. He Predestined us to be adoped
4. He made us accepted. By his grace
5. we are those ho hear the word. then in faith believe the word. and are given the spirit as a seal
6.We are the one who was dead in tresspasses and sins, who he made alive (by grace we were saved or made acceptable to him.)
7. We were made accepted. saved, adopted by Grace through faith. Not of works lest we should boast.

Eph 1:13 is soley about the elect, them chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Eph 1:13 is soley about the elect, them chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

See how this use ignores how the passage flows.

He wants to push his view so bad, he will ignore the plainly worded scripture

in eph 1 13. it says we must hear.. then it says we believe, then it says we are given the HS.

remember, The poster thinks we are born again of the spirit first (regenerated). Then we believe

 

[brightfame52]

See how this use ignores how the passage flows.

He wants to push his view so bad, he will ignore the plainly worded scripture

in eph 1 13. it says we must hear.. then it says we believe, then it says we are given the HS.

remember, The poster thinks we are born again of the spirit first (regenerated). Then we believe

Eph 1:13 is soley about the elect, them chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

And yes one is saved by regeneration before they hear the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13 then after they believe, the Spirit seals them in the truth

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is the Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The opposers of Salvation by Grace hijack and argue that Faith here according to greek grammar isn't the Gift of God, but that's not true.

Here are some greek expositors commenting of Eph 2:8

For by grace, &c.] The connexion of thought (“for”) is with the leading truth of Ephesians 2:4-7; the gratuitous “loving-kindness of the Lord” in the salvation of the Church. This, we have just read, will be the great future lesson of that salvation to the intelligent Universe; and this accordingly is re-stated here.

This important ver., and Ephesians 2:9, are rendered lit., For by grace ye have been saved, by means of faith; and that, not of you—God’s is the gift; not of works, that no one should boast. Here the main teaching is clear in itself, and clearer than ever as illustrated by e. g. Romans 3; Philippians 3. The salvation of the soul, and of the Church, is essentially and entirely a matter of sovereign Divine mercy in purpose and accomplishment. It is deliberately meant that no exception or reserve is to be made to that statement. But in detail, the verse presents a problem. Does it distinctly state that “faith” is the “gift of God,” or does it state, more generally, that “gratuitous salvation” is the “gift of God,” leaving it open whether the faith which accepts it is His gift or not? The question is largely occasioned by the construction of the Greek, in which “that” (neuter) does not agree with “faith” (feminine).—Many great expositors, Calvin at the head of them, accordingly take “that” to refer to the main previous idea, and “through faith” to be a separate inserted thought. Alford, who takes this view, states the case for it briefly and well. Nevertheless we recommend the other explanation, and for the following simple reason: the phrase “and that” (lit., “and this”) is familiar in N.T. Greek to introduce an addition of thought, enforcing or heightening what has gone before. See 1 Corinthians 6:6; 1 Corinthians 6:8; “and that before the unbelievers;” “and that, your brethren;” Php 1:28; Hebrews 11:12, (A.V., “and him, &c.”). But if it here refers only to the general previous idea, gratuitous salvation, it is hard to see what new force of thought it adds to the words “by grace.” If on the other hand it refers to the last special statement, “through faith,” there is a real additional point in the assertion that even the act of believing is a gift of God; for thus precisely the one link in the process where the man might have thought he acted alone, and where therefore, in St Paul’s sense, he might claim to “boast,” is claimed for God. Let the clauses, “and that, not of you; God’s is the gift,” be taken as a parenthesis, and the point of the interpretation will be clear; while the Greek amply admits the arrangement.

That “faith” is a matter of Divine gift is clear from e. g. 2 Corinthians 4:13; Php 1:29. Not that a new faculty of trust is implanted, but gracious manifestations—of the soul’s need and the Saviour’s glory—prevail upon the will to choose to repose trust in the right Object. The “gift” of faith is but one phase of the Divine action which (Php 2:13) “worketh in us to will.” And it may be said to be one aspect of the “gift of repentance” (Acts 5:31; 2 Timothy 2:25), for repentance is no mere preliminary to faith; it is the whole complex “change of mind” which includes faith. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ephesians/2-8.htm

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

 

[brightfame52]

Bengel's Gnomen

Ephesians 2:8. Τῃ—χάριτι) τῇ has a relative meaning, in reference to Ephesians 2:5, χάριτι.—γὰρ, for) He does not say, therefore, but for, because he concludes [infers] from the effect to the cause.—διὰ τῆς πίστεως, by faith) which arises from the resurrection of Christ, chap. Ephesians 1:19,[23] [whence it is not at all mentioned in Ephesians 2:5, but for the first time in Ephesians 2:8. See Colossians 2:12.—V. g.] The antithesis is, not of works; an antithesis of the same kind as that between grace and boasting [“lest any man should boast”].—καὶ τοῦτο) and this, namely, believing, or faith, is not of yourselves. The antithesis is: this is the gift of God alone.

[23] Which passage implies, not merely that faith believes in Christ’s resurrection, but that also it is the same Spirit, which raised Jesus, which raises the spiritually dead and creates in them faith. Comp. “the power of the resurrection,” Php 3:10.—ED.