Eternal Security

I believe the Thread is about eternal security. As most threats do it has gotten a bit sidetracked. The easy way to look at it is once you belong to Jesus he will never let you go. He'll leave the 99 to go get that one last lamb. The parable of the Prodigal son. The point is a believer can leave or fall away but when they come to their senses... which God causes to happen they realize they would be better being a slave at their father's house. In other words salvation is a work of God from start to finish. When you start changing it up and adding conditions you're preaching a different gospel. The most common one being the works based salvation. That you have to keep earning your salvation.

If you look at the parable of the Prodigal Son who is the one that was most out of line? That would be the older son. He was upset because his father treated him well and still loved him after Being humiliated by what this younger son pulled.

I see that as a parallel to people that are against eternal security. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and on these boards no one likes to back down so it is what it is. People get kind of upset when they can't get others to see things their way.

I've noticed you're pretty level-headed so I pay attention to what you post.

"I've noticed you're pretty level-headed so I pay attention to what you post."

Well, thank you my friend for those kind words ... not really sure that you're aware that most everyone else out there appears to disagree with you [perhaps you are one of the few exceptions to the rule]. Or, perhaps you are mistaking me for someone else ... that is, unless you're aware that I come closest to being classified under the soteriological title of, "OSAS [Molinist] Arminian." And, because there's not many of us out there, we're certainly considered the minority position in the world of soteriology.

In my experience, I've noticed that there are so many out there who have such a limited or skewed understanding of the principles of Molinism, that their tendency is to reject it's validity without even seriously considering it's actual claims.

The grim reality is that the truth claims of us OSAS [Molinist] Arminians are still rejected by the majority of Arminians and Calvinists alike [although it's advocates have steadily been increasing over the past couple of decades]. The tendency in people, for the most part, is to reject any type of new perspective that they encounter ... to them, "new" necessarily equals "faulty" ... the possibility of their "old" position equaling "faulty" appears to rarely [if ever] enter their minds ... sigh.
 
…Since salvation is a gift of God, there's nothing that we do to earn it,
Correct, by grace we are saved, through faith.
Do you think there's anything we could do to lose it?
Stop believing. Renounce the teachings of Christ.
Would God take back a gift that he has freely given?
God doesn’t take back, but we can throw it away through deliberate sin. (Heb 10:26-30, Rom 8:12-13)

Know this, God’s grace toward you did not stop with forgiveness. His grace will continue to be poured out on you forever! That was His purpose from the very beginning.
You’re assuming that grace is irresistible.

…God’s love goes beyond pity. He did not save us just to keep us out of hell.
I agree completely!

He saved us to guarantee an eternal relationship with us, a relationship in which we would continue to be the recipients of His kindness.
Yes, God’s focus is an eternal one. But it is also a relational one, and relationships are not one sided affairs! Relationships take both parities to be faithful to their part of the covenant: God promises to grant eternal life (God’s part) if we believe in Christ (Our part).
(Believing, means active belief, which is evidenced by our actions (our walk) being ever increasing consistent with Christ. 2 Pet 1:5-11)

A question: “Do you believe you have the power to block the purposes of God?”
That depends on what his purposes are! If God’s purpose is to extend the offer of salvation to all men and allow them to “seek him, and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not very far from any one of us.” (Acts 17:27)

Grace is not irresistible! God “desires all to come to repentance”, but like Israel we can refuse his grace, “though he holds his hands out to us all day long” (Rom 10:21)


Once God has made up His mind He is going to do something, do you think you have the power to throw a wrench into the works and foul things up?
The only way that this can happen is if we are given the power to say no! God gives us this power!

To believe that a man or woman can lose his or her salvation is to believe that a human being can frustrate the eternal purpose of God. Good luck with that one!

Again, you are assuming that God hasn’t allowed us the right to say no!
God has plans for all of us who were dead in our trespasses and sins and have been made alive with Christ. To hold to a theology in which man can do something that throws him back into a state of spiritual deadness, thus denying God His predetermined purpose, is to embrace a system in which man is in the driver’s seat and God is just a passenger.
Again, you assume what God’s predetermined purpose is as a proof for its validity.


One final thought, is that we Can not undo what God has already done. We're just not that powerful.
More presupposing a predetermined occurrence of “whatsoever comes to pass”!


