Your Views on The Trinity

[TomL]

1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing this ride( Rev 6:2) and with the voice of the archangel= his voice. Or do you think Michael loans Jesus his voice?
Rev 19:11 the continuation of the ride of the white horse-Jesus is named--Rev 6:2= the war in heaven-Michael is named yet he receives his crown= only Jesus is Gods appointed king and will get the crown. Rev 12 explains Rev 6:2=the war in heaven( ride of the white horse) and the birth of Gods kingdom( he receives his crown)
Daniel 12:1--Michael stands up for Gods chosen in the last days))))= as Gods appointed king.
Dan 7:13-15--One like a son of man= (a created being) is appointed a kingship.
Heb 1:4-- Clearly shows if not given the name Jesus from God would be equal to the angels.
Psalm 45:7--You loved righteousness and hated wickedness that is why God, your God anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your (((partners( fellows))))= angels.

100% evidence Michael is who God sent-he sent his very best.

By your reasoning he must be God as he comes with the trumpet of God

In any case this proves he was uncreated

John 1:3 (LSB) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

 

[Affinity]

Lets add this:

Jesus is not Michael the archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel, for that matter). Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels: “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? Or again, ‘I will be His Father, and He will be my Son’? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, ‘Let all God’s angels worship Him.’ In speaking of the angels He says, ‘He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.’ But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The hierarchy of heavenly beings is made clear in this passage—angels worship Jesus who, as God, is alone worthy of worship. No angel is ever worshiped in Scripture; therefore, Jesus (worthy of worship) cannot be Michael or any other angel (not worthy of worship). The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6).

Michael the archangel is perhaps the highest of all the angels. Michael is the only angel in the Bible who is designated “the archangel” (Jude verse 9). Michael the archangel, though, is only an angel. He is not God. The clear distinction in the power and authority of Michael and Jesus can be seen in comparing Matthew 4:10 where Jesus rebukes Satan, and Jude verse 9, where Michael the archangel “dared not bring a judgment of blasphemy” against Satan and calls on the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus is God incarnate (John 1:1, 14). Michael the archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel.

Got?

You got it! The Bible tells us that the angels worship Jesus. How could a created being receive worship? A created being cannot receive worship.

In fact, when the apostle John fell down at an angel’s feet to worship him, the angel said, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God” Rev. 19:10 And Jesus is God.

 

[Runningman]

OKAY

 

[Keiw1]

By your reasoning he must be God as he comes with the trumpet of God

In any case this proves he was uncreated

John 1:3 (LSB) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

I showed what the trumpet does.

 

[TomL]

I showed what the trumpet does.

unrelated to what was stated

By your reasoning he must be God as he comes with the trumpet of God

In any case this proves he was uncreated

John 1:3 (LSB) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

 

[MTMattie]

God didn't create in Mary's womb, he put Jesus lifeforce in Mary's womb. He was Michael prior to earth.

So Michael was the Word? NOW we are getting someplace..... not

Such a scary thought is that one knows nothing of the man Jesus.

 

[MTMattie]

But there was a continuity of persons

A name change does not impact that

The Word became Jesus Christ

YES, I wrote... "I see it as the Word... who eventually became Jesus in the flesh. " Continuity.
But no one has come forward to explain why some people cannot understand this.
No one will say why they are afraid to understand this.

Its as if an outside force~ Σατανᾶς ~ is directing their thoughts to a person or persons who explain things that absolutely make no sense.

Such as was just responded to me a while ago.... by @Keiw1 "God didn't create in Mary's womb, he put Jesus lifeforce in Mary's womb. He was Michael prior to earth."
to my reply to

He created Jesus direct-first and last, then created all other things through his master worker=Jesus.

But the man who bled blood was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

If Jesus was already alive before creation...

First answer this.... NLT Matt 1-20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

So Jesus WAS conceived by the Holy Spirit....

Then... If Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and Jesus was created by God before there was even light on the earth....

IS THIS PROOF THAT THIS WAS A FORM OF REINCARNATION.

Careful... think about it.

I was jesting of course but there is something so off about what these folk are taught and told or see when they read themselves.

