Your Views on The Trinity

My view is...

I love the Trinity and I think we must either look within ourselves or outside of ourselves for the knowledge of God as a Trinity. This knowledge will be found in our own heart or mind or in something or someone outside of ourselves.
 
The bible is filled with things about the man Jesus. Yet when i attended different trinity based religions, every preacher was being paid to teach a certain dogma and little of what Jesus taught. Then told the flock--you are saved= a croc.
Tell us all, please, if you agree what the following teach....

All in this list are Non-Trin religions.

See what their basics are and how you agree with them, for each and every one of them may share one of your beliefs , however...
they all are as different from night and day... yet we never hear you comment against any of them. So perhaps you need to broaden yourself and look at a few more potential church homes.

The following religions are among those that reject the doctrine of the Trinity. The list is not exhaustive but encompasses several of the major groups and religious movements. Included is a brief explanation of each group's beliefs about the nature of God, revealing a deviation from the Trinity doctrine.
For comparison purposes, the biblical Trinity doctrine is defined by The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church as "The central dogma of Christian theology, that the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is one, yet self-differentiated; the God who reveals Himself to mankind is one God equally in three distinct modes of existence, yet remains one through all eternity."

Mormonism - Latter-day Saints

Founded By: Joseph Smith, Jr., 1830.
Mormons believe that God has a physical, flesh and bones, eternal, perfect body. Men have the potential to become gods as well. Jesus is God's literal son, a separate being from God the Father and the "elder brother" of men. The Holy Spirit is also a separate being from God the Father and God the Son. The Holy Spirit is regarded as an impersonal power or spirit being. These three separate beings are "one" only in their purpose, and they make up the Godhead.

Jehovah's Witnesses

Founded By: Charles Taze Russell, 1879. Succeeded by Joseph F. Rutherford, 1917.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God is one person, Jehovah. Jesus was Jehovah's first creation. Jesus is not God, nor part of the Godhead. He is higher than the angels but inferior to God. Jehovah used Jesus to create the rest of the universe. Before Jesus came to earth, he was known as the archangel Michael. The Holy Spirit is an impersonal force from Jehovah, but not God.

Christian Science

Founded By: Mary Baker Eddy, 1879.
Christian Scientists believe the Trinity is life, truth, and love. As an impersonal principle, God is the only thing that truly exists. Everything else (matter) is an illusion. Jesus, though not God, is the Son of God. He was the promised Messiah but was not a deity. The Holy Spirit is divine science in the teachings of Christian Science.

Armstrongism

(Philadelphia Church of God, Global Church of God, United Church of God)
Founded By: Herbert W. Armstrong, 1934.
Traditional Armstrongism denies a Trinity, defining God as "a family of individuals." Original teachings say Jesus did not have a physical resurrection and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force.

Christadelphians

Founded By: Dr. John Thomas, 1864.
Christadelphians believe God is one indivisible unity, not three distinct persons existing in one God. They deny the divinity of Jesus, believing he is fully human and separate from God. They do not believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, but merely a force—the "unseen power" from God.

Oneness Pentecostals

Founded By: Frank Ewart, 1913.
Oneness Pentecostals believe that there is one God and God is one. Throughout time God manifested himself in three ways or "forms" (not persons), as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Oneness Pentecostals take issue with the Trinity doctrine chiefly for its use of the term "person." They believe God cannot be three distinct persons, but only one being who has revealed himself in three different modes. It is important to note that Oneness Pentecostals do affirm the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Unification Church

Founded By: Sun Myung Moon, 1954.
Unification adherents believe that God is positive and negative, male and female. The universe is God's body, made by him. Jesus was not God, but a man. He did not experience a physical resurrection. In fact, his mission on earth failed and will be fulfilled through Sun Myung Moon, who is greater than Jesus. The Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. She collaborates with Jesus in the spirit realm to draw people to Sun Myung Moon.

Unity School of Christianity

Founded By: Charles and Myrtle Fillmore, 1889.
Similar to Christian Science, Unity adherents believe God is an unseen, impersonal principle, not a person. God is a force within everyone and everything. Jesus was only a man, not the Christ. He merely realized his spiritual identity as the Christ by practicing his potential for perfection. This is something all men can achieve. Jesus did not resurrect from the dead, but rather, he reincarnated. The Holy Spirit is the active expression of God's law. Only the spirit part of us is real; matter is not real.

