Thomas... My Lord and my God

Peterlag said:
Which verse says Jesus is God? Can you quote it?

John 1:1-3, 14
Click to expand...
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the LORD in Isaiah 44:24 is the Word, (the Lord), in John 1 who Made all things. supportive scripture, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." and it is the Word (John 1:1)/Lord (Rev 4:11) who sits on the throne.

the one who made all things is JESUS, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

in much GL.

101G.
 
101G said:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the LORD in Isaiah 44:24 is the Word, (the Lord), in John 1 who Made all things. supportive scripture, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." and it is the Word (John 1:1)/Lord (Rev 4:11) who sits on the throne.

the one who made all things is JESUS, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

in much GL.

101G.
Click to expand...
Which words from the following verses says Jesus is God. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
 
Runningman said:
No that's not it. Here's what you and the other Trinitarians, Oneness folk, other misc. groups are doing:

You basically have a verse here and there that all say a number of different things in various contexts and you put them all together to make a new story that no one ever explicitly talked about, i.e., Trinitarianism, etc.

We can basically make the Bible say anything we want by doing this.

For example, this is where the infamous Prosperity Gospel comes from. It's absolutely possible to preach a guarantee of monetary wealth onto Christians from the Bible when, in fact, God has not made any direct promises to anyone about any such thing from the Bible. Fortunately we can actually falsify this doctrine using real-world examples and experience.

One could make a doctrine about eternal security without repentance as well. People are likely doing these things as we speak.

There is a way to teach Paul as having pre-existed in the Garden of Eden, there is a way to teach Peter is Satan incarnate, etc. This is where the cults come from.

The point is there is a way to rightly divide the Bible and another way to go too far with an idea and completely miss the mark.

What does the Bible explicitly say? John 17:3 explicitly says the Father is the only true God. Personally, I find immense security in the directness of this statement. Do you believe He really is the ONLY true God? Because this is where Unitarianism comes from. The Bible directly says what we believe without mincing words.
Click to expand...

So you are saying that weird arguments that could be posed about Paul somehow can make your arguments logical even though you deny the obvious points about Christ's divinity?
 
Peterlag said:
Which words from the following verses says Jesus is God. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Click to expand...
listen, John 1:1c "and the Word was God."" and that same word was made flesh, and that which was made flesh was God, LISTEN,
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
if the Word was God, what is God NAME then. let the bible speak. Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying," Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

so that Word in John 1:1-3 is GOD that was made flesh, and his name is JESUS..... don't argue with 101G, nor with God, argue with yourself. for the scriptures are not Changing, neither God nor 101G. so, argue with yourself.

in much GL.

101G
 
101G said:
listen, John 1:1c "and the Word was God."" and that same word was made flesh, and that which was made flesh was God, LISTEN,
John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
if the Word was God, what is God NAME then. let the bible speak. Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying," Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

so that Word in John 1:1-3 is GOD that was made flesh, and his name is JESUS..... don't argue with 101G, nor with God, argue with yourself. for the scriptures are not Changing, neither God nor 101G. so, argue with yourself.

in much GL.

101G
Click to expand...
So just to be clear... there are no words in the Bible that say we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
 
Runningman said:
Yes I am the person to ask about God because I know who God is based on what Jesus said and personal experience, but if that's how you feel then why are you being a hypocrite and talking about who you feel God is?
Click to expand...
I have not told you who I think God is, or put myself forward as an authority on who God is. All I have done is point to the Scriptures, where God tells us for Himself who He is.
 
civic said:
Yes they do only a spiritually blind man would say otherwise.
Click to expand...
Speaking of spiritual blindness. It's a genuine marvel how you can't digest these verses.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

1 Cor. 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Eph. 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
 
Runningman said:
Now you're trying to tell us who you feel God is. Prove Jesus is God then.
Click to expand...
No, I did not say that I "feel" this is who God is.
You asked for Scripture that says that Jesus is God.
I provided the Scripture that says that Jesus is God.
I can't help you beyond that. I cannot believe for you.
You disbelieve the Scripture that says that Jesus is God. That is on you.
 