Doug
 
More discussion is a lot different than going back over everything again. The definition I posted works for me.
If you start in St. Louis trying to get to New York, but you first go west for a hundred miles, then you have to cover that hundred miles again in the right direction before you can make proper progress towards the destination.
If that definition works for you, then it explains why you have a wrong understanding of how God's grace is received.
 
No believe in Jesus Christ means you're saved. Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. We're all going to sin at some time during our walk with Jesus. So just believe alone isn't going to make you obedient because we all fall short of the glory of God.

Of course I would imagine you could always add sinless perfection too works salvation. I'd like to see that one play out.
What do you mean by the term "works salvarion"?

The Bible clearly teaches obedience to God's will is how men are saved (Rom 6:16; Heb 5:9; Acts 2:38; etc) for no verse teaches those who live in disobedience to God's will will be saved.
 
“The truth of eternal security is inherent in the nature of salvation itself.” Lewis Sperry Chafer

Eternal security is the present possession of eternal life. In other words, from the point of salvation, it is the irrevocable and unfailing condition of eternal life guaranteed the true believer in Christ.

If salvation can be lost, it is vital that Christians not be given a false sense of security. If salvation is secure, it is vital that Christians not anguish over a nonexistent possibility.

If salvation is truly by grace, I think there can be only one possible resolution to the issue. Because of God's grace we are eternally secure.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace (the undeserved favor and mercy) of the Lord Jesus, just as they [are].

When does grace stop being grace after we are saved? Does that mean after we are saved it's no longer grace but works? So we are saved by grace but kept by works.

Romans 3:24
[All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,

Romans 4:6
Therefore, [inheriting] the promise is the outcome of faith and depends [entirely] on faith, in order that it might be given as an act of grace (unmerited favor), to make it stable and valid and guaranteed to all his descendants—not only to the devotees and adherents of the Law, but also to those who share the faith of Abraham, who is [thus] the father of us all.

Romans 11:5–6
So too at the present time there is a remnant (a small believing minority), selected (chosen) by grace (by God’s unmerited favor and graciousness).
6 But if it is by grace (His unmerited favor and graciousness), it is no longer conditioned on works or anything men have done. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace [it would be meaningless].

Galatians 2:21
[Therefore, I do not treat God’s gracious gift as something of minor importance and defeat its very purpose]; I do not set aside and invalidate and frustrate and nullify the grace (unmerited favor) of God. For if justification (righteousness, acquittal from guilt) comes through [observing the ritual of] the Law, then Christ (the Messiah) died groundlessly and to no purpose and in vain. [His death was then wholly superfluous.]


Ephesians 2:5–6
Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation).
6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

Astonishing as it may sound, Christians are united with Jesus Christ in His resurrected life. Physically, we still live in the natural world. But God, by His great power, and because of His immense love, mercy, and grace, raised us from our spiritually dead status to new life in Christ. We now sit in heavenly places. God's going to make sure we don't lose our position. We are eternally secure.

2 Timothy 1:9–10
[For it is He] Who delivered and saved us and called us with a calling in itself holy and leading to holiness [to a life of consecration, a vocation of holiness]; [He did it] not because of anything of merit that we have done, but because of and to further His own purpose and grace (unmerited favor) which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began [eternal ages ago].
[It is that purpose and grace] which He now has made known and has fully disclosed and made real [to us] through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, Who annulled death and made it of no effect and brought life and immortality (immunity from eternal death) to light through the Gospel.

Hebrews 6:13-20
13 For when God made [His] promise to Abraham, He swore by Himself, since He had no one greater by whom to swear,
14 Saying, Blessing I certainly will bless you and multiplying I will multiply you.
15 And so it was that he [Abraham], having waited long and endured patiently, realized and obtained [in the birth of Isaac as a pledge of what was to come] what God had promised him.
16 Men indeed swear by a greater [than themselves], and with them in all disputes the oath taken for confirmation is final [ending strife].
17 Accordingly God also, in His desire to show more convincingly and beyond doubt to those who were to inherit the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose and plan, intervened (mediated) with an oath.
18 This was so that, by two unchangeable things [His promise and His oath] in which it is impossible for God ever to prove false or deceive us, we who have fled [to Him] for refuge might have mighty indwelling strength and strong encouragement to grasp and hold fast the hope appointed for us and set before [us].
19 [Now] we have this [hope] as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul [it cannot slip and it cannot break down under whoever steps out upon it—a hope] that reaches farther and enters into [the very certainty of the Presence] within the veil,
20 Where Jesus has entered in for us [in advance], a Forerunner having become a High Priest forever after the order (with the rank) of Melchizedek.

