Things that accompany Christ !

[brightfame52]

Jesus death produced His Spiritual generation,it produced millions of followers Jn 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

The word fruit karpós means:

the fruit of one's loins, i. e. his progeny, his posterity

This is a Spiritual progeny, His generation Isa 53:8,10

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

His seed

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Notice in 12:24 if He dies,it [His death]bringeth forth much fruit. The words "bringeth forth" means :

. to bear i. e. bring forth, produce;

Jesus death will produce believers, followers, servants of His, a serving seed Ps 22:30

A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

This accompanies the death of Christ !

 

[TomL]

Jesus death produced His Spiritual generation,it produced millions of followers Jn 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

The word fruit karpós means:

the fruit of one's loins, i. e. his progeny, his posterity

This is a Spiritual progeny, His generation Isa 53:8,10

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

His seed

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Notice in 12:24 if He dies,it [His death]bringeth forth much fruit. The words "bringeth forth" means :

. to bear i. e. bring forth, produce;

Jesus death will produce believers, followers, servants of His, a serving seed Ps 22:30

A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

This accompanies the death of Christ !

Christ's death provided a salvation available for all . it did not effect that that salvation apart from onne first having a relationship with Christ built upon faith

 

[brightfame52]

Christ's death provided a salvation available for all . it did not effect that that salvation apart from onne first having a relationship with Christ built upon faith

Jesus death produced His Spiritual generation,it produced millions of followers Jn 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

The word fruit karpós means:

the fruit of one's loins, i. e. his progeny, his posterity

 

[TomL]

Jesus death produced His Spiritual generation,it produced millions of followers Jn 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

The word fruit karpós means:

the fruit of one's loins, i. e. his progeny, his posterity

Nope

Christ's death provided a salvation available for all . it did not effect that that salvation apart from one first having a relationship with Christ built upon faith

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

Christ's death provided a salvation available for all . it did not effect that that salvation apart from one first having a relationship with Christ built upon faith

Jesus death produced fruit, believers, followers,you deny the very words of Jesus Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jesus is the corn of wheat,it dies, causing much fruit, thats believers,saving people ,

John 12:24 (KJB)Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. I live a short distance from many farms and as you ride through them you are riding through corn fields on both sides. If a kernel of corn is left on a table, it does nothing but sit there. If you take that same kernel of corn and plant it, it then combines with the nutrients of the soil plus the rain, and the hand of God as the true husbandman. The corn stalk then grows very high and soon the ears of corn start to form and eventually they fully mature and are ready for picking. Jesus is stating the same principle. The kernel of corn must die and be planted for it to sprout and bear fruit. Jesus will soon die for the sins of His people and when He is resurrected those people will be justified. (Rom 4:25 KJV) Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. Once Christ goes to the cross, is resurrected, and then ascends to the Father’s right hand, then comes the mass evangelism of the world. Satan would be bound and could no longer stop anyone from being saved. We see the progression. First three thousand are saved on Pentecost. (Acts 2:41 KJV) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Then the next number mentioned is five thousand. (Acts 4:4 KJV) Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand. Then in the next sixty years, world evangelism begins. The Roman empire is evangelized along with North Africa and Europe. Then it spreads out further to India by Thomas and then the whole world through the Great Missionary movement of the eighteenth and nineteenth century and now for the first time in history, the gospel is in every country in the world via the Internet. https://www.scionofzion.com/gospel_of_john_12_21_25.htm

 

[brightfame52]

Both Faith and Repentance are works of God in the Elect premised on the Death of Christ, they accompany the Salvation He obtained for them, hence they should be preached in His Name Lk 24:46-47

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Thats why Peter preached that Jesus gives repentance and remission of sins to the elect portion of mankind, Israel

Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give[in His Name] repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Christ being the Saviour had come to give repentance and forgiveness to those Elect in Israel who were to be saved. (2 Tim 2:25 KJV) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; God is the one who grants repentance which is a synonym for salvation. This verse is not stating that the Lord Jesus Christ is limiting salvation to the physical nation of Israel because with His sacrifice complete and the gospel now going to the world, the name “Israel” has now been widened to describe all those who are saved. The name “Israel” means “Prince with God.” Those who are saved in Christ are called “Princes” or “Princesses” because we are children of the King. Those who are unsaved are not real Israel because they are children of the Devil.https://www.scionofzion.com/acts_5_31_36.htm