Scientology - Dianetics

Founded By: L. Ron Hubbard, 1954.
Scientology defines God as Dynamic Infinity. Jesus is not God, Savior, or Creator, nor does he have control of supernatural powers. He is usually overlooked in Dianetics. The Holy Spirit is absent from this belief system as well. Men are "thetan" - immortal, spiritual beings with limitless capabilities and powers, though often they are unaware of this potential. Scientology teaches men how to achieve "higher states of awareness and ability" through practicing Dianetics.

Lets add these....

Unitarianism: Unitarians reject the trinity because they believe in monotheism and interpret scripture as saying that there is only one true God. Because of this, they view Jesus as a human prophet and teacher who was specially chosen by God, but not him or any other personages comprising part of a triune deity.

Oneness Pentecostalism: Oneness Pentecostals believe in the oneness of God, rejecting the idea of the Trinity. They believe that God exists as a single person, who manifests himself in three different ways: as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Judaism: Jews do ⁣not believe in the Trinity and adhere to a strict⁢ monotheistic belief in one God.

Islam:
⁢ Muslims also‌ reject the Trinity⁣ and believe⁣ in the absolute oneness of Allah.

Sikhism: Sikhism, a religion that originated in India, teaches belief in one God (Ik Onkar) and rejects the idea of the Trinity. Sikhs focus on living a righteous life and connecting with the divine through meditation‌ and service ⁣to‌ others.

Baha’i Faith: Followers of the Baha’i Faith also emphasize the unity of⁣ God and‍ reject the Trinity. They believe in the oneness of all religions and seek to ⁤promote world peace and unity among all peoples.
 
Which is further explained in the full paragraph Nas95, leaving no doubt of who He is.

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
Yes, Christ is clearly referred to

Colossians 1:12–18 (KJV 1900) — 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
 
Yes, Christ is clearly referred to

Colossians 1:12–18 (KJV 1900) — 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Amen who can read that and deny He is God, Lord over all, preeminent, Creator, exactly like God, and has no beginning like God who is before al created things. Only someone with an agenda, a bias and presuppositions which deny Christs Deity in Scripture could deny all the Scriptures which testify to His Deity.
 
Tell us all, please, if you agree what the following teach....

All in this list are Non-Trin religions.

See what their basics are and how you agree with them, for each and every one of them may share one of your beliefs , however...
they all are as different from night and day... yet we never hear you comment against any of them. So perhaps you need to broaden yourself and look at a few more potential church homes.

The following religions are among those that reject the doctrine of the Trinity. The list is not exhaustive but encompasses several of the major groups and religious movements. Included is a brief explanation of each group's beliefs about the nature of God, revealing a deviation from the Trinity doctrine.
For comparison purposes, the biblical Trinity doctrine is defined by The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church as "The central dogma of Christian theology, that the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is one, yet self-differentiated; the God who reveals Himself to mankind is one God equally in three distinct modes of existence, yet remains one through all eternity."


Mormonism - Latter-day Saints

Founded By: Joseph Smith, Jr., 1830.
Mormons believe that God has a physical, flesh and bones, eternal, perfect body. Men have the potential to become gods as well. Jesus is God's literal son, a separate being from God the Father and the "elder brother" of men. The Holy Spirit is also a separate being from God the Father and God the Son. The Holy Spirit is regarded as an impersonal power or spirit being. These three separate beings are "one" only in their purpose, and they make up the Godhead.


Jehovah's Witnesses

Founded By: Charles Taze Russell, 1879. Succeeded by Joseph F. Rutherford, 1917.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God is one person, Jehovah. Jesus was Jehovah's first creation. Jesus is not God, nor part of the Godhead. He is higher than the angels but inferior to God. Jehovah used Jesus to create the rest of the universe. Before Jesus came to earth, he was known as the archangel Michael. The Holy Spirit is an impersonal force from Jehovah, but not God.


Christian Science

Founded By: Mary Baker Eddy, 1879.
Christian Scientists believe the Trinity is life, truth, and love. As an impersonal principle, God is the only thing that truly exists. Everything else (matter) is an illusion. Jesus, though not God, is the Son of God. He was the promised Messiah but was not a deity. The Holy Spirit is divine science in the teachings of Christian Science.


