The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth

[mikesw]

Jesus has a distinct spirit from God and so do we, yes we can also have the Spirit of God without being God. You're close to putting the puzzle pieces together.

Matthew 12
18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Romans 8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Interesting. Rom 8:9-11 includes the whole Trinity. That's cool to share that.
One thing first realized here is that the Spirit of God is equivalent to the Spirit of Christ such that both are of the Godhead. At the same time the Spirit is shown as distinct within the Godhead.
This ambiguity and multifaceted interactions of the three in the Godhead of course is part of the reason we recognize the Trinity essence of God.
Thanks for sharing another Triune passage.

 

[DavidTree]

Strange conclusion since other beings who have a spirit are not a compound being of persons, but rather one person. What you wrote demonstrates to me that you don't understand that a spirit is not a separate person.

God also has a soul. So is a soul a 4th person?

Leviticus 26
11And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

Is God a separate person???

 

[Keiw1]

One must come to and know YHWH YAHshua in order to know the FATHER

YHWH Says: "IAM the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME" = Isaiah 26:1-4

“We have a strong city;
God will appoint salvation for walls and bulwarks.
Open the gates,
That the righteous nation which keeps the truth may enter in.
You will keep him in perfect peace,
Whose mind is stayed on You,
Because he trusts in You.
Trust in the Lord forever,
For in Yah, the Lord, is everlasting strength. = YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach

Jesus said-i am the way the truth, etc, Jehovah did not say that. You are twisting your life into darkness and will lose.

 

[Keiw1]

GINOLJC, to all. also to @Runningman, @DavidTree, @civic, and @Fred. not to argue, but to reveal who the Lord Jesus is. God almighty, ONE PERSON. follow this post carefully.

Keiw1, Simple English, right .... but you failed in context. if God gave a revelation to the Lord Jesus and many say he is God, (which he is), then the Lord Jesus is not omniscient if he's IGNORANT of any Revelation. and remember this is after his resurrection and he has ALL POWER. well a commentary on verse one by Adam Clarke, at least he got is right. and ON TOP OF THAT the scriptures themselves tells us that the Revelation was not given to the Lord Jesus, but by the Lord JESUS, (GOD).

LISTEN and LEARN. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

see that statement, "to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass" is repeated in 22:6, listen

Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

see those same STATEMENTS: "to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass"
"to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

and who was the ONE to SHOW John these things, answer the Lord God of the holy prophets. Listen, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

the Lord God Gave him, (John the Revelation), and who is the Lord God that sent his angel? let the bible answer this, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

the Lord God of the holy prophets who sent his angel to John with this revelation is JESUS, yes "God" in verse 1.

for the Lord God is JESUS ........ who is God in verse 1. that's a give me.


if you let the HOLY SPIRIT Lead you ..... then you will have, context, contest, and searching of the scriptures produces TRUTH, with the Holy Spirit leading. 101G been saying LET the HOLY SPIRIT ...... LEAD/GUIDE us in ...... "ALL TRUTH". it's just that easy. now we suggest you re-read this post so you may get clarity and understanding as to "WHO" the Lord Jesus REALLY IS...... God, and God alone.

hope this Help

101G.

P.S. for all who been saying that "God" in Revelation 1:1 is the Father, Oh yes, the Lord JESUS. now ..... that one knows this revelation within revelation, one might want to really consider what you been taught. there is no shame in changing one mind, (which is called repentance), but staying in Ignorance after hearing and seeing the TRUTH, is not acceptable.

When Jesus ascended he sat at Gods right hand= 2 beings-God and Jesus sitting at his right hand. Thus Jesus is not God.

 

[Keiw1]

Absolutely. You obviously have a very clear grasp on basic reading comprehension. Your understanding not only aligns with English grammar, but is theologically sound.

Its the same at John 1:1-In simple English trinity religions are teaching-2nd line And God( Word) was with God.=2 Gods. Not to forget their other God=holy spirit.

 

[Runningman]

Its the same at John 1:1-In simple English trinity religions are teaching-2nd line And God( Word) was with God.=2 Gods. Not to forget their other God=holy spirit.

They get around it by converting God into a substance or essence and then dividing God up into an equally distributable ingredient that can be in others. Some of their major weaknesses are Scripture and the train wreck that is the Athanasian Creed.

 

[Runningman]

Is God a separate person???

Yes sir. That's what I believe anyway. I am firm on the only God being the Father as John 17:1-3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Ephesians 4:6 says. Aside from the Bible just coming right out and saying it, I have also narrowed it down to this based on everything I have read.

