The Eternal Son

[FreeInChrist]

You're being silly by saying that Jesus is the Word when John 1 doesn't say that. I am being rational. Where is Jesus ever called the Word even one time in all of Scripture?

Who is this? (from John 1)

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


New World Translation says. Thats the JW translation of preference.

14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Now, you JWs who are reading this are going to argue the claim an only-begotten son from a father does not indicate Jesus or God the Father, for it could be any begotten son, except you folks also identify the Word as the one who became flesh, and you folk punch it up by actually saying he was full of divine favor and truth.

So, @Runningman .. as I asked you... who is this Word that became flesh, from the only begotten Father?

Are you going to claim that the Heavenly Father begot... begat... ????? two?

 

[FreeInChrist]

I agree that Jesus is the true God. So why is the name "Jesus" never used for God in the Old Testament?

It was needed for when the babe would be born and part of the plan.

I would imagine that the angel who told Joseph...

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

...did so because the savior child would need a name people would recognize but not one that made them stand off.

And also was Confirmed in Luke to Mary

31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

 

[Runningman]

Who is this? (from John 1)

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


New World Translation says. Thats the JW translation of preference.

14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Now, you JWs who are reading this are going to argue the claim an only-begotten son from a father does not indicate Jesus or God the Father, for it could be any begotten son, except you folks also identify the Word as the one who became flesh, and you folk punch it up by actually saying he was full of divine favor and truth.

So, @Runningman .. as I asked you... who is this Word that became flesh, from the only begotten Father?

Are you going to claim that the Heavenly Father begot... begat... ????? two?

I might ask you who the Word is too. Where is the Word saying or doing anything in the OT? Why did John call the Word a thing in 1John 1:1-3? Why did John not believe Jesus is God in Acts 4:23-31?

Your questions I have answered exhaustively. Straight answers will only sound silly if you don't understand what John's point was. Check out 1John 1:1-3 and Acts 3:23-31 and see if that clears it up.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@dwight92070

Very simple~God's Son was born in TIME around two thousand years ago, until then, God had no Son, only according to his eternal purposes ~ Jesus was born of Mary and we have the record of that birth, the only record there is to see and know when exactly Jesus became the Son of God.

Where there any sons before Jesus?

 

[civic]

@dwight92070

Very simple~God's Son was born in TIME around two thousand years ago, until then, God had no Son, only according to his eternal purposes ~ Jesus was born of Mary and we have the record of that birth, the only record there is to see and know when exactly Jesus became the Son of God.

Jesus became Gods son at His birth. Prior He was the 2nd Person of the Trinity known as the Son. Both the Father and Son have always been Father/Son since before creation. The Trinity has never changed with the exception of the Son taking upon Himself humanity permanently. We call this the Incarnation.

hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus became Gods son at His birth. Prior He was the 2nd Person of the Trinity known as the Son. Both the Father and Son have always been Father/Son since before creation. The Trinity has never changed with the exception of the Son taking upon Himself humanity permanently. The Sons Divine nature as God remains unchanged. We call this the Incarnation.

hope this helps !!!

Yep. Scripture is wonderful....

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Runningman]

Yep. Scripture is wonderful....

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Which would mean Jesus was always a human and still is. There is no other version of Jesus that excludes him being fully human, contrary to what some say about him pre-existing as a non-human being.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Where there any sons before Jesus?

Sorry for the typo. I meant to say "Were there any sons before Jesus?"

I believe in the doctrine of the Eternal Son but I'll go even further to say I lean toward believing that Adam was patterned after the tangible bodily form of Jesus Christ when Adam was crafted from the ashes/dust of the earth.

Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Which would mean Jesus was always a human and still is. There is no other version of Jesus that excludes him being fully human, contrary to what some say about him pre-existing as a non-human being.

There is no context of humanity associated with such a statement. It is a statement relative to Character.

I want to really help you but you're resisting the simplest of things.

The Son is Eternal. His Character has never changed. The Incarnation changed Jesus Christ but it wasn't relative to His Character.

Just realize that I've been doing this for a long time. Debate after debate. Over and over again. I can help you but this attitude you have toward Jesus Christ is detrimental to you. There are many answers to these questions that you're not considering.

Thanks

 

[Runningman]

There is no context of humanity associated with such a statement. It is a statement relative to Character.

I want to really help you but you're resisting the simplest of things.

The Son is Eternal. His Character has never changed. The Incarnation changed Jesus Christ but it wasn't relative to His Character.

Just realize that I've been doing this for a long time. Debate after debate. Over and over again. I can help you but this attitude you have toward Jesus Christ is detrimental to you. There are many answers to these questions that you're not considering.

Thanks
Lewis

"Jesus" is the name given to a human. So to say "Jesus" is to refer to a human. So say he is the same yesterday, today, and forever means he has never changed. If he has never changed then he has always been a human and he was only ever a human after he was born. I

 

[praise_yeshua]

"Jesus" is the name given to a human. So to say "Jesus" is to refer to a human. So say he is the same yesterday, today, and forever means he has never changed. If he has never changed then he has always been a human and he was only ever a human after he was born. I

Oversimplification. There are many names given to the Son.

 

[Runningman]

Oversimplification.

Either that or Jesus hasn't always been the same and then we got a different problem.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Either that or Jesus hasn't always been the same and then we got a different problem.

Your character changes. Men's character change.

Do you believe the character of Jesus Christ has changed?

You must oversimplify or you're going to lose this theology you prefer. There is an alternative to your problem too. Change. What you believe isn't worth having.