You have God allegedly creating.... How. I wonder, Jesus first. Then you have the Holy Spirit from whom Jesus was conceived in Mary.

Something is truly amiss here......

 

[MTMattie]

I showed what the trumpet does.

Dare I say it.... No/ Not worth a chastisement.... But I sooooooooo want to.

 

[TomL]

YES, I wrote... "I see it as the Word... who eventually became Jesus in the flesh. " Continuity.
But no one has come forward to explain why some people cannot understand this.
No one will say why they are afraid to understand this.

It's not that they cannot, but that they do not wish to as it will ruin their doctrine

 

[Keiw1]

unrelated to what was stated

By your reasoning he must be God as he comes with the trumpet of God

In any case this proves he was uncreated

John 1:3 (LSB) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

No only you twisting as usual because truth exposes your religions as false. And you cannot have that.

 

[Keiw1]

View attachment 1077 So Michael was the Word? NOW we are getting someplace..... View attachment 1078 not

Such a scary thought is that one knows nothing of the man Jesus.

The bible is filled with things about the man Jesus. Yet when i attended different trinity based religions, every preacher was being paid to teach a certain dogma and little of what Jesus taught. Then told the flock--you are saved= a croc.

 

[TomL]

No only you twisting as usual because truth exposes your religions as false. And you cannot have that.

LOL you have nothing to offer but denial of scripture

This proves Christ is uncreated

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

You are just as lost as the Unitarians

 

[Keiw1]

YES, I wrote... "I see it as the Word... who eventually became Jesus in the flesh. " Continuity.
But no one has come forward to explain why some people cannot understand this.
No one will say why they are afraid to understand this.

Its as if an outside force~ Σατανᾶς ~ is directing their thoughts to a person or persons who explain things that absolutely make no sense.

Such as was just responded to me a while ago.... by @Keiw1 "God didn't create in Mary's womb, he put Jesus lifeforce in Mary's womb. He was Michael prior to earth."
to my reply to

But the man who bled blood was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

If Jesus was already alive before creation...

First answer this.... NLT Matt 1-20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

So Jesus WAS conceived by the Holy Spirit....

Then... If Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and Jesus was created by God before there was even light on the earth....

IS THIS PROOF THAT THIS WAS A FORM OF REINCARNATION.

Careful... think about it.

I was jesting of course but there is something so off about what these folk are taught and told or see when they read themselves.

You have God allegedly creating.... How. I wonder, Jesus first. Then you have the Holy Spirit from whom Jesus was conceived in Mary.

Something is truly amiss here......

I don't have God creating. He placed the lifeforce of Michael into Mary's womb via holy spirit. God told them to name the child Jesus.
The way you put it sounds like the holy spirit had sex with Mary--its not how it occurred.

 

[Keiw1]

Dare I say it.... No/ Not worth a chastisement.... But I sooooooooo want to.

I explained carefully, you cannot prove a single word is error in my post.

 

[Keiw1]

LOL you have nothing to offer but denial of scripture

This proves Christ is uncreated

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

You are just as lost as the Unitarians

Take an English lesson-Through= another did the creating.

 

[TomL]

Take an English lesson-Through= another did the creating.

Duh if all things are created through him, he cannot be a thing as he cannot create himself

Better take some logic lessons and stop letting the watchtower think for you.

 

[MTMattie]

The bible is filled with things about the man Jesus. Yet when i attended different trinity based religions, every preacher was being paid to teach a certain dogma and little of what Jesus taught. Then told the flock--you are saved= a croc.

HMMMM. No one ever said those words to be. Not like that.

But then having been raised in a Calvin preaching church... it was assumed. Just not said.

 

[TomL]

The bible is filled with things about the man Jesus. Yet when i attended different trinity based religions, every preacher was being paid to teach a certain dogma and little of what Jesus taught. Then told the flock--you are saved= a croc.

So you gave up your mind to the watchtower to be its slave

 

[TomL]

He created Jesus direct-first and last, then created all other things through his master worker=Jesus.

Never stated anywhere in scripture

and ignoring

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

 

[MTMattie]

Never stated anywhere in scripture

and ignoring

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

Which is further explained in the full paragraph Nas95, leaving no doubt of who He is.

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.