 

[Runningman]

Interesting. Rom 8:9-11 includes the whole Trinity. That's cool to share that.

Does it though? Where does it say they are a Trinity?

One thing first realized here is that the Spirit of God is equivalent to the Spirit of Christ such that both are of the Godhead. At the same time the Spirit is shown as distinct within the Godhead.

Or maybe they are called by different tiles because they aren't the same person? Why say Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ if we are talking about the same God? That's redundant and also Christ isn't Jesus' name, but rather Christ literally means anointing.

This ambiguity and multifaceted interactions of the three in the Godhead of course is part of the reason we recognize the Trinity essence of God.
Thanks for sharing another Triune passage.

How is God the same person as Jesus if the Spirit of God raised Jesus from the dead?

 

[mikesw]

Does it though? Where does it say they are a Trinity?


Or maybe they are called by different tiles because they aren't the same person? Why say Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ if we are talking about the same God? That's redundant and also Christ isn't Jesus' name, but rather Christ literally means anointing.

How is God the same person as Jesus if the Spirit of God raised Jesus from the dead?

Mostly they say it is a trinity because there are three in the Godhead. People often can count decently to three.

You really are getting less and less understanding of scripture. You should know by now that "person" is a carryover from a philosophical sense. One summary says the idea is three identities. The concept can be beyond our understanding simply because God is different from us. Your use of "person" here is ludicrous because you abuse the use of "person."

 

[Runningman]

Mostly they say it is a trinity because there are three in the Godhead. People often can count decently to three.

Oh ok. What's that religion like? Are you comfortable and happy?

You really are getting less and less understanding of scripture. You should know by now that "person" is a carryover from a philosophical sense. One summary says the idea is three identities. The concept can be beyond our understanding simply because God is different from us. Your use of "person" here is ludicrous because you abuse the use of "person."

I'm sorry, but this is a Christian board. My religion is Christianity. Perhaps if you don't like Christians you need to be a man a form a coherent debate. We have plenty here who will put you in your place. All you need to do is make a coherent argument.

 

[mikesw]

Oh ok. What's that religion like? Are you comfortable and happy?

Maybe you will learn who Christ Jesus is. We try to help you come to a saving knowledge in what scripture shares.

I'm sorry, but this is a Christian board. My religion is Christianity. Perhaps if you don't like Christians you need to be a man a form a coherent debate. We have plenty here who will put you in your place. All you need to do is make a coherent argument.

Wow. You really think that somehow you have identified some unrecognized concept of the biblical Jesus and that billions of other people missed it? That is a backwards way of looking at things. It is rather haughty of you and incoherent based on how you try to misinterpret scripture.

One problem is that you have to say every passage is interpreted wrong by normal people. You deny obvious details shown in verses all so you can deny the deity of Christ. Worse. You use verses of the humanness of Jesus to deny the verses that point to his divinity in the Godhead instead of using the divinity passages as key when interpreting the humanness verses.

 

[Runningman]

Maybe you will learn who Christ Jesus is. We try to help you come to a saving knowledge in what scripture shares.


Wow. You really think that somehow you have identified some unrecognized concept of the biblical Jesus and that billions of other people missed it? That is a backwards way of looking at things. It is rather haughty of you and incoherent based on how you try to misinterpret scripture.

What I am saying is recognized by millions. Are you denying that there are only a few who believe the Father is the only true God and that Jesus and others are His begotten sons? I want you to answer that directly if you will, sir, but based on all I see you don't believe it.

 

[mikesw]

What I am saying is recognized by millions. Are you denying that there are only a few who believe the Father is the only true God and that Jesus and others are His begotten sons? I want you to answer that directly if you will, sir, but based on all I see you don't believe it.

It is interesting that less than a million exist who in ignorance or as heretics have the same belief. One group says 150k adult who attend religious gatherings in the States think your way. Many people just do not know scripture and may not have learned scriptures or been decently taught about Christ Jesus so they may answers surveys with their unlearned concepts. Sure people often follow the true concept of God only because it surrounds them in church gatherings, but that is better than following heretical unitarian teachings. Then if you add so-called unitarians from other countries, you get cults that deviate from reasoned teachings of scriptures and tear away at the church groups that teach the truth. So any count you give remains nonsensical.
I also do not know of others being called begotten sons. And I do not see Jesus being called a false god. Maybe you have some unitarian books you add as part of scriptures?

I would have expected a better argument for the unitarian doctrine if it actually had been proper doctrine. Your arguments show how insufficient the unitarian arguments are --if you are representing the common arguments.

