Your Views on The Trinity

[TomL]

this is not what 101G asked. again, was the Christ, flesh bone and blood the PERSON, who made all things.

and since you suggested the Son/God... good, question, is the Son/God as you said,.... (IN THE BEGINNING at Genesis 1:1), flesh bone and blood? yes or no.

your answer please.

please note, 101G is not trying to argue, or prove you in error, but if 101G compromise on any point, 101G will be in ERROR... this is only a discussion for the truth.... ok.

It was the word before he took on flesh

 

[civic]

For the Last time, "WITH", indicate the same one person. bible, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." NOW THIS, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." I, I, I, I, ... "ALSO" look up also.

now bible, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" look up "Alone", and the term "BY"... MYSELF. Last time,
BY, according to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English,
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

this is so easy, if people just read.

101G.

Nope I was with my wife last night at the dinner table . My wife is not me

I was with my father yesterday on the golf course. We played as a twosome. My Father is not me. I shot a 75 and he shot a 92. Two different scores for two different players with two different sets of golf clubs playing two different t golf ball.

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[101G]

It was the word before he took on flesh

he is the Word that is Spirit, the same one PERSON in, in, in, the beginning. ..... that made all things. something else NEW?

101G

 

[101G]

Nope I was with my wife last night at the dinner table . My wife is not me

I was with my father yesterday on the golf course. We played as a twosome. My Father is not me. I shot a 75 and he shot a 92. Two different scores for two different players with two different sets of golf clubs playing two different t golf ball.

Next fallacy

LOL, #1. "With" ... bible, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." one person who is the FIRST and the LAST.

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." ........ the same one person.
please look up the term "ALSO.

now back to 101G's original question. "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that body of flesh and blood? your answer please.

101G.

 

[civic]

LOL, #1. "With" ... bible, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." one person who is the FIRST and the LAST.

Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." ........ the same one person.
please look up the term "ALSO.

now back to 101G's original question. "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that body of flesh and blood? your answer please.

101G.

The Word was with God—The preposition translated "with" is pros. In Koine Greek pros (short for prosopon pros prosopon, "face to face") was used to show intimacy in personal relationships (see Matt. 13:56; 26:18; Mark 6:3; 14:49; 1 Cor. 13:12; 6:10; 2 Cor. 5:8; Gal. 1:18). Thus, for John to say "the Word was with God" was for him to mean "the Word was face to face with God" (see Williams’s translation) or "the Word was having intimate fellowship with God." This speaks of the preincarnate Son’s relationship with the Father prior to creation—in fact, prior to everything (see 1:18; 17:5, 24) (JFB).

With God (pros ton theon). Though existing eternally with God the Logos was in perfect fellowship with God. Pros with the accusative presents a plane of equality and intimacy, face to face with each other (RWP).

The preposition "with" in the phrase "the Word was with God" indicates both equality and distinction of identity along with association. The phrase can be rendered "face to face with." It may, therefore, imply personality, coexistence with the Creator, and yet be an expression of his creative being...The preposition ðñ’ò (pros) indicates both equality and distinction of identity. Robertson says, "The literal idea comes out well, ‘face to face with God’" (RHG, p. 623). Thus this implies personality and coexistence with God. Robertson says it bespeaks of "the fellowship between the Logos and God" (EBC).

Thus John’s statement is that the divine Word not only abode with the Father from all eternity, but was in the living, active relation of communion with Him (Vincent).

Of the character of this relationship to God no further details are given. [Apparently "with God" (pros + accusative) is intended as an indication not only of place but also of disposition and orientation. - note 23] The focus is entirely on the antecedent existence of the Word, that is, that it existed before all that is created, and on the Word's participation in the divine. This latter point is made in no uncertain terms by the emphatic positioning of the predicate noun: "And God was the Word" (Ridderbos).

