In an over-simplified view of God and on the assumption that Jesus' was not also living incarnate, having to also reveal to others the devotion they should have, and also conforming his will in his humanness, you might have a point. I would prefer to work out the details in light of the uniqueness of God and the situation of the incarnation of the Son to be among us.
The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth
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In an over-simplified view of God and on the assumption that Jesus' was not also living incarnate, having to also reveal to others the devotion they should have, and also conforming his will in his humanness, you might have a point. I would prefer to work out the details in light of the uniqueness of God and the situation of the incarnation of the Son to be among us.
Micaiah
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The entire doctrine of the Trinity is built upon silence of the holy scriptures.
I don’t understand the urgency of some to defend such a doctrine that has no strong unassailable evidence.
If I type 12*10 = and don't provide an answer, your logically consistent response would be that there is no possible answer. The Trinity is an overview and clarification of details in scripture that otherwise would be overlooked by people who fail to understand the complexity of God and his plan of restoration of the world. The Trinity is to help avoid following inconsistent conceptions of Christ Jesus in the scriptures (and of the Spirit).
Pure speculation on your part. I at least tied in 2 verses that contained God's name "I Am".
Thomas, amongst others, realized that when he exclaimed "My Lord and My God!". He shouted it for all to hear. Are you listening?
Micaiah
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The Trinity would be “overlooked” precisely because it’s an unbiblical teaching.
God’s complexity cannot be learned.
And to create an answer for this complexity with an invented theological system is a monumental error. Just like the Jews who created their own theological system with the Talmudic writings, so have Christians created their own doctrines as well. Fleshly man just cannot submit themselves to the full authority of the sacred writings.
This is already understood without the Trinity charade.
One gets a consistent understanding of Christ Jesus out of the holy scriptures alone.
Anti-Trinitarians run away from the obvious. They will avoid a common sense bible like the plague.
Micaiah
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It would not be unreasonable for anyone to make that same exclamation regarding any bizarre event that suddenly manifests itself before one’s eyes.
That wouldn’t automatically mean that the thing that caused the shock is literally the thing exclaimed.
These are not logical statements. Maybe you are aware that even among Christians there are different conceptions of scripture and the nature of the God. For you to simplify this to your satisfaction is to deny the obvious. The basic details of scripture are simple but the depths of understanding of scripture defy simple determinations about God and Christ
Micaiah
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I haven’t avoided any of the trinitarian claims.
I have answered them with common sense and scripture.
I haven’t even cited unbiblical sources like the trinitarians have done in this thread.
Micaiah
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And that’s because nobody obeys the scripture.
As it is written:
“…every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation…” (1 Corinthians 14:26, KJV)
O yea? Tell us exactly where you responded to @mikesw's highlighted factual observation below?
Stop calling Ex 3:14 an "unbiblical source". You are only embarrassing yourself.
Micaiah
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I already covered that trinitarian claim.
Are you guys more enlightened than the inspired writers of the holy scriptures?
None of the inspired writers claimed Jesus was God and none of them even quoted Exodus 3:14 for any doctrinal teaching whatsoever. Yet here we are with men trying to ram a spurious teaching down our throats with Exodus 3:14 attached to John 8:58.
Micaiah
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Furthermore, I wasn’t calling Exodus 3:14 an unbiblical source.
Someone posted a link to “10” Bible passages supporting the Trinity. That’s what I was referring to as unbiblical sources; the explanations contained therein.
The sources of those explanations are the "10" Bible passages. So stop calling those 10 Bible passages "unbiblical sources".
Micaiah
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I put what you missed it in BOLD TEXT for you:
Someone posted a link to “10” Bible passages supporting the Trinity. That’s what I was referring to as unbiblical sources; the explanations contained therein.
Seems you reply in haste without bothering to read everything…
You missed the video that shows how the writers often speak of Jesus as God and Christ. It addresses the Greek but shows the English equivalent at times
Isn't it nice to have people smarter than us to inform us of details we need to know?
The sources are the Bible verses, not explanations. So again, stop calling those 10 Bible passages "unbiblical sources".
Micaiah
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You either have a comprehension problem or you just dismiss whatever I say.
If you don’t want to have a discussion just stop replying.
Micaiah
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Jesus mentioned God's name, as recorded in Ex 3:14, and that's not good enough for you?
All of John's recorded writing are of vital events. So John 8:58 is not as spurious as you make it out to be. Your attempt to trivialize it will not work. Not now not ever.