Armstrongism

(Philadelphia Church of God, Global Church of God, United Church of God)
Founded By: Herbert W. Armstrong, 1934.
Traditional Armstrongism denies a Trinity, defining God as "a family of individuals." Original teachings say Jesus did not have a physical resurrection and the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force.


Christadelphians

Founded By: Dr. John Thomas, 1864.
Christadelphians believe God is one indivisible unity, not three distinct persons existing in one God. They deny the divinity of Jesus, believing he is fully human and separate from God. They do not believe the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, but merely a force—the "unseen power" from God.


Oneness Pentecostals

Founded By: Frank Ewart, 1913.
Oneness Pentecostals believe that there is one God and God is one. Throughout time God manifested himself in three ways or "forms" (not persons), as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Oneness Pentecostals take issue with the Trinity doctrine chiefly for its use of the term "person." They believe God cannot be three distinct persons, but only one being who has revealed himself in three different modes. It is important to note that Oneness Pentecostals do affirm the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.


Unification Church

Founded By: Sun Myung Moon, 1954.
Unification adherents believe that God is positive and negative, male and female. The universe is God's body, made by him. Jesus was not God, but a man. He did not experience a physical resurrection. In fact, his mission on earth failed and will be fulfilled through Sun Myung Moon, who is greater than Jesus. The Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. She collaborates with Jesus in the spirit realm to draw people to Sun Myung Moon.


Unity School of Christianity

Founded By: Charles and Myrtle Fillmore, 1889.
Similar to Christian Science, Unity adherents believe God is an unseen, impersonal principle, not a person. God is a force within everyone and everything. Jesus was only a man, not the Christ. He merely realized his spiritual identity as the Christ by practicing his potential for perfection. This is something all men can achieve. Jesus did not resurrect from the dead, but rather, he reincarnated. The Holy Spirit is the active expression of God's law. Only the spirit part of us is real; matter is not real.


Scientology - Dianetics

Founded By: L. Ron Hubbard, 1954.
Scientology defines God as Dynamic Infinity. Jesus is not God, Savior, or Creator, nor does he have control of supernatural powers. He is usually overlooked in Dianetics. The Holy Spirit is absent from this belief system as well. Men are "thetan" - immortal, spiritual beings with limitless capabilities and powers, though often they are unaware of this potential. Scientology teaches men how to achieve "higher states of awareness and ability" through practicing Dianetics.

Lets add these....

Unitarianism: Unitarians reject the trinity because they believe in monotheism and interpret scripture as saying that there is only one true God. Because of this, they view Jesus as a human prophet and teacher who was specially chosen by God, but not him or any other personages comprising part of a triune deity.

Oneness Pentecostalism: Oneness Pentecostals believe in the oneness of God, rejecting the idea of the Trinity. They believe that God exists as a single person, who manifests himself in three different ways: as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Judaism: Jews do ⁣not believe in the Trinity and adhere to a strict⁢ monotheistic belief in one God.

Islam:
⁢ Muslims also‌ reject the Trinity⁣ and believe⁣ in the absolute oneness of Allah.

Sikhism: Sikhism, a religion that originated in India, teaches belief in one God (Ik Onkar) and rejects the idea of the Trinity. Sikhs focus on living a righteous life and connecting with the divine through meditation‌ and service ⁣to‌ others.

Baha’i Faith: Followers of the Baha’i Faith also emphasize the unity of⁣ God and‍ reject the Trinity. They believe in the oneness of all religions and seek to ⁤promote world peace and unity among all peoples.
This about covers all non christian religions.
 
Amen who can read that and deny He is God, Lord over all, preeminent, Creator, exactly like God, and has no beginning like God who is before al created things. Only someone with an agenda, a bias and presuppositions which deny Christs Deity in Scripture could deny all the Scriptures which testify to His Deity.
Christ is flesh bone and blood. are you saying that flesh bone and blood created all things? yes or no.

101G.
 