What we notice about all these examples [of pros in the NT], however, is that in all but one or two peculiar constructions (e.g., 1 Pet. 3:15), pros may mean 'with' only when a person is with a person, usually in some fairly intimate relationship. And that suggests that John may already be pointing out, rather subtly, that the 'Word' he is talking about is a person, with God and therefore distinguishable from God, and enjoying a personal relationship with him (Carson)

The Greek preposition translated with suggests the idea of communion. The thought is lit. 'towards God', which requires some distinctiveness between God and the Word. But the next phrase adds a further aspect, since it affirms that the Word was God...Since the Greek has no article before God, the term must be taken setting out a characteristic of the Word. Since God is a noun, John must be affirming the Godhead of the Word. It involves not only divinity but deity (NBC).

John 1:1
Was with God ‎een ‎‎pros ‎‎ton ‎‎Theon‎. Anglo-Saxon version: "mid Gode." Wycliffe: "at God." "With" ‎pros ‎does not convey the full meaning, that there is no single English word which will give it better. The preposition ‎pros‎, which, with the accusative case, donotes motion toward, or direction, is also often used in the New Testament in the sense of with; and that not merely as "being near or beside," but as a living union and communion; implying the active notion of conversation. Thus: "Are not his sisters here with us" ‎pros ‎‎heemas‎, i.e., in social relations with us (Mark 6:3; Matt 13:56). "How long shall I be with you" ‎pros ‎‎humas‎, Mark 9:16). "I sat daily with you" (Matt 26:55). "To be present with the Lord" ‎pros ‎‎ton ‎‎Kurion‎, 2 Cor 5:8). "Abide and winter with you" (1 Cor 16:6). "The eternal life which was with the Father" ‎pros ‎‎ton ‎‎patera‎, 1 John 1:2). Thus John's statement is that the divine Word not only "abode" with the Father from all eternity, but was in the living, active relation of communion with Him.
Vincent

John 1:1
The Word was with God. The word "with" is from a preposition meaning literally "facing." Thus the Word is a Person facing God the Father. The article appears before the word "God" in the Greek, which indicates that the First Person of the Trinity is meant. Thus, John is speaking of the fellowship between the Word, Jesus Christ, and the Father, a fellowship that existed from all eternity and will exist to all eternity. Wuest

 

[101G]

this is what 101G is speaking about.
the scriptures clearly states, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

101G.

 

[101G]

The Word was with God—The preposition translated "with" is pros. In Koine Greek pros (short for prosopon pros prosopon, "face to face") was used to show intimacy in personal relationships (see Matt. 13:56; 26:18; Mark 6:3; 14:49; 1 Cor. 13:12; 6:10; 2 Cor. 5:8; Gal. 1:18). Thus, for John to say "the Word was with God" was for him to mean "the Word was face to face with God" (see Williams’s translation) or "the Word was having intimate fellowship with God." This speaks of the preincarnate Son’s relationship with the Father prior to creation—in fact, prior to everything (see 1:18; 17:5, 24) (JFB).

With God (pros ton theon). Though existing eternally with God the Logos was in perfect fellowship with God. Pros with the accusative presents a plane of equality and intimacy, face to face with each other (RWP).

The preposition "with" in the phrase "the Word was with God" indicates both equality and distinction of identity along with association. The phrase can be rendered "face to face with." It may, therefore, imply personality, coexistence with the Creator, and yet be an expression of his creative being...The preposition ðñ’ò (pros) indicates both equality and distinction of identity. Robertson says, "The literal idea comes out well, ‘face to face with God’" (RHG, p. 623). Thus this implies personality and coexistence with God. Robertson says it bespeaks of "the fellowship between the Logos and God" (EBC).

Thus John’s statement is that the divine Word not only abode with the Father from all eternity, but was in the living, active relation of communion with Him (Vincent).

Of the character of this relationship to God no further details are given. [Apparently "with God" (pros + accusative) is intended as an indication not only of place but also of disposition and orientation. - note 23] The focus is entirely on the antecedent existence of the Word, that is, that it existed before all that is created, and on the Word's participation in the divine. This latter point is made in no uncertain terms by the emphatic positioning of the predicate noun: "And God was the Word" (Ridderbos).

