Your Views on The Trinity

[Bob Carabbio]

To those outside the Christian faith, the doctrine of the Trinity seems a very strange teaching indeed.

WHO CARES what those "Outside the Christian faith" think or don't think about "Christian doctrine" as hell-bound sinners, their opinions, and their "Philosophies" don't mean SPIT.

Paul didn't argue doctrine to the LOST. He presented Jesus and him crucified, and left the "Heavy lifting" to the Holy Spirit, and that was enough

 

[TomL]

It is in real translation--Prov8:22-Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating)--errored bibles has possessed me= makes no sense.,

Talking about wisdom. A female who lives in a house with prudence

Hello

BTW if wisdom is created are you going to claim there was a time God was without wisdom


hello again

Stop letting the Watchtower do your thinking for you

You have ignored the actual verses under discussion

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16–17 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, 17 and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,

 

[TomL]

The watchtower is a magazine, Thus every sunday, worldwide using a watchtower alongside of the bible, every JW on earth just about gets the same spiritual feeding--it gives them unity of thought( 1 Cor 1:10)--Its absolutely no different than a sermon being preached that explains what the bible is teaching.

It's an organization you handed your mind over to.

 

[TomL]

No he cannot create. He can be used as Gods master worker and have things created through him.

Sorry scripture denotes he is the agent who did the creating

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

The "by" shows he did the actual creation

The "through" shows he was the agent The Father used to actually do the creating

 

[101G]

Easy... Three in One the Trinity

INDICATIONS OF GOD’S TRI-UNITY

In 1 Corinthians 8, Paul again affirms the oneness of God, but he brings in a new element. In the midst of a discussion of the issue of eating food items that had been offered to idols, a pastoral problem that came up in the Corinthian church, Paul says:

Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.1 Corinthians 8:1–6

The new element here is that Paul ascribes deity to Christ. He distinguishes between the Father and the Son, and he notes that all things are “from” the Father and “through” Christ, and that we exist “for” the Father and “through” the Son. Clearly, Paul is equating the Father and the Son in terms of Their divinity.

There are many passages in the New Testament that ascribe deity to Christ and to the Holy Spirit


R. C. Sproul, What Is the Trinity?

101G asked you is the Person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24 Who MADE ALL THINGS.... YES or NO?

101G.

 

[Aeliana]

101G asked you is the Person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24 Who MADE ALL THINGS.... YES or NO?

101G.

YES

 

[civic]

Sorry scripture denotes he is the agent who did the creating

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

The "by" shows he did the actual creation

The "through" shows he was the agent The Father used to actually do the creating

yes more scripture twisting to deny the Son and dishonor Him. Those who deny the Son, do not honor Him the Father will also deny.

 

[101G]

YES

Thank you, 101G commend you on being Honest, and truthful. this is the mark of a true child of God.
now, knowing this that the person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 and he was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF", then there are no other 2 PERSONS, for the term ALONE means, having no one else present. and if no one else present then A. there was no one else to go through. and B. the other two persons are not omni-present, meaning just as the bible says, NO "GOD" beside ME. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." and that's God as in,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

101G.

 

[101G]

yes more scripture twisting to deny the Son and dishonor Him. Those who deny the Son, do not honor Him the Father will also deny.

that "by" and "through" is the Son that was to come in flesh, but at Genesis 1:1 he is the ONE Spirit "I AM/Creator who is the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') that is of, of, of, of, H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. THE SAME ONE PERSON ONLY "EQUALLY SHARED" in flesh to come.

so TomL is in ERROR, and so are you. please understand that H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is the PLURAL or the Ordinal Last of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. THE SAME ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[civic]

that "by" and "through" is the Son that was to come in flesh, but at Genesis 1:1 he is the ONE Spirit "I AM/Creator who is the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') that is of, of, of, of, H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. THE SAME ONE PERSON ONLY "EQUALLY SHARED" in flesh to come.

so TomL is in ERROR, and so are you. please understand that H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is the PLURAL or the Ordinal Last of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. THE SAME ONE PERSON.

101G.

projecting again the error is the man you see in the mirror.

 

[101G]

projecting again the error is the man you see in the mirror.

projecting? or Prophecy. listen and Learn... ok. scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

do you understand that scripture? this answers the Genesis 1:26 & 27 US and OUR as well as Genesis 1:1.

101G.

 

[civic]

projecting? or Prophecy. listen and Learn... ok. scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

do you understand that scripture? this answers the Genesis 1:26 & 27 US and OUR as well as Genesis 1:1.

101G.

I understand the Son is not the Father- They are not each other just like you are not your Father or your Son. You are not your wife of your mother or sister or brother.

next fallacy

 

[101G]

the man you see in the mirror

the MAN in the mirror is God. for God came in flesh bone and blood as a MAN, but the NEW MAN.

I understand the Son is not the Father- They are not each other just like you are not your Father or your Son.

that's fleshly thinking. Listen even in the flesh, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." now, is Timothy Paul NATURAL/FLESHLY Son? no. but in FAITH... YES. now to curb your fleshly thinking, if you go fleshly son, then the Holy Ghost is the Father. listen and Learn. Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." if you want to go fleshly..... the Holy Spirit is the Father of that flesh. for the conceiver of flesh is the Father. so the Holy Spirit then is the true Father,

101G.

 

[civic]

the MAN in the mirror is God. for God came in flesh bone and blood as a MAN, but the NEW MAN.

that's fleshly thinking. Listen even in the flesh, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." now, is Timothy Paul NATURAL/FLESHLY Son? no. but in FAITH... YES. now to curb your fleshly thinking, if you go fleshly son, then the Holy Ghost is the Father. listen and Learn. Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." if you want to go fleshly..... the Holy Spirit is the Father of that flesh. for the conceiver of flesh is the Father. so the Holy Spirit then is the true Father,

101G.

its facts both in the physical and spiritual realms.

 

[101G]

its facts both in the physical and spiritual realms.

ERROR, so is the Holy Spirit the NATURAL Father of that child that Mary birthed? yes or No.

101G

 

[101G]

@civic,
you now have two of your three person that has the title "Father" ... and there is only "ONE" who is Father, which eliminate one of your three persons, which now leaves two, because the Holy Spirit is the conceiver of that Son. according to U..... which makes him, the Holy Spirit the Father.

101G.

 

[civic]

@civic,
you now have two of your three person that has the title "Father" ... and there is only "ONE" who is Father, which eliminate one of your three persons, which now leaves two, because the Holy Spirit is the conceiver of that Son. according to U..... which makes him, the Holy Spirit the Father.

101G.

no the Son is the Son, the Father is not the Son and the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father. They are not each other.

 

[Aeliana]

Thank you, 101G commend you on being Honest, and truthful. this is the mark of a true child of God.
now, knowing this that the person in John 1:3 is the same person in Isaiah 44:24 and he was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF", then there are no other 2 PERSONS, for the term ALONE means, having no one else present. and if no one else present then A. there was no one else to go through. and B. the other two persons are not omni-present, meaning just as the bible says, NO "GOD" beside ME. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." and that's God as in,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

101G.

That one person is part of the three in one God that make up the Trinity.

 

[101G]

no the Son is the Son, the Father is not the Son and the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father. They are not each other.

so you deny scriptures, and your own self.

101G.

 

[civic]

so you deny scriptures, and your own self.

101G.

you deny scripture, logic, reasoning and basic Greek, Hebrew, English, Lexicon definition of both singular and plural pronouns and persons singular and plural.

once again you are projecting and arguing a strawman.