The Son/God became man- see John 1:1-14.

hope this helps !!!
this is not what 101G asked. again, was the Christ, flesh bone and blood the PERSON, who made all things.

and since you suggested the Son/God... good, question, is the Son/God as you said,.... (IN THE BEGINNING at Genesis 1:1), flesh bone and blood? yes or no.

your answer please.

please note, 101G is not trying to argue, or prove you in error, but if 101G compromise on any point, 101G will be in ERROR... this is only a discussion for the truth.... ok.
 
this is not what 101G asked. again, was the Christ, flesh bone and blood the PERSON, who made all things.

and since you suggested the Son/God... good, question, is the Son/God as you said,.... (IN THE BEGINNING at Genesis 1:1), flesh bone and blood? yes or no.

your answer please.

please note, 101G is not trying to argue, or prove you in error, but if 101G compromise on any point, 101G will be in ERROR... this is only a discussion for the truth.... ok.
The Eternal Son became flesh- see John 1:1-14.

Prior to the Incarnation in John 1:14 the Son was not flesh.
 
this is not what 101G asked. again, was the Christ, flesh bone and blood the PERSON, who made all things.

and since you suggested the Son/God... good, question, is the Son/God as you said,.... (IN THE BEGINNING at Genesis 1:1), flesh bone and blood? yes or no.

your answer please.

please note, 101G is not trying to argue, or prove you in error, but if 101G compromise on any point, 101G will be in ERROR... this is only a discussion for the truth.... ok.
the Son/God took on, became, flesh bone and blood.
 
The Eternal Son became flesh- see John 1:1-14.

Prior to the Incarnation in John 1:14 the Son was not flesh.
Prior to the Incarnation in John 1:14 the Son was not flesh. THANK YOU, WHICH MEANS HE WAS "SPIRIT".

now the Persons. the Spirit, and there is only "ONE" Spirit, right. and you say three persons, one Spirit correct. so, the Spirit that was Incarnation in John 1:14 the Son who was in flesh bone and blood. question, "How much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') for that Spirit person called the Son while in that flesh. was it 1/3 of the Spirit in that flesh as the person you call the son, or was all the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh and blood.

your answer please.

101G
 
the Son/God took on, became, flesh bone and blood.
Good, so the Christ was not at Genesis 1:1 nor Genesis 1:26 when he MADE ALL THING as the ONE Spirit. now that he came in flesh and blood as 101G asked Civic, "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh see Phil. 2:7 for the G2758 κενόω kenoo. was it 1/3 for the person called the son, or all of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo.

your answer please.

101G.
 
Amen who can read that and deny He is God, Lord over all, preeminent, Creator, exactly like God, and has no beginning like God who is before al created things. Only someone with an agenda, a bias and presuppositions which deny Christs Deity in Scripture could deny all the Scriptures which testify to His Deity.
Absolutely true. Only one opposed to truth could do so
 
Good, so the Christ was not at Genesis 1:1 nor Genesis 1:26 when he MADE ALL THING as the ONE Spirit. now that he came in flesh and blood as 101G asked Civic, "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh see Phil. 2:7 for the G2758 κενόω kenoo. was it 1/3 for the person called the son, or all of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo.

your answer please.

101G.
The word who became flesh was

John 1:1–3 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
 
The word who became flesh was

John 1:1–3 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
For the Last time, "WITH", indicate the same one person. bible, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." NOW THIS, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." I, I, I, I, ... "ALSO" look up also.

now bible, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" look up "Alone", and the term "BY"... MYSELF. Last time,
BY, according to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English,
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

this is so easy, if people just read.

101G.
 
to all,
the Spirit that was in the Christ was made empty. scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
but that Spirit was God, bible, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" WITH God? yes, just as John 1:1c clearly states. but that same Spirit was
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

101G is just asking a simple question..... "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo ... MADE EMPTY for the son to come and dwell in that flesh and blood?

now to help you out, as my brother Civic always say, "hope this help". 101G is in the helping business also. so 101G will answer the question. listen carefully. all of the Spirit in the ECHAD of ordinal LAST was G2758 κενόω kenoo ... MADE EMPTY for the son to come and dwell in that flesh and blood? . hope this help.

101G.
 
Good, so the Christ was not at Genesis 1:1 nor Genesis 1:26 when he MADE ALL THING as the ONE Spirit. now that he came in flesh and blood as 101G asked Civic, "How much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh see Phil. 2:7 for the G2758 κενόω kenoo. was it 1/3 for the person called the son, or all of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo.

your answer please.

101G.
Sure He was, that was before He became one of us. One spirit three persons.

Our Triune God: One in Substance and Three in Person

The Bible speaks of the Father as God (Phil. 1:2), Jesus as God (Titus 2:13), and the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4).

While Jesus and the Father are both God, they are different Persons.
 
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