Doug Brents said:
No, I did not say that I "feel" this is who God is.
You asked for Scripture that says that Jesus is God.
I provided the Scripture that says that Jesus is God.
I can't help you beyond that. I cannot believe for you.
You disbelieve the Scripture that says that Jesus is God. That is on you.
Click to expand...
True, but I am telling you that's what you feel. I am saying you got the wrong idea about those verses. See my previous comment to civic. If Jesus is God then why did Jesus and Paul rule him out as God?
 
Runningman said:
True, but I am telling you that's what you feel. I am saying you got the wrong idea about those verses. See my previous comment to civic. If Jesus is God then why did Jesus and Paul rule him out as God?
Click to expand...
They did not rule Him out as God. You are misinterpreting those verses because you think they fit your preconception.

It does not get any clearer than John 1:1 - the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God, and John 1:14 and the Word became flesh and we have beheld Him.
So God (the logos of God) became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen Him and testify to Him.

Paul says that Jesus is Lord (the name which God gave Himself in the OT). All things were created by and through God, and all things were created by and through Jesus. This makes Jesus God.
 
Doug Brents said:
They did not rule Him out as God. You are misinterpreting those verses because you think they fit your preconception.

It does not get any clearer than John 1:1 - the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God, and John 1:14 and the Word became flesh and we have beheld Him.
So God (the logos of God) became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen Him and testify to Him.

Paul says that Jesus is Lord (the name which God gave Himself in the OT). All things were created by and through God, and all things were created by and through Jesus. This makes Jesus God.
Click to expand...
No I think it's the other way around. Jesus said the Father is the ONLY true God. That would mean there are no other possible Gods in the same status as the Father. The Father is Lord God Almighty (something Jesus is never called in the Bible) but rather Jesus is elohim, which Jesus and many others are called. Then there is still 1 Cor. 8:6 and Eph. 4:6 that explicitly say the only God is the Father. Paul, Jesus, and all of the other disciples defined God as a single person known as the Father or YHWH. Words have meaning. Jesus is ruled out as being God Almighty by scripture.
 
Doug Brents said:
It doesn't matter what you think. What matters is what Scripture says.
Click to expand...
Then we agree Jesus isn't God.

Doug Brents said:
YHWH means Lord. It is not a name. It is the Father's title, and it is Jesus' title.
Click to expand...
YHWH is not a title, it's a personal name.

H3068. Yhvh
Strong's Lexicon
Yhvh: LORD (often rendered in all capital letters in English translations to distinguish it from other titles)
Original Word: יְהוָֹה
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yhovah
Pronunciation: yah-VEH or yah-WEH
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Definition: LORD (often rendered in all capital letters in English translations to distinguish it from other titles)
Meaning: Jehovah
 
Runningman said:
Then we agree Jesus isn't God.
Click to expand...
Do not ascribe your misconceptions and improper interpretation of Scripture to me.
I do not agree with you on much of anything that I have read that you have posted so far.
Runningman said:
YHWH is not a title, it's a personal name.

H3068. Yhvh
Strong's Lexicon
Yhvh: LORD (often rendered in all capital letters in English translations to distinguish it from other titles)
Original Word: יְהוָֹה
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yhovah
Pronunciation: yah-VEH or yah-WEH
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Definition: LORD (often rendered in all capital letters in English translations to distinguish it from other titles)
Meaning: Jehovah
Click to expand...
When there is only one who qualifies for a title, that title is synonymous with that one's name.
 
Doug Brents said:
Do not ascribe your misconceptions and improper interpretation of Scripture to me.
I do not agree with you on much of anything that I have read that you have posted so far.

When there is only one who qualifies for a title, that title is synonymous with that one's name.
Click to expand...
Jesus is never called YHWH in the Bible. That's what I keep trying to show you guys. Very few believers in the true God anymore.
 

Similar threads

D
Who was the Book of John Addressed to?
19 20 21
Replies
403
Views
3K
GodsGrace
GodsGrace
civic
Worship God
Replies
4
Views
121
360watt
3
civic
You shall worship the Lord you God only.
3 4 5
Replies
87
Views
1K
mikesw
M
MTMattie
Revelation 20:5 “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”
Replies
3
Views
75
Red Baker
R
3
The impossible
Replies
2
Views
23
360watt
3
Back
Top Bottom