 

[brightfame52]

New Birth or regeneration accompanies the death of Christ. All for whom He died and rose again, will by the power of His resurrection be made alive spiritually or given a new birth 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Paul calls it the power of His Resurrection Phil 3:10

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

This causes their believing Eph 1:19-20

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

 

[civic]

Yes Just His Sheep

nope the lost sheep too.

next fallacy

 

[civic]

New Birth or regeneration accompanies the death of Christ. All for whom He died and rose again, will by the power of His resurrection be made alive spiritually or given a new birth 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Paul calls it the power of His Resurrection Phil 3:10

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

This causes their believing Eph 1:19-20

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

nope faith comes before one is saved/born again- faith comes first after hearing the gospel then after one believes and reveives the gospel they become born again, a child of Gof and are saved given eternal life.

you once again add to scripture a big no no.

 

[brightfame52]

See when Christ rose from the dead, He did it not as a private person, but as the Head of His Body the Church, so Mystically they rose with Him and so must also experience a spiritual and physical resurrection from the dead as well Rom 6:9-11

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 6:3-5

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

 

[civic]

See when Christ rose from the dead, He did it not as a private person, but as the Head of His Body the Church, so Mystically they rose with Him and so must also experience a spiritual and physical resurrection from the dead as well Rom 6:9-11

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 6:3-5

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

no its allegory and believers are raised with Christ to newness of life.

our resurrection is future, His was past and He broght with Him a host of captives- the OT saints, not N.T. believers.

 

[brightfame52]

A Purging of the conscience to properly serve the Living God. All for whom Christ died, shed His precious blood, they shall have their conscience purged so that they shall serve God

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

This accompanies Christ death for one,, and it presupposes that one will be renewed by the Spirit,Sanctificationof the Spirit ! We cant serve God right but in Spirit and Truth

The word serve in Heb 9:14 is the same word worship in Phil 3:3

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Jesus Christ Blood causes this worship of God !

 

[civic]

A Purging of the conscience to properly serve the Living God. All for whom Christ died, shed His precious blood, they shall have their conscience purged so that they shall serve God

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

This accompanies Christ death for one,, and it presupposes that one will be renewed by the Spirit,Sanctificationof the Spirit ! We cant serve God right but in Spirit and Truth

The word serve in Heb 9:14 is the same word worship in Phil 3:3

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Jesus Christ Blood causes this worship of God !

uh duh he is talking about those who are already believers.

next fallacy.

 

[brightfame52]

uh duh he is talking about those who are already believers.

next fallacy.

He is writing to elect believers, and explaining how they became believers from dead works, by the efficacy of Christs Blood.

BTW the entire scripture is written to believers. Now according to Heb 9:14 what was it that purged their conscience to serve the Living God ?

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

[civic]

He is writing to elect believers, and explaining how they became believers from dead works, by the efficacy of Christs Blood.

BTW the entire scripture is written to believers. Now according to Heb 9:14 what was it that purged their conscience to serve the Living God ?

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

nope elect was not in the passage you added to scripture again.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

nope elect was not in the passage you added to scripture again.

next fallacy

The hebrews are a elect people

 

[civic]

The hebrews are a elect people

like the elect Jews/Israelites who died in unbelief and rebellion against YHWH in the wilderness.

the chosen frozen.

so much for election, sheep, chosen etc........

no faith no salvation

 

[brightfame52]

like the elect Jews/Israelites who died in unbelief and rebellion against YHWH in the wilderness.

the chosen frozen.

so much for election, sheep, chosen etc........

no faith no salvation

He was writing an elect people,not all mankind. Wasnt the nation of Israel a chosen people ? Who was the High Priest for ? Was he for all mankind ?

 

[civic]

He was writing an elect people,not all mankind. Wasnt the nation of Israel a chosen people ? Who was the High Priest for ? Was he for all mankind ?

yet those chosen people all died in unbelief.

next fallacy, unbiblical argument.

 

[brightfame52]

yet those chosen people all died in unbelief.

next fallacy, unbiblical argument.

Were the Hebrews a elect people ?