1 Peter 1:3-6
Praised (honored, blessed) be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah)! By His boundless mercy we have been born again to an ever-living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 [Born anew] into an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay [imperishable], unsullied and unfading, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are being guarded (garrisoned) by God’s power through [your] faith [till you fully inherit that final] salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time.
6 [You should] be exceedingly glad on this account, though now for a little while you may be distressed by trials and suffer temptations,

1 John 2:25
And this is what He Himself has promised us—the life, the eternal [life].

If he would take away that promise of eternal life it wouldn't be eternal. And it wouldn't be a promise he makes sure that doesn't happen.

But not to worry because we have eternal security.

1 John 5:9–13
If we accept [as we do] the testimony of men [if we are willing to take human authority], the testimony of God is greater (of stronger authority), for this is the testimony of God, even the witness which He has borne regarding His Son.
10 He who believes in the Son of God [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] has the testimony [possesses this divine attestation] within himself. He who does not believe God [in this way] has made Him out to be and represented Him as a liar, because he has not believed (put his faith in, adhered to, and relied on) the evidence (the testimony) that God has borne regarding His Son.
11 And this is that testimony (that evidence): God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who possesses the Son has that life; he who does not possess the Son of God does not have that life.
13 I write this to you who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) the name of the Son of God [in the peculiar services and blessings conferred by Him on men], so that you may know [with settled and absolute knowledge] that you [already] have life, yes, eternal life.

If you could lose your salvation then it never was eternal life but that's not what the Bible teaches...the Bible teaches we are eternally secure
 
Eternal security is the present possession of eternal life. In other words, from the point of salvation, it is the irrevocable and unfailing condition of eternal life guaranteed the true believer in Christ.
That's what I believe. Think about it.

If Christ came to seek and to save that which was lost, and yet we can somehow become unsaved—and therefore undo what Christ came to do—would it not be wise for God to take us on to heaven the moment we are saved in order to insure we make it? Isn’t it unnecessarily risky to force us to stay here?

Charles F. Stanley
 
“The truth of eternal security is inherent in the nature of salvation itself.” Lewis Sperry Chafer

Eternal security is the present possession of eternal life. In other words, from the point of salvation, it is the irrevocable and unfailing condition of eternal life guaranteed the true believer in Christ.
The Bible does not teach this idea, nor is salvation unconditonally irrevocable or an unconditional guarantee regardless of how the Christian lives.

1 Jn 2:25
"And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life."

Eternal life is a promise and a promise is something not yet realized. This promise is not UNconditional but conditional upon the Christian remaining faithful unto death (Rev 2:10). Those Christians that do not remain faithful lose this promise.
 
Does it make any sense to say that salvation is offered as a solution for our sin and then to turn around and teach that salvation can be taken away because of our sin as well?
That's right, God’s pencil has no eraser. Before you breathed your first word, God knew how you would respond to His offer of grace. According to His foreknowledge, He wrote your name in the book of life. And there it shall remain forever. Jesus said it this way:

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.
John 10:27–28

And as if that were not clear enough:

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
John 10:29
 
That's right, God’s pencil has no eraser. Before you breathed your first word, God knew how you would respond to His offer of grace. According to His foreknowledge, He wrote your name in the book of life. And there it shall remain forever. Jesus said it this way:

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.
John 10:27–28

And as if that were not clear enough:

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
John 10:29
One must CONDITIONALLY be of "MY SHEEP" and remain of "my sheep" to not perish/be saved.

Verse 27 to be a sheep of Christ one must CONDITIONALLY hear and follow Christ and both verbs hear and follow are present tense that denotes an ongoing, sustained hearing and following. Those that become unfaithful and do not maintain a sustained hearing and following are no longer of Christ's sheep and can perish. There are CONDITIONS all in this context that one must meet and CONTINUE to meet in order to be saved/not perish.
 