 

[Runningman]

It is interesting that less than a million exist who in ignorance or as heretics have the same belief. One group says 150k adult who attend religious gatherings in the States think your way. Many people just do not know scripture and may not have learned scriptures or been decently taught about Christ Jesus so they may answers surveys with their unlearned concepts. Sure people often follow the true concept of God only because it surrounds them in church gatherings, but that is better than following heretical unitarian teachings. Then if you add so-called unitarians from other countries, you get cults that deviate from reasoned teachings of scriptures and tear away at the church groups that teach the truth. So any count you give remains nonsensical.
I also do not know of others being called begotten sons. And I do not see Jesus being called a false god. Maybe you have some unitarian books you add as part of scriptures?

I would have expected a better argument for the unitarian doctrine if it actually had been proper doctrine. Your arguments show how insufficient the unitarian arguments are --if you are representing the common arguments.

It's all Bible that the way is broader that leads to destruction and that the weeds will outnumber the wheat. Where does that leave you and your ilk?

 

[civic]

They get around it by converting God into a substance or essence and then dividing God up into an equally distributable ingredient that can be in others. Some of their major weaknesses are Scripture and the train wreck that is the Athanasian Creed.

God has a nature which is Divine just like man has a nature which is human.

Basic Theology 101- Bible Basics 101.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

God has a nature which is Divine just like man has a nature which is human.

Basic Theology 101- Bible Basics 101.

hope this helps !!!

God doesn't have a human nature, but humans can have a divine nature. Basic Theology 101- Bible Basics 101.

Before you try to Bible lawyer your way out of what 2 Peter 1:4 plainly says, let me put you on pause because being a partaker of the divine nature means being a sharer in the divine nature. To share something with God means that God has the divine nature and people can too. To deny that we can have the divine nature is to deny that God as a divine nature.

2 Peter 1
4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[101G]

When Jesus ascended he sat at Gods right hand= 2 beings-God and Jesus sitting at his right hand. Thus Jesus is not God.

please look up what right hand means, it's an anthropomorphism statement ..... hello!


and K, it's only one who sits on the throne/power, and that's the Lord Jesus. .... again, hello! think man, God is a Spirit... you think God is in one location, (HIS RESURRECTED BODY)..... but sitting on a physical throne, in one location? nonsense, LISTEN, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." .... again hello, think man.

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

please look up what right hand means, it's an anthropomorphism statement ..... hello!


and K, it's only one who sits on the throne/power, and that's the Lord Jesus. .... again, hello! think man, God is a Spirit... you think God is in one location, (HIS RESURRECTED BODY)..... but sitting on a physical throne, in one location? nonsense, LISTEN, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." .... again hello, think man.

101G.

This answer demonstrates that you're not thinking. Of course the Lord fills heaven and earth. But at the same time, He is able to present Himself in all His glory sitting on a throne. Our finite minds cannot comprehend His omnipresence and omnipotence and omniscience!

"In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called out to another and said, 'Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of Hosts, the whole earth is full of His glory.' " Isaiah 6:1-3

Your "god" is too small. He is able to do all things - even present Himself as a man.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus said-i am the way the truth, etc, Jehovah did not say that. You are twisting your life into darkness and will lose.

All that YHWH declares of Himself so also does the LORD Jesus Christ declare of Himself.

YHWH Says: "Look to ME for Salvation" and "every tongue shall confess ME as LORD" = Isaiah 45:21-23

The FATHER Says: "Look to the LORD Jesus Christ for Salvation" = Isaiah ch45 = GOSPEL = John 3:1-21

YHWH Says: "every knee shall bow and every tongues confess to ME" = Isaiah ch45 = GOSPEL

The FATHER Says: "every knee shall bow and tongues confess that Jesus Christ is LORD(YHWH)" = Isaiah ch45 = Philippians 2:5-11

 

[101G]

This answer demonstrates that you're not thinking. Of course the Lord fills heaven and earth. But at the same time, He is able to present Himself in all His glory sitting on a throne. Our finite minds cannot comprehend His omnipresence and omnipotence and omniscience!

"In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called out to another and said, 'Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of Hosts, the whole earth is full of His glory.' " Isaiah 6:1-3

Your "god" is too small. He is able to do all things - even present Himself as a man.

Lets take this one step at a time.

#1. Who Sits on the throne? scripture, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

so, we hear that ONLY ONE sits on the throne. question, "Who sits on the throne according the scriptures in Revelation 4:2 & 3. is it the one whom you call the Father or the the One whom you call the Son". your answer please.

101G.