Things that accompany Christ !

[brightfame52]

Carry on with your dirt poor language skills where you don't even know the difference between the word "the' and the word "my".

Yes Just His Sheep, and you dont know what you talking about !

 

[synergy]

Yes Just His Sheep, and you dont know what you talking about !

Wrong. Christ laid down His life for "the sheep", not just "my sheep".

(John 10:11) “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

All Heretics have dirt poor language skills and you're no exception. You don't even know the difference between the word "the' and the word "my". Ask for your English Language Classes money back.

 

[brightfame52]

@synergy

(John 10:11) “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Hey genius, the sheep here is in the Genitive case with the definite article. So the Sheep here are His Own Sheep. The Genitive,

• Genitive
  This case indicates possession or a close association between nouns. It often translates to "of" or "from" in English. For example, in the phrase "το βιβλίο του παιδιού" ("the child's book"), "του παιδιού" is in the genitive case.
  One translation reads:
  
  
• 11 `I am the good shepherd. I am the one who really cares for the sheep. The good shepherd is willing to die to save his sheep. WWE

 

[Obadiah]

@brightfame52

Jesus’ death was divinely appointed. It is only through Him that we receive salvation. “I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own” John 10:14

Furthermore, Jesus makes it clear that it wasn’t just for the Jews that he laid down His life, but also for the “other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” John 10:16

The “other sheep” clearly refers to the Gentiles. As a result, Jesus is the Good Shepherd over all, both Jew and Gentile, who come to believe upon Him John 3:16

 

[brightfame52]

@brightfame52

Jesus’ death was divinely appointed. It is only through Him that we receive salvation. “I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own” John 10:14

Furthermore, Jesus makes it clear that it wasn’t just for the Jews that he laid down His life, but also for the “other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” John 10:16

The “other sheep” clearly refers to the Gentiles. As a result, Jesus is the Good Shepherd over all, both Jew and Gentile, who come to believe upon Him John 3:16

What about them who dont come to believe on Him. Were they His Sheep He died for ? Yes or No

 

[Obadiah]

What about them who dont come to believe on Him. Were they His Sheep He died for ? Yes or No

Yes or No or LoL

More seriously, what sort of God is the God who determines the eternal destinies of his human creation by means of symmetric predestination? Recall that according to symmetric predestination God actively had in mind men and women who would never, and indeed could never, find salvation because they were predestined by God before the foundation of the world to be consigned to hell.

Furthermore, such a predestination is supposedly for the glory of God. How, exactly, is God glorified in unconditionally consigning people to hell? Nowhere in Scripture is God said to be glorified for acting unilaterally and unconditionally in such an evil manner. On the contrary, God is glorified when his goodness, wisdom, kindness, and so on is recognized and appreciated.

 

[TomL]

If one doesnt become a believer in Christ, a follower like Jn 10:26-27

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Then Christ didn't die for them, for following Him is a benefit of His Death

Scripture you never address

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/things-that-accompany-christ.1636/post-131508

 

[TomL]

Too bad you think like that, for its definitely the Gospel, Ive elaborated on that in a thread here.

A false gospel

 

[brightfame52]

Yes or No or LoL

More seriously, what sort of God is the God who determines the eternal destinies of his human creation by means of symmetric predestination? Recall that according to symmetric predestination God actively had in mind men and women who would never, and indeed could never, find salvation because they were predestined by God before the foundation of the world to be consigned to hell.

Furthermore, such a predestination is supposedly for the glory of God. How, exactly, is God glorified in unconditionally consigning people to hell? Nowhere in Scripture is God said to be glorified for acting unilaterally and unconditionally in such an evil manner. On the contrary, God is glorified when his goodness, wisdom, kindness, and so on is recognized and appreciated.

What about them who dont come to believe on Him. Were they His Sheep He died for ? Yes or No

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture you never address

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/things-that-accompany-christ.1636/post-131508

If one doesnt become a believer in Christ, a follower like Jn 10:26-27

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Then Christ didn't die for them, for following Him is a benefit of His Death

 

[TomL]

If one doesnt become a believer in Christ, a follower like Jn 10:26-27

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Then Christ didn't die for them, for following Him is a benefit of His Death

Scripture you never address

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/things-that-accompany-christ.1636/post-131508

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture you never address

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/things-that-accompany-christ.1636/post-131508

If one doesnt become a believer in Christ, a follower like Jn 10:26-27

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Then Christ didn't die for them, for following Him is a benefit of His Death

 

[TomL]

If one doesnt become a believer in Christ, a follower like Jn 10:26-27

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Then Christ didn't die for them, for following Him is a benefit of His Death

Scripture you never address

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/things-that-accompany-christ.1636/post-131508

 

[Obadiah]

What about them who dont come to believe on Him. Were they His Sheep He died for ? Yes or No

They made a free will choice to not believe in Jesus. They were non believers, but Christ did die for them.

He died for everyone so that those who receive his new life will no longer live for themselves. Instead, they will live for Christ, who died and was raised for them. 2 Corinthians 5:15

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture you never address

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/things-that-accompany-christ.1636/post-131508

If one doesnt become a believer in Christ, a follower like Jn 10:26-27

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Then Christ didn't die for them, for following Him is a benefit of His Death

 

[Jay]

Christ Did die for then. But their stubbornness is exactly that: a willful refusal to follow truth (John 5:39–40). They cannot understand because they don't want to understand.

My sheep hear My voice also highlights the call of Jesus Christ that brings believers into a new and abundant life of fellowship with Him (Romans 8:28–30). Jesus as the Good Shepherd calls us by name (John 10:3; Isaiah 45:3–4), and He knows us by name (Exodus 33:17).

My sheep hear My voice speaks of those who listen with obedient attention—this kind of listening results in faith. Paul taught the Romans, “Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ” (Romans 10:17). One primary way we hear the Lord’s voice is through the Word of God. By hearing His voice in Scripture, we get to know Him, and knowing Him produces faith, and that faith causes us to follow and obey.

BibleHub

 

[brightfame52]

They made a free will choice to not believe in Jesus. They were non believers, but Christ did die for them.

He died for everyone so that those who receive his new life will no longer live for themselves. Instead, they will live for Christ, who died and was raised for them. 2 Corinthians 5:15

He died for them who come to believe on Him,for that comes with His Death, so if one never becomes a believer, He could not have died for them. Now if you believe He died for everyone, and everyone doesnt believe in Him, then you condition salvation on what man does, thats false religion against grace.

 

[brightfame52]

@Jay

Christ Did die for then. But their stubbornness is exactly that: a willful refusal to follow truth (John 5:39–40). They cannot understand because they don't want to understand.

So Christ didn't die for the sin of stubbornness? He didn't die for their unbelief ?

 

[Jay]

@Jay



So Christ didn't die for the sin of stubbornness? He didn't die for their unbelief ?

He died for sin. It's known as the Atonement. The death of Jesus was part of a divine plan to save humanity. The death and resurrection of Jesus is at the very heart of the Christian faith. It's through Jesus's death that people's broken relationship with God is restored.

We are born again. We are set free from sin and death.

 

[Obadiah]

He died for them who come to believe on Him,for that comes with His Death, so if one never becomes a believer, He could not have died for them. Now if you believe He died for everyone, and everyone doesnt believe in Him, then you condition salvation on what man does, thats false religion against grace.

God gives us the free will to chose Him or reject Him. Salvation is about what Jesus did, we chose to believe and abide in Him or chose to reject Him and remain unsaved.

It's not a condition of mine, it's in the Bible.