Does it make any sense to say that salvation is offered as a solution for our sin and then to turn around and teach that salvation can be taken away because of our sin as well?
Eternal life is a conditional promise and one can forfeit that promise by becoming unfaithful. God does not force salvation on Christians against their will nor does God have an onus or obligation upon Himself to save Christians regardless of how they choose to live.
 
Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
Luke 10:20

Can joy and insecurity really coexist? How realistic is it to expect us to rejoice over our names being written in heaven If they can be erased
and are only as secure as our behavior is consistent?
 
The gospel is salvation by faith—and only by faith. The salvation spoken of by Jesus and Paul takes place at one moment in time yet seals the believer for all time.

It's very important that people not to lose lost their assurance. Our security rests in the hands of an unconditionally loving heavenly Father. One who gave His best to insure our fellowship with Him forever. Our assurance rests in understanding and acceptance of these glorious truths.
 
“The truth of eternal security is inherent in the nature of salvation itself.” Lewis Sperry Chafer

Eternal security is the present possession of eternal life. In other words, from the point of salvation, it is the irrevocable and unfailing condition of eternal life guaranteed the true believer in Christ.

If salvation can be lost, it is vital that Christians not be given a false sense of security. If salvation is secure, it is vital that Christians not anguish over a nonexistent possibility.

If salvation is truly by grace, I think there can be only one possible resolution to the issue. Because of God's grace we are eternally secure.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace (the undeserved favor and mercy) of the Lord Jesus, just as they [are].

When does grace stop being grace after we are saved? Does that mean after we are saved it's no longer grace but works? So we are saved by grace but kept by works.

Romans 3:24
[All] are justified and made upright and in right standing with God, freely and gratuitously by His grace (His unmerited favor and mercy), through the redemption which is [provided] in Christ Jesus,

Romans 4:6
Therefore, [inheriting] the promise is the outcome of faith and depends [entirely] on faith, in order that it might be given as an act of grace (unmerited favor), to make it stable and valid and guaranteed to all his descendants—not only to the devotees and adherents of the Law, but also to those who share the faith of Abraham, who is [thus] the father of us all.

Romans 11:5–6
So too at the present time there is a remnant (a small believing minority), selected (chosen) by grace (by God’s unmerited favor and graciousness).
6 But if it is by grace (His unmerited favor and graciousness), it is no longer conditioned on works or anything men have done. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace [it would be meaningless].

Galatians 2:21
[Therefore, I do not treat God’s gracious gift as something of minor importance and defeat its very purpose]; I do not set aside and invalidate and frustrate and nullify the grace (unmerited favor) of God. For if justification (righteousness, acquittal from guilt) comes through [observing the ritual of] the Law, then Christ (the Messiah) died groundlessly and to no purpose and in vain. [His death was then wholly superfluous.]


Ephesians 2:5–6
Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation).
6 And He raised us up together with Him and made us sit down together [giving us joint seating with Him] in the heavenly sphere [by virtue of our being] in Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

Astonishing as it may sound, Christians are united with Jesus Christ in His resurrected life. Physically, we still live in the natural world. But God, by His great power, and because of His immense love, mercy, and grace, raised us from our spiritually dead status to new life in Christ. We now sit in heavenly places. God's going to make sure we don't lose our position. We are eternally secure.

2 Timothy 1:9–10
[For it is He] Who delivered and saved us and called us with a calling in itself holy and leading to holiness [to a life of consecration, a vocation of holiness]; [He did it] not because of anything of merit that we have done, but because of and to further His own purpose and grace (unmerited favor) which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began [eternal ages ago].
[It is that purpose and grace] which He now has made known and has fully disclosed and made real [to us] through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, Who annulled death and made it of no effect and brought life and immortality (immunity from eternal death) to light through the Gospel.