What we notice about all these examples [of pros in the NT], however, is that in all but one or two peculiar constructions (e.g., 1 Pet. 3:15), pros may mean 'with' only when a person is with a person, usually in some fairly intimate relationship. And that suggests that John may already be pointing out, rather subtly, that the 'Word' he is talking about is a person, with God and therefore distinguishable from God, and enjoying a personal relationship with him (Carson)

The Greek preposition translated with suggests the idea of communion. The thought is lit. 'towards God', which requires some distinctiveness between God and the Word. But the next phrase adds a further aspect, since it affirms that the Word was God...Since the Greek has no article before God, the term must be taken setting out a characteristic of the Word. Since God is a noun, John must be affirming the Godhead of the Word. It involves not only divinity but deity (NBC).

John 1:1
Was with God ‎een ‎‎pros ‎‎ton ‎‎Theon‎. Anglo-Saxon version: "mid Gode." Wycliffe: "at God." "With" ‎pros ‎does not convey the full meaning, that there is no single English word which will give it better. The preposition ‎pros‎, which, with the accusative case, donotes motion toward, or direction, is also often used in the New Testament in the sense of with; and that not merely as "being near or beside," but as a living union and communion; implying the active notion of conversation. Thus: "Are not his sisters here with us" ‎pros ‎‎heemas‎, i.e., in social relations with us (Mark 6:3; Matt 13:56). "How long shall I be with you" ‎pros ‎‎humas‎, Mark 9:16). "I sat daily with you" (Matt 26:55). "To be present with the Lord" ‎pros ‎‎ton ‎‎Kurion‎, 2 Cor 5:8). "Abide and winter with you" (1 Cor 16:6). "The eternal life which was with the Father" ‎pros ‎‎ton ‎‎patera‎, 1 John 1:2). Thus John's statement is that the divine Word not only "abode" with the Father from all eternity, but was in the living, active relation of communion with Him.
Vincent

John 1:1
The Word was with God. The word "with" is from a preposition meaning literally "facing." Thus the Word is a Person facing God the Father. The article appears before the word "God" in the Greek, which indicates that the First Person of the Trinity is meant. Thus, John is speaking of the fellowship between the Word, Jesus Christ, and the Father, a fellowship that existed from all eternity and will exist to all eternity. Wuest

are these scriptures a liar? #1. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

#2. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

#3. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" if God is "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF", there is no one to go through or by...... brought to you by ... Common Sense.

#4. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
AGAIN, brought to you by common sense, the person in John 1:3 who made all things is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 who made all things.
if one cannot understand commonsense..... 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

well 101G is out of this........ (smile) .... YIKES!! good luck.

101G

 

[MTMattie]

the Son/God took on, became, flesh bone and blood.

True.

The Word Made Flesh​

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”

16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.

17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

 

[Aeliana]

Prior to the Incarnation in John 1:14 the Son was not flesh. THANK YOU, WHICH MEANS HE WAS "SPIRIT".

now the Persons. the Spirit, and there is only "ONE" Spirit, right. and you say three persons, one Spirit correct. so, the Spirit that was Incarnation in John 1:14 the Son who was in flesh bone and blood. question, "How much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') for that Spirit person called the Son while in that flesh. was it 1/3 of the Spirit in that flesh as the person you call the son, or was all the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh and blood.

your answer please.

101G

All three Persons of the Trinity comprise the one, perfectly unified God. They share the same nature and essence, and they are all the same God, but each individual Person of the Trinity is distinct and unique. The fact that God exists in three Persons is important for several reasons. For instance, God is love (1 John 4:8). But, in eternity past, before God created any other being, could He have truly been love? That is, can love exist where there is no one to be loved? Because God exists in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, love exists, too. Eternal love has been expressed eternally among the Persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Spirit have always loved each other, and so love is eternal.

