Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Peterlag]

When a man calls GOD a liar that will not bode well for any who do such a thing . repentance time .
I bet everyone here knows GOD is the alpha and omega , the first and the last .
YET WHY COME when JESUS SAID IT do so many then say , YOU A LIAR , you a liar , you a liar,
your words are false . You make a false claim . CAUSE You do realize that is what YOU BE A DOING . pretty scary for your sake my friend .

Here's some data on the holy spirit that you think is part of the trinity... https://walking-by-the-spirit.com/data-on-the-holy-spirit/

 

[Peterlag]

Not saying you , but its rather odd that i have seen that saying moving beyond the death of JESUS
and yet what they NOW LIVE FOR is STILL SIN . guess they aint moved beyond squat .
Cause that aint living at all , its death . Many claim to be great teachers
and often use some of pauls own words to move the church not into true growth , THOUGH IT CLIAMS TO DO SO ,
but rather into confusion , delusion , calling good evil and evil good . We bess learn our bibles
for our own selves .

1 Corinthians 2:4
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

 

[Peterlag]

well try telling that to this all inclusive diverse common ground interfaith seeking generation .
CAUSE THEY DARN SURE DONT PREACH CHRIST and HIM crucified .
THEY preach a love god that has made the road very very broad and accepts sins and EVEN UNBELIEF .
INTERFIATH IS OF ANTI CHRIST peterlag , and it will lead to the SOLUTION that will cause many lambs to BLEED .
Cause friend , SHEEP DONT HEED A LIE and wont conform and thus we gonna be seen as dangerous , as haters .
SO dont kiss the golden calf of intefiath , KISS THE SON .

I would respond if I understood what you said.

 

[Peterlag]

and?

The Bible is to teach one how to plug into Jesus Christ. Not to believe he's God.

 

[Doug Brents]

The Bible is to teach one how to plug into Jesus Christ. Not to believe he's God.

The Bible does teach that Jesus is God. But I can see that you are so steeped in Satan's lie that there is no reaching you. So I shake the dirt off me as a testimony about you, and surrender you to your just reward. But I will continue to pray for your salvation. Good by.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The Bible does teach that Jesus is God. But I can see that you are so steeped in Satan's lie that there is no reaching you. So I shake the dirt off me as a testimony about you, and surrender you to your just reward. But I will continue to pray for your salvation. Good by.

You did that which you could my friend . but many sure like to say to the alpah and omega , to the first and the last ,
YE ARE NO SUCH THING and we wont heed your words . That is deadly deadly dangerous . I sure pray he repent .
and SUPER fast too seeing that no man knows the day and hour , let alone the day their very soul might be required of them .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

If those who deny the diety of Christ are waiting for the day of the LORD
wherein all shall stand before HIM , to say to those who preached HE is alpah and omega , first and last ,
MY ADVICE to them is DO not wait for that day , you wont be proved right and we will not be proved wrong .
YOU GONNA SEE HE WHO SAID i am alpha and omega , the first and the last , AND buddies , ITS TOO LATE ON THAT DAY , YE CALLED HIM
the LIAR .

 

[Runningman]

So says you. But Scripture says differently. I'll trust Scripture over you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Verse?

Worshiping anything other than God is idolatry. And Jesus is worshiped as God in many places in Scripture.

Verse?

Isa 9:6-7 - "For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of armies will accomplish this."

This verse contains a failed prophecy in your version. He was never called those things in Scripture.

Try these versions which are grammatically valid:

Isaiah 9 (Brenton's Septuagint Translation LXX)
6For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

Isaiah 9 (CJB - Yeshayahu (Isaiah))
5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

This is a direct reference to Jesus, which is confirmed in references to this verse in:
Luke 2:11
Matt 1:23
1 John 5:20
Eph 2:14-18
Heb 1:8
Luke 1:35
Heb 7:2-3

I'll address these in a separate post.

You are taking this fact, that we will also partake of the divine nature, to mean that Jesus is not God. But your conclusion is false. We are able to partake of the divine nature because God partook in our physical nature and overcame it. He then gives to us His divine nature in exchange for our sinful nature. He cannot give what He does not posses.

This is a false conclusion. Jesus is a human who proved it's possible to be divine like God had initially commanded the Israelites.

Then have fun living in your blasphemous defiance of God.