Hebrews 6:13-20
13 For when God made [His] promise to Abraham, He swore by Himself, since He had no one greater by whom to swear,
14 Saying, Blessing I certainly will bless you and multiplying I will multiply you.
15 And so it was that he [Abraham], having waited long and endured patiently, realized and obtained [in the birth of Isaac as a pledge of what was to come] what God had promised him.
16 Men indeed swear by a greater [than themselves], and with them in all disputes the oath taken for confirmation is final [ending strife].
17 Accordingly God also, in His desire to show more convincingly and beyond doubt to those who were to inherit the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose and plan, intervened (mediated) with an oath.
18 This was so that, by two unchangeable things [His promise and His oath] in which it is impossible for God ever to prove false or deceive us, we who have fled [to Him] for refuge might have mighty indwelling strength and strong encouragement to grasp and hold fast the hope appointed for us and set before [us].
19 [Now] we have this [hope] as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul [it cannot slip and it cannot break down under whoever steps out upon it—a hope] that reaches farther and enters into [the very certainty of the Presence] within the veil,
20 Where Jesus has entered in for us [in advance], a Forerunner having become a High Priest forever after the order (with the rank) of Melchizedek.

1 Peter 1:3-6
Praised (honored, blessed) be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah)! By His boundless mercy we have been born again to an ever-living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 [Born anew] into an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay [imperishable], unsullied and unfading, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are being guarded (garrisoned) by God’s power through [your] faith [till you fully inherit that final] salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time.
6 [You should] be exceedingly glad on this account, though now for a little while you may be distressed by trials and suffer temptations,

1 John 2:25
And this is what He Himself has promised us—the life, the eternal [life].

If he would take away that promise of eternal life it wouldn't be eternal. And it wouldn't be a promise he makes sure that doesn't happen.

But not to worry because we have eternal security.

1 John 5:9–13
If we accept [as we do] the testimony of men [if we are willing to take human authority], the testimony of God is greater (of stronger authority), for this is the testimony of God, even the witness which He has borne regarding His Son.
10 He who believes in the Son of God [who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] has the testimony [possesses this divine attestation] within himself. He who does not believe God [in this way] has made Him out to be and represented Him as a liar, because he has not believed (put his faith in, adhered to, and relied on) the evidence (the testimony) that God has borne regarding His Son.
11 And this is that testimony (that evidence): God gave us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who possesses the Son has that life; he who does not possess the Son of God does not have that life.
13 I write this to you who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) the name of the Son of God [in the peculiar services and blessings conferred by Him on men], so that you may know [with settled and absolute knowledge] that you [already] have life, yes, eternal life.

If you could lose your salvation then it never was eternal life but that's not what the Bible teaches...the Bible teaches we are eternally secure
"But whatever things were gain to me, these things I have counted as loss because of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them mere rubbish, so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 if somehow I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already grasped it all or have already become perfect, but I press on if I may also take hold of that for which I was even taken hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not regard myself as having taken hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Therefore, all who are mature, let’s have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that to you as well; 16 however, let’s keep living by that same standard to which we have attained."
(Phil 3:7-16)
While it is, in a way, true that we "have" eternal life, we have not yet attained it, nor is it irrevocable until we have attained it. We can be disqualified for the prize (as Paul said) if we do not remain faithful/endure to the end/continue to walk in the Light.
 
The gospel is salvation by faith—and only by faith. The salvation spoken of by Jesus and Paul takes place at one moment in time yet seals the believer for all time.

It's very important that people not to lose lost their assurance. Our security rests in the hands of an unconditionally loving heavenly Father. One who gave His best to insure our fellowship with Him forever. Our assurance rests in understanding and acceptance of these glorious truths.
The question of whether or not salvation is forever is not an isolated one. One’s answer to this question affects every facet of one’s theology. But this question goes beyond the realm of theology alone. It's personal like how do you know if you've lost your salvation or not? With that in mind it may very well hang over the deathbeds of our loved ones. Yes, there is a great deal at stake here.

If You Are Saved And You Know It
Say, “Amen!” (Amen).
If You Are Saved And You Know It
Say, “Amen!” (Amen).

If You Are Saved And You Know It
Then Your Life Should Always Show It
If You Are Saved And You Know It
Say, “Amen!” (Amen).

Assurance of salvation brings joy https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/eternal-security.145/post-27183
 
Well, from all that I've seen, most every supporter of the loss of salvation doctrine does not deny that the blood of Christ is adequate for the redemption of humanity. The bigger disagreement here arises over the question, "will every regenerated person continue believing that the blood of Christ is adequate for their [personal] redemption/salvation?"
Then there is this that needs to be considered,

"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." 1 John 1: 7

So does the blood of Jesus have the power to do something here? Or as is stated in the quote box....is it adequate? Absolutely. I'd say we need to look at context though. IF.....IF.......we walk in the light as he's in the light....we'll have fellowship with one another AND the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from all sin. Is it possible for someone in Christ Jesus to leave the LIGHT? That's what you have to ask yourself. I'd say they can if they so choose to.