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What does it mean that the Trinity is God in three Persons? How can there be three Persons in the Trinity but only one God?

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[Pancho Frijoles]

All three Persons of the Trinity comprise the one, perfectly unified God. They share the same nature and essence, and they are all the same God, but each individual Person of the Trinity is distinct and unique. The fact that God exists in three Persons is important for several reasons. For instance, God is love (1 John 4:8). But, in eternity past, before God created any other being, could He have truly been love? That is, can love exist where there is no one to be loved? Because God exists in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, love exists, too. Eternal love has been expressed eternally among the Persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Spirit have always loved each other, and so love is eternal.View attachment 1080

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Hi, Aeliana!

Nice interacting with you for the first time.
I am a Mexican man, married, I studied Medicine and practice the Baha'i Faith.

The thought of what God did BEFORE creation, or whom He loved BEFORE creation, has no relevance in any of these two instances

1. If the universe we know, with all its space-time fabric, was created in a singularity (what we know as the Big Bang) then there was no "before". I mean, no time. God does not exist in space of time, or so we all believe. So, we should not think in God like feeling lonely not having anyone to love for millions of years, because there were no "years" before Creation.

2. If the universe we know, is just one of many that existed before in infinite succession, then God has always been creating things. He has always been a Creator, and has never been alone.

In none of these two cases God had a time to get sad or bored for not having anyone to love.

 

[TomL]

he is the Word that is Spirit, the same one PERSON in, in, in, the beginning. ..... that made all things. something else NEW?

101G

Sorry but the involvement of an agent requires more than one

John 1:2–3 (LEB) — 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

 

[101G]

All three Persons of the Trinity comprise the one, perfectly unified God. They share the same nature and essence, and they are all the same God, but each individual Person of the Trinity is distinct and unique. The fact that God exists in three Persons is important for several reasons. For instance, God is love (1 John 4:8). But, in eternity past, before God created any other being, could He have truly been love? That is, can love exist where there is no one to be loved? Because God exists in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons, love exists, too. Eternal love has been expressed eternally among the Persons of the Godhead. The Father, Son, and Spirit have always loved each other, and so love is eternal.View attachment 1080

What does it mean that the Trinity is God in three Persons? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that the Trinity is God in three Persons? How can there be three Persons in the Trinity but only one God?

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untrue

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

untrue

101G.

It's true love.

 

[Aeliana]

Hi, Aeliana!

Nice interacting with you for the first time.
I am a Mexican man, married, I studied Medicine and practice the Baha'i Faith.

The thought of what God did BEFORE creation, or whom He loved BEFORE creation, has no relevance in any of these two instances

1. If the universe we know, with all its space-time fabric, was created in a singularity (what we know as the Big Bang) then there was no "before". I mean, no time. God does not exist in space of time, or so we all believe. So, we should not think in God like feeling lonely not having anyone to love for millions of years, because there were no "years" before Creation.

2. If the universe we know, is just one of many that existed before in infinite succession, then God has always been creating things. He has always been a Creator, and has never been alone.

In none of these two cases God had a time to get sad or bored for not having anyone to love.

Hi there. God created the world and all that is in it for His own glory. Creation is a demonstration of His love, grace, mercy, wisdom, power, and goodness. It is a gift to Himself and a way to reveal Himself. Creation was not out of need, but to make known His power and wisdom

 

[101G]

It's true love.

GINOLJC, to all.
we're not going to argue... OK, let the bible speak for itself ok.

now, if it's three persons in the Godhead, answer 101G this..... by scripture.

Question #1. is the Person in the following two scriptures the same one person.
scripture A. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Scripture B. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

so, is the person in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALLTHINGS is he the same PERSON in Isaiah 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS? yes or no.

remember in Isaiah 44:24, the LORD was "Alone" and "by himself", no one else was present. .... THINK BEFORE YOU ANSWER.


remember this is not for argument, but seeking truth, OK.

