Your Views on The Trinity

[101G]

That one person is part of the three in one God that make up the Trinity.

Aeliana, Aeliana, my sister, read the scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

now, look up the term "ALONE" and 101G will do "BY" as in "By Myself".

BY: using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English,
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

BY... HIMSELF, that eliminate the false notion of a separate and distinct person in Colossians 1:16 "For by him (-SELF) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" and it also eliminates 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." yes, "BY" ..... HIMSELF, one PERSON.

101G

 

[Cyrus]

That one person is part of the three in one God that make up the Trinity.

Some people just don't get it. If we adopt the Eastern way and look within ourselves to find out what God is like, we immediately fall into the quagmire of relativism. Whatever god, gods or goddesses we find within us do not exist independent of how we conceive of them.

We Trinitarians believe that while there is only one God, numerically speaking, yet, within this one God, there exists more than one person, three in one. This is the fundamental principle underlying the doctrine of the Trinity. So it does not make much sense to discuss how many Persons there are in the Godhead and how They relate to each other until you have first established the multi-personal nature of God.

 

[101G]

you deny scripture, logic, reasoning and basic Greek, Hebrew, English, Lexicon definition of both singular and plural pronouns and persons singular and plural.

once again you are projecting and arguing a strawman.

see the above post to our sister Aeliana, post #881. now use common sense.

101G.

 

[101G]

Some people just don't get it. If we adopt the Eastern way and look within ourselves to find out what God is like, we immediately fall into the quagmire of relativism. Whatever god, gods or goddesses we find within us do not exist independent of how we conceive of them.

We Trinitarians believe that while there is only one God, numerically speaking, yet, within this one God, there exists more than one person, three in one. This is the fundamental principle underlying the doctrine of the Trinity. So it does not make much sense to discuss how many Persons there are in the Godhead and how They relate to each other until you have first established the multi-personal nature of God.

if that's the fundamental principle underlying the doctrine of the Trinity, again 101G ask, "is the person in John 1:3 the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 who MADE ALL THINGS?" yes or no.

your answer please.

101G.

 

[101G]

to all trinitarians,

the scriptures are not changing. if God himself say he is ONE PERSON, why believe anything else? reading scripture, without UNDERSTANDING is a receipt ... signed by YOU to destruction.

again, 101G appeal to U, reconsider your position. if the Lord Jesus ... who is God says, "God is a single Person", do you believe him?

101G.

 

[civic]

see the above post to our sister Aeliana, post #881. now use common sense.

101G.

I do not need to read anyone's response since I trust Gods word which declares God is not one person, but more than one person- the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are each called God and are not each other.

There is no such thing in the physical or spiritual realm where the Father is the Son, being the same person.

Its a figment of ones imagination, unbiblical and unscientific. Both scripture and the science of biology make it impossible. The laws of logic also are against you on this topic.

conclusion: you have nothin the the bible ,science or reality to support the false teaching that any Father is the same person as the Son

 

[101G]

I do not need to read anyone's response since I trust Gods word which declares God is not one person,

you better READ Matthews 19:2-4. here God declear he is ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[101G]

to all,
Matthew 19:1 "And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;" Matthew 19:2 "And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there." Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

he is how many Persons? ONE. God is a HE when he made man male and female in the beginning.

now do anyone deny the scriptures? so, don't argue with 101G, argue with God...... that's his words.

101G

 

[Aeliana]

see the above post to our sister Aeliana, post #881. now use common sense.

101G.

Or just learn how the Trinity is the truth.

 

[101G]

Or just learn how the Trinity is the truth.

well then answer Post 888 above

101G.

 

[101G]

@Aeliana, @civic
do you believe the Lord Jesus? because you have two options. A. believe God, (the Lord Jesus),, because he cannot lie. and then go back to Genesis 1:26 and 27 and find out why he said US and OUR there. or Option B. disbelieve what the Lord Jesus had said, and face God when he returns.

101G hope you chose option A.

101G.

 

[101G]

• Today at 6:41 AM
• LINK https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/your-views-on-the-trinity.1805/post-128864

101G asked you is the Person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24 Who MADE ALL THINGS.... YES or NO?

101G.

Aeliana said, YES

by your own admission, your answer, it destroys the very belief you hold to. for the Word in John 1:3 is the Son, the Ordinal Last. and the LORD, (all caps) in Isaiah 44:24 is the One whom you calls the Father. as you said, is the same one Person. so how can there be a trinity, when the Father and the Son is the Same one Person in those scriptures given?

101G

 

[Aeliana]

well then answer Post 888 above

101G.

Why? A post from some online forum will NOT change my views on the Trinity.

Are you into the “Oneness” or “Jesus Only” doctrine? The Jesus Only teaching claims that Jesus Christ is not only the Son, but also the Father and the Holy Spirit.