That's not what I am doing.

 

[Runningman]

Luke 2:11
Matt 1:23
1 John 5:20
Eph 2:14-18
Heb 1:8
Luke 1:35
Heb 7:2-3

Luke 2:11 - Acts 2:36 teaches that God constructed or manufactured Jesus into the Lord and Christ. Means Jesus was turned into the Lord. This explains why he doesn't have the authority of God. (Matt 24:36, Acts 1:7, etc)

Matthew 1:23 - This only provides the definition of a name while on the other hand many people have a name that refers to God without themselves being God.
Abijah: "my father is YHWH"
Adonijah: "YHWH is the Lord"
Hezekiah: "YHWH strengthens"
Isaiah: "YHWH is salvation"
Jedediah: "friend of YHWH"
Jehu: "YHWH is He"
Jeremiah (Jeremy): "YHWH will raise"
Joel: "YHWH is God"
Jonathan: "YHWH has given"
Joseph: "YHWH shall increase"
Josiah: "YHWH saves"
Matityahu (Matthew): "gift of YHWH"
Micah/Micaiah: "who is like YHWH?"
Nehemiah: "YHWH comforts"
Obadiah: "servant of YHWH"
Toviyahu (Tobias): "the goodness of YHWH"
Uriah: "YHWH is my light"
Uzziah: "YHWH is my strength"
Yeho'ezer (Yoʼezer): "YHWH is my help"
Yehoshua (Joshua)/Yeshua (Jesus): "YHWH will save"
Yohanan (John): "graced by YHWH" or "YHWH is gracious"
Zechariah (Zachary): "YHWH has remembered"
Zephaniah: "hidden by YHWH"

1 John 5:20 - The only mentioned God in the context would be Jesus' Father, hence why he is the Son of God. John 17:3 says the Father is the only true God.

Eph. 2:14-18 - Please elaborate what your point is.

Hebrews 1:8 - This is a quote from Psalm 45:6 where the one in the context is not Jesus, but is a king with a queen. Jesus nor God had a queen in Scripture.

Luke 1:35 - and?

Hebrews 7:2-3 - and?

 

[Doug Brents]

This verse contains a failed prophecy in your version. He was never called those things in Scripture.

There is no such thing as a "failed prophecy". God is perfect, and He, being outside of time, can see all of time as though all of it were happening NOW. So when He tells us what will happen in our future, He cannot make a mistake, or give us a "false prophecy".

Try these versions which are grammatically valid:

Isaiah 9 (Brenton's Septuagint Translation LXX)
6For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

Isaiah 9 (CJB - Yeshayahu (Isaiah))
5For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

Neither of those translations are even remotely close to the original Hebrew text. I know, because I have several friends who speak, read, and write Hebrew as their native language. They don't read the English translation, they read the original work in the original language. And they tell me that the Scripture says that Jesus is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father.

That's not what I am doing.

If it's not, then confess Jesus as Lord and God, and cease this defiant, blasphemous, rebellious attempt to make Jesus out to be less than He is:
The Mighty Creator God of all that is, and supreme authority in everything.

 

[Runningman]

There is no such thing as a "failed prophecy". God is perfect, and He, being outside of time, can see all of time as though all of it were happening NOW. So when He tells us what will happen in our future, He cannot make a mistake, or give us a "false prophecy".

You are correct! But your version has a failed prophecy. Let's start... where was Jesus ever called Mighty God or Everlasting Father in Scripture?

Neither of those translations are even remotely close to the original Hebrew text. I know, because I have several friends who speak, read, and write Hebrew as their native language. They don't read the English translation, they read the original work in the original language. And they tell me that the Scripture says that Jesus is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father.

Your "Hebrew friends" seem to not know Hebrew very well. For starters, the singular form of what your version says is "mighty God" is gib·bō·wr ’êl, yet these very same words appear in their plural form in Ezekiel 32:21 as ḡib·bō·w·rîm ’ê·lê where your very same translators said the very words from Isaiah 9:6 mean "mighty chiefs, mighty leaders, strong/mighty, dominant/mighty" or some variation of that.

What you have in Isaiah 9:6 is considered a dogmatic translation and a failed prophecy. For example, Isaiah 9:6 says "he will be called" invoking the future tense then after that he was never called any of those things.