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

Duh if all things are created through him, he cannot be a thing as he cannot create himself

Better take some logic lessons and stop letting the watchtower think for you.

No he cannot create. He can be used as Gods master worker and have things created through him.

 

[Keiw1]

So you gave up your mind to the watchtower to be its slave

The watchtower is a magazine, Thus every sunday, worldwide using a watchtower alongside of the bible, every JW on earth just about gets the same spiritual feeding--it gives them unity of thought( 1 Cor 1:10)--Its absolutely no different than a sermon being preached that explains what the bible is teaching.

 

[Keiw1]

Never stated anywhere in scripture

and ignoring

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

It is in real translation--Prov8:22-Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating)--errored bibles has possessed me= makes no sense.,

 

[Keiw1]

Tell us all, please, if you agree what the following teach....

All in this list are Non-Trin religions.

See what their basics are and how you agree with them, for each and every one of them may share one of your beliefs , however...
they all are as different from night and day... yet we never hear you comment against any of them. So perhaps you need to broaden yourself and look at a few more potential church homes.

The following religions are among those that reject the doctrine of the Trinity. The list is not exhaustive but encompasses several of the major groups and religious movements. Included is a brief explanation of each group's beliefs about the nature of God, revealing a deviation from the Trinity doctrine.
For comparison purposes, the biblical Trinity doctrine is defined by The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church as "The central dogma of Christian theology, that the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is one, yet self-differentiated; the God who reveals Himself to mankind is one God equally in three distinct modes of existence, yet remains one through all eternity."

Mormonism - Latter-day Saints​

Founded By: Joseph Smith, Jr., 1830.
Mormons believe that God has a physical, flesh and bones, eternal, perfect body. Men have the potential to become gods as well. Jesus is God's literal son, a separate being from God the Father and the "elder brother" of men. The Holy Spirit is also a separate being from God the Father and God the Son. The Holy Spirit is regarded as an impersonal power or spirit being. These three separate beings are "one" only in their purpose, and they make up the Godhead.

Jehovah's Witnesses​

Founded By: Charles Taze Russell, 1879. Succeeded by Joseph F. Rutherford, 1917.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God is one person, Jehovah. Jesus was Jehovah's first creation. Jesus is not God, nor part of the Godhead. He is higher than the angels but inferior to God. Jehovah used Jesus to create the rest of the universe. Before Jesus came to earth, he was known as the archangel Michael. The Holy Spirit is an impersonal force from Jehovah, but not God.

Christian Science​

Founded By: Mary Baker Eddy, 1879.
Christian Scientists believe the Trinity is life, truth, and love. As an impersonal principle, God is the only thing that truly exists. Everything else (matter) is an illusion. Jesus, though not God, is the Son of God. He was the promised Messiah but was not a deity. The Holy Spirit is divine science in the teachings of Christian Science.

Armstrongism​

(Philadelphia Church of God, Global Church of God, United Church of God)
Founded By: Herbert W. Armstrong, 1934.
Traditional Armstrongism denies a Trinity, defining God as "a family of individuals." Original teachings say Jesus did not have a physical resurrection and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force.

Christadelphians​

Founded By: Dr. John Thomas, 1864.
Christadelphians believe God is one indivisible unity, not three distinct persons existing in one God. They deny the divinity of Jesus, believing he is fully human and separate from God. They do not believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, but merely a force—the "unseen power" from God.

Oneness Pentecostals​

Founded By: Frank Ewart, 1913.
Oneness Pentecostals believe that there is one God and God is one. Throughout time God manifested himself in three ways or "forms" (not persons), as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Oneness Pentecostals take issue with the Trinity doctrine chiefly for its use of the term "person." They believe God cannot be three distinct persons, but only one being who has revealed himself in three different modes. It is important to note that Oneness Pentecostals do affirm the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Unification Church​

Founded By: Sun Myung Moon, 1954.
Unification adherents believe that God is positive and negative, male and female. The universe is God's body, made by him. Jesus was not God, but a man. He did not experience a physical resurrection. In fact, his mission on earth failed and will be fulfilled through Sun Myung Moon, who is greater than Jesus. The Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. She collaborates with Jesus in the spirit realm to draw people to Sun Myung Moon.