If you look at Scripture definitions for God with the Bible record of Jesus, we see the characteristics of Jehovah are also ascribed to Jesus. Note these powerful examples:

♦ He is self-existent (John 1:1–4; 14:6); only God is self-existent (Psalm 90:2).

♦ Jesus defines Himself as eternal. “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

♦ He is, and has, eternal life (1 John 5:11, 12, 20).

♦ He is all-powerful (Revelation 1:8).

♦ He created all things (John 1:3). “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). “For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16 NKJV).

♦ The Father even calls Jesus God. “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:8).

♦ Jesus is able to forgive sin (Luke 5:20, 21); The Bible says only God can forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25).

♦ Jesus accepted worship that according to the Ten Commandments is reserved only for the Almighty (Matthew 14:33). “And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘All hail.’ And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him” (Matthew 28:9). Upon seeing the risen Savior, the converted skeptic, Thomas, confessed, “My LORD and my God!” (John 20:26–29).

♦ Even the angels worship Jesus. “And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him” (Hebrews 1:6).

♦ The Scriptures also teach that only God knows the thoughts of a man’s heart (1 Kings 8:39). Yet Jesus consistently knew what people were thinking, “for he knew what was in man” (John 2:25). “Nathanael said to Him, ‘How do You know me?’ Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you’ ” (John 1:48 NKJV).

♦ Through the Spirit, Jesus is omnipresent. “Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matthew 28:20 NKJV). “For I am with you, and no one will attack you to hurt you; for I have many people in this city” (Acts 18:10 NKJV).

♦ He has power to give life, and even resurrected Himself. “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again” (John 10:18). “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25).

Therefore, by considering the primary definitions of God, and seeing that Jesus fits every one of those definitions, obviously, Jesus must be eternal God. Jesus is the second Person in the Trinity

 

[civic]

@Aeliana, @civic
do you believe the Lord Jesus? because you have two options. A. believe God, (the Lord Jesus),, because he cannot lie. and then go back to Genesis 1:26 and 27 and find out why he said US and OUR there. or Option B. disbelieve what the Lord Jesus had said, and face God when he returns.

101G hope you chose option A.

101G.

false dilemma

next fallacy

 

[101G]

Why? A post from some online forum will NOT change my views on the Trinity.

true, only God can change your views. so why are we all on the forum? to pat each other on the back in agreement? or to discuss the word of God?

Are you into the “Oneness” or “Jesus Only” doctrine? The Jesus Only teaching claims that Jesus Christ is not only the Son, but also the Father and the Holy Spirit.

again, 101G is not a Oneness as the UPIC and a few other believes. NO, 101G is what the Bible say God is, "Diversified Oneness".
which answers the rest of your post.

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

• Today at 6:41 AM
• LINK https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/your-views-on-the-trinity.1805/post-128864

Aeliana said, YES

by your own admission, your answer, it destroys the very belief you hold to. for the Word in John 1:3 is the Son, the Ordinal Last. and the LORD, (all caps) in Isaiah 44:24 is the One whom you calls the Father. as you said, is the same one Person. so how can there be a trinity, when the Father and the Son is the Same one Person in those scriptures given?

101G

Wrong, that's only in your head. The Trinity is one God in three Persons. And they work together. Jesus is called the second Person of the Trinity because He was the one who took on human nature.

 

[101G]

false dilemma

next fallacy

this is the dilemma of all who believe in a three-person Godhead. a delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

was this not foretold? Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

and was it not repeated? 1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" 1 Timothy 4:2 "Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"

don't want to hear what someone post? .... ok, your choice.

101G.

 

[101G]

Wrong, that's only in your head. The Trinity is one God in three Persons. And they work together. Jesus is called the second Person of the Trinity because He was the one who took on human nature.

see above.

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

see above.

101G.

I do see above what your trying to sell. And I'm not buying it. I'll go with:

The Godhead consists of three distinct persons who have existed together from eternity past and are named the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Each one possesses original, underived, and unborrowed life. They are all equally God and are one in nature, character, and purpose. They are not three “gods,” but one God in a combination of the three distinct persons.

 

[TomL]

101G asked you is the Person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24 Who MADE ALL THINGS.... YES or NO?

101G.

Thank you, 101G commend you on being Honest, and truthful. this is the mark of a true child of God.
now, knowing this that the person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 and he was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF", then there are no other 2 PERSONS, for the term ALONE means, having no one else present. and if no one else present then A. there was no one else to go through. and B. the other two persons are not omni-present, meaning just as the bible says, NO "GOD" beside ME. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." and that's God as in,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

101G.

So you do not believe the father is Lord

1 Corinthians 8:6 (NASB 2020) — 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Jude 4 (NASB 2020) — 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into indecent behavior and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

and you do not believe each has their own will

Luke 22:42 (LEB) — 42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, take away this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will but yours be done.” ⟦