When he's talking about BUT IF WE....he's meaning WE as a collective group of believers......he's not talking about unbelievers. So IF WE as a collective group or individually choose to leave the LIGHT what then does not happen? The blood of Jesus is not cleansing your sin. I don't believe it's when a believer falls into an odd sin, I believe it's meaning when one chooses as a continual pattern without any remorse or even any desire to overcome it.......then the Blood is not doing the work they might think it's doing.

I have no problem with Once Saved Always Saved as long as you put with it Once Walking In The Light always walking in the Light and I mean you do that as a continual pattern, not that you never fall. If you're not willing to do that then I'd say Once Saved Always Saved isn't going to work for you. So again maybe a different way of looking at it for those who don't believe in OSAS. Maybe you do believe and can agree with OSAS if it's joined with Once Walking In The Light Always Walking In The Light.
 
Then there is this that needs to be considered,

"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." 1 John 1: 7

So does the blood of Jesus have the power to do something here? Or as is stated in the quote box....is it adequate? Absolutely. I'd say we need to look at context though. IF.....IF.......we walk in the light as he's in the light....we'll have fellowship with one another AND the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from all sin. Is it possible for someone in Christ Jesus to leave the LIGHT? That's what you have to ask yourself. I'd say they can if they so choose to.

When he's talking about BUT IF WE....he's meaning WE as a collective group of believers......he's not talking about unbelievers. So IF WE as a collective group or individually choose to leave the LIGHT what then does not happen? The blood of Jesus is not cleansing your sin. I don't believe it's when a believer falls into an odd sin, I believe it's meaning when one chooses as a continual pattern without any remorse or even any desire to overcome it.......then the Blood is not doing the work they might think it's doing.

I have no problem with Once Saved Always Saved as long as you put with it Once Walking In The Light always walking in the Light and I mean you do that as a continual pattern, not that you never fall. If you're not willing to do that then I'd say Once Saved Always Saved isn't going to work for you. So again maybe a different way of looking at it for those who don't believe in OSAS. Maybe you do believe and can agree with OSAS if it's joined with Once Walking In The Light Always Walking In The Light.

You stated, "Maybe you do believe and can agree with OSAS if it's joined with Once Walking In The Light Always Walking In The Light."

Perhaps you misunderstand my position on the matter? ... not only is it possible that I believe and agree with OSAS ... I absolutely agree with OSAS ... that is, the scriptural version of it [as opposed to the counterfeit versions/representations of it].
 
If salvation can be lost, it is vital that Christians not be given a false sense of security.
I agree.
If salvation is secure, it is vital that Christians not anguish over a nonexistent possibility.
I'd say one won't be anguishing over this if this truly and genuinely is happening in their lives,

“The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God.” Rom 8:16
So is that really happening in one's life? Do they genuinely know that YES God is speaking to them each day and leading them? (and when I say speaking to them I don't mean necessarily with an audible voice but that they KNOW God is relaying direction to them might be through circumstances or whatever. Here's another indication,

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Heb 12:5

Are you sensing that in your spirit from time to time? If one isn't I sure wouldn't be leaning to an idea that I'm saved because I've mentally assented to the doctrines of the church.....Oh my ....you better make sure your relationship with the Lord is real and genuine and he most certainly does want it to be that way from his standpoint.....but what about you? Is this something YOU really want to have? There's a saying.....being a Christian doesn't cost you anything except everything you've got. It's not playtime down here on the earth....it's discipline time. Jesus is to be our LORD.
 
You stated, "Maybe you do believe and can agree with OSAS if it's joined with Once Walking In The Light Always Walking In The Light."

Perhaps you misunderstand my position on the matter? ... not only is it possible that I believe and agree with OSAS ... I absolutely agree with OSAS ... that is, the scriptural version of it [as opposed to the
counterfeit versions/representations of it].

Do you believe that there will be some some regenerated persons who will subsequently forfeit/lose their salvation and consequently perish eternally in the Lake of Fire?
 
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