Unity School of Christianity​

Founded By: Charles and Myrtle Fillmore, 1889.
Similar to Christian Science, Unity adherents believe God is an unseen, impersonal principle, not a person. God is a force within everyone and everything. Jesus was only a man, not the Christ. He merely realized his spiritual identity as the Christ by practicing his potential for perfection. This is something all men can achieve. Jesus did not resurrect from the dead, but rather, he reincarnated. The Holy Spirit is the active expression of God's law. Only the spirit part of us is real; matter is not real.

Scientology - Dianetics​

Founded By: L. Ron Hubbard, 1954.
Scientology defines God as Dynamic Infinity. Jesus is not God, Savior, or Creator, nor does he have control of supernatural powers. He is usually overlooked in Dianetics. The Holy Spirit is absent from this belief system as well. Men are "thetan" - immortal, spiritual beings with limitless capabilities and powers, though often they are unaware of this potential. Scientology teaches men how to achieve "higher states of awareness and ability" through practicing Dianetics.

Lets add these....

Unitarianism: Unitarians reject the trinity because they believe in monotheism and interpret scripture as saying that there is only one true God. Because of this, they view Jesus as a human prophet and teacher who was specially chosen by God, but not him or any other personages comprising part of a triune deity.

Oneness Pentecostalism: Oneness Pentecostals believe in the oneness of God, rejecting the idea of the Trinity. They believe that God exists as a single person, who manifests himself in three different ways: as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Judaism: Jews do ⁣not believe in the Trinity and adhere to a strict⁢ monotheistic belief in one God.

Islam: ⁢ Muslims also‌ reject the Trinity⁣ and believe⁣ in the absolute oneness of Allah.

Sikhism: Sikhism, a religion that originated in India, teaches belief in one God (Ik Onkar) and rejects the idea of the Trinity. Sikhs focus on living a righteous life and connecting with the divine through meditation‌ and service ⁣to‌ others.

Baha’i Faith: Followers of the Baha’i Faith also emphasize the unity of⁣ God and‍ reject the Trinity. They believe in the oneness of all religions and seek to ⁤promote world peace and unity among all peoples.

The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth back the JW teachers. Thats who i believe. Israelite true God worship history= the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHWH=Jehovah)-- Some religions teach that God but are in darkness on many other truths.

 

[Aeliana]

GINOLJC, to all.
we're not going to argue... OK, let the bible speak for itself ok.

now, if it's three persons in the Godhead, answer 101G this..... by scripture.

Question #1. is the Person in the following two scriptures the same one person.
scripture A. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Scripture B. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

so, is the person in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALLTHINGS is he the same PERSON in Isaiah 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS? yes or no.

remember in Isaiah 44:24, the LORD was "Alone" and "by himself", no one else was present. .... THINK BEFORE YOU ANSWER.


remember this is not for argument, but seeking truth, OK.

101G.

Easy... Three in One the Trinity

INDICATIONS OF GOD’S TRI-UNITY

In 1 Corinthians 8, Paul again affirms the oneness of God, but he brings in a new element. In the midst of a discussion of the issue of eating food items that had been offered to idols, a pastoral problem that came up in the Corinthian church, Paul says:

Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.1 Corinthians 8:1–6

The new element here is that Paul ascribes deity to Christ. He distinguishes between the Father and the Son, and he notes that all things are “from” the Father and “through” Christ, and that we exist “for” the Father and “through” the Son. Clearly, Paul is equating the Father and the Son in terms of Their divinity.

There are many passages in the New Testament that ascribe deity to Christ and to the Holy Spirit


R. C. Sproul, What Is the Trinity?