Ask your Hebrew friends about Ezekiel 32:21 and Isaiah 9:6.

If it's not, then confess Jesus as Lord and God, and cease this defiant, blasphemous, rebellious attempt to make Jesus out to be less than He is:
The Mighty Creator God of all that is, and supreme authority in everything.

Scripture says confess Jesus is Lord and to believe that God raised him from the dead. Cease your blasphemy about God being a man and quit your perpetuation of idolatry now.

 

[Marvelloustime]

If those who deny the diety of Christ are waiting for the day of the LORD
wherein all shall stand before HIM , to say to those who preached HE is alpah and omega , first and last ,
MY ADVICE to them is DO not wait for that day , you wont be proved right and we will not be proved wrong .
YOU GONNA SEE HE WHO SAID i am alpha and omega , the first and the last , AND buddies , ITS TOO LATE ON THAT DAY , YE CALLED HIM
the LIAR .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Peterlag]

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Just a side note: The all in that verse is all Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians. Same in Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Just a side note: The all in that verse is all Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians. Same in Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

IF even all jews and all gentiles are all under sin
THEN WHY do you and the BAHI and scores of others try and make believe
as though the other weeligoins or religoins be okay is they lovey doeed .
Many on here follow an entirely OTHER jesus . And under all duress and stress , i wont be captilizing that jesus . cause it AINT JESUS .
WHY are some running to interfaith finding common ground .
WHY are so many listening to a love call THAT JUST AINT OF GOD but rather of the world .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Soon all the deceived religoins and all the decieved within christendom
will rise under a saying
and they will be as one .
That saying will no longer imply you have to BELIEVE
it will imply YOU JUST HAVE TO LOVE . love . and they will chant as one GOD IS LOVE
GOD IS LOVE and they will truly hate and despise the true lambs who did not conform .
Under a powerful system , a digital system any and all who do not comply
to the inclusive love , WILL be cut out and seen as naught but potential terroists , dangerous , as haters
and the soluton will come , TO RID the earth of all who conformed not to what they all believed was love
As God . a strong delusoin has come and more and more will buy the lie and be damned . .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Just a side note: The all in that verse is all Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians. Same in Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Soon all the deceived religoins and all the decieved within christendom
will rise under a saying
and they will be as one .
That saying will no longer imply you have to BELIEVE
it will imply YOU JUST HAVE TO LOVE . love . and they will chant as one GOD IS LOVE
GOD IS LOVE and they will truly hate and despise the true lambs who did not conform .
Under a powerful system , a digital system any and all who do not comply
to the inclusive love , WILL be cut out and seen as naught but potential terroists , dangerous , as haters
and the soluton will come , TO RID the earth of all who conformed not to what they all believed was love
As God . a strong delusoin has come and more and more will buy the lie and be damned .

 

[synergy]

So Jesus chose to do what we need to choose to do. He isn't God because he has an inherently different will than God.

You just made a statement without any proof whatsoever. This is typical of heretics.

Even if we pretend Jesus is a god-man to humor you, neither the god nor the man had the same will as God, but instead had to make a choice to obey God. If Jesus was God, your philosophy would read like something like "God chose to have the will of God rather than God inherently having His own will." It's nonsense.

You forget that Jesus also has a human will. He showed how our human will can be aligned with God's will. There is no "nonsense" in those facts.

True to your name, you continue to run away from the following observation concerning Phil 2:6:

I take it that you believe that many besides Jesus are also "existing in the form of God"? Who else have you seen that has that same God form, without you being "high"?

 

[synergy]

It's going to be strange with Trins in heaven. Refusing the sing to God on the throne with us:

Revelation 7
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”

Huh? Why should we not sing praises to God on the throne?

 

[dwight92070]

It's going to be strange with Trins in heaven. Refusing the sing to God on the throne with us:

Revelation 7
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”

We'll be worshiping all three in One. It is you guys who will refuse to worship Jesus, that is, if you're even there.

 

[Runningman]

We'll be worshiping all three in One. It is you guys who will refuse to worship Jesus, that is, if you're even there.

No you won't be worshipping a three in one god. Listen, I am sure you love God, you just don't understand who He is. I can't see your idolatry being allowed in heaven though. It's going to get real awkward there with God and all of His children staring at you worshipping some imaginary concept that God, Jesus, the prophets, nor any of the disciples never talked about.