civic
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The Definition of Grace
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Reconciliation is the end result of salvation! Thus, that is the prime focus of our ministry; “… 2Cor 5:18
Doug
Why do you ignore this?
"be ye reconciled to God"
Salvation is not complete until this is fait accompli
brightfame52
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Reconciliation is Salvation, a part of it. A reconciled person is saved from the penalty of their sins.
brightfame52
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I haven't ignored it, in fact I dealt with that in detail with you already, if it wasnt you it was somebody in this discussion. And Salvation isnt ever complete in experience that is until the elect are finally glorified and experience the changing of their vile bodies liken unto His Glorious One.
charismaticlady
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Who put "unmerited" in front of "favor"?
John 1:
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
civic
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Thayers Greek Lexicon below lists several different meanings one if which is unmerited favor that we do not deserve
Moreover, the word χάρις contains the idea of kindness which bestows upon one what he has not deserved: Romans 11:6; hence, κατά χάριν and κατά ὀφείλημα are contrasted in Romans 4:4, 16; χάριτι and ἐξ ἔργων in Romans 11:6; κατ' ἀκλογην χάριτος, Romans 11:5; but the N. T. writers use χάρις pre-eminently of that kindness by which God bestow: favors even upon the ill-deserving, and grants to sinners the pardon of their offences, and bids them accept of eternal salvation through Christ: Romans 3:24; Romans 5:17, 20f; (); 1 Corinthians 15:10; Galatians 1:15; Galatians 2:21; Ephesians 1:6,(); f; Philippians 1:7; Colossians 1:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:16; 1 Timothy 1:14; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 2:9 (here Treg.marginal reading χωρίς); Hebrews 10:29; Hebrews 12:15; Hebrews 13:9; 1 Peter 1:10; Jude 1:4; εὑρίσκειν χάριν, Hebrews 4:16; ἡ χάρις τοῦ Θεοῦ ἡ σωτήριος, Titus 2:11; ὁ λόγος τῆς χάριτος, the message of his grace, Acts 14:3; Acts 20:32; τόεὐαγγέλιον τῆς χάριτος τοῦ Θεοῦ, Acts 20:24; it is styled 'the grace of Christ,' in that through pity for sinful men Christ left his state of blessedness with God in heaven, and voluntarily underwent the hardships and miseries of human life, and by his sufferings and death procured salvation for mankind: (Acts 15:11); 2 Corinthians 8:9; Romans 5:15; Galatians 1:6; (Titus 3:7); John 1:14, 17. χάρις is used of "the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues": 2 Corinthians 4:15; 2 Corinthians 6:1; 2 Thessalonians 1:12; οἱπεπιστευκότες διά τῆς χάριτος, Acts 18:27; ὑπό χάριν εἶναι,' to be subject to the power of grace, opposed to ὑπό νόμονεἶναι, Romans 6:14f; τῆς χάριτοςἐξεπέσατε, Galatians 5:4; προσμένειν τῇχαρη, Acts 13:43 (G L T Tr WH); ἐπιμένειν, ibid. Rec.; ἐν τῇ χάριτι (R G WHtext omit the article), prompted by grace, Colossians 3:16; the grace of God promoting the progress and blessings of the Christian religion, Acts 11:23; (prompting its possessors to benefactions, 2 Corinthians 9:14); sustaining and aiding the efforts of the men who labor for the cause of Christ, 1 Corinthians 15:10; 2 Corinthians 1:12; the favor of Christ, assisting and strengthening his followers and ministers to bear their troubles, 2 Corinthians 12:9.
3. what is due to grace;
a. the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace,what the theologians call the 'status gratiae': ἑστηκεναι ἐν τῇ χάριτι, Romans 5:2; εἰς τήν χάριν, 1 Peter 5:12; αὐξάνεινἐν χάριτι, 2 Peter 3:18; ἐνδυναμουσθαι ἐντῇ χάριτι τῇ ἐν Χριστῷ, 2 Timothy 2:1.
b. a token or proof of grace, 2 Corinthians 1:15 (A. V. benefit (WH text Trmarginal reading χαράν, which see under b.)); a gift of grace; benefaction, bounty: used of alms, 1 Corinthians 16:3; 2 Corinthians 8:6f, 19 (Sir. 3:29 (31); ; 4 Macc. 5:8; Xenophon, Ages. 4, 3f; Hier. 8, 4); πᾶσα χάρις, all earthly blessings, wealth, etc., which are due to divine goodness, 2 Corinthians 9:8; ὁ Θεόςπάσης χάριτος, the author and giver of benefits of every kind, 1 Peter 5:10. the aid or succor of divine grace: διδόναιχάριν ταπεινοῖς, 1 Peter 5:5; James 4:6; the salvation offered to Christians is called χάρις, a gift of divine grace, 1 Peter 1:10, 13; of the various blessings of Christ experienced by souls: λαβεῖν χάριν ἀντίχάριτος (see ἀντί, 2 e., p. 49{b} bottom), John 1:16; χαρι ζωῆς, the gift of grace seen in the reception of life (cf. ζωή, 2 b.), 1 Peter 3:7; capacity and ability due to the grace of God (German Gnadenausrüstung), Ephesians 4:7; πλήρης χάριτος. Acts 6:8 G L T Tr WH; πικιλη χάρις, the aggregate of the extremely diverse powers and gifts granted to Christians, 1 Peter 4:10; used of the power to undertake and administer the apostolic office: λαβεῖν χάριν καίἀποστολήν, i. e. χάριν τῆς ἀποστολῆς, Romans 1:5; τῆς χάριτος τῆς δοθείσης μοι(i. e., Paul), Romans 12:3, 6; Romans 15:15; 1 Corinthians 3:10; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2, 7; δοθείσῃ ὑμῖν, of the gifts of knowledge and utterance conferred upon Christians, 1 Corinthians 1:4; ἐδόθημοι ἡ χάρις αὕτη, followed by an infinitive, Ephesians 3:8; of the desire to give alms roused by the grace of God, 2 Corinthians 8:1.
4. thanks (for benefits, services, favors); properly: χάριτι, with thanksgiving, 1 Corinthians 10:30; χάριν ἔχειν τίνι(Latingratiam habere alicui), to be thankful to one, Luke 17:9; 1 Timothy 1:12; 2 Timothy 1:3; Hebrews 12:28 (2 Macc. 3:33, and countless times in secular authors; cf. Passow, under the word, p. 2416{a} under the end; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, II. 2); Ast, Lex. Plato, ii, p. 539f; Bleek, Brief a. d. Hebrews 2:2, p. 975); followed by ἐπί with a dative of the thing, Philemon 1:7 T editions 2 and 7, Rec.st bez (cf. p. 233a middle); χάρις τῷΘεῷ namely, ἔστω, Romans 7:25 L T TrWH text; followed by ὅτι, Romans 6:17(χάρις τοῖς θεοῖς, ὅτι etc. Xenophon, Cyril 7, 5, 72; 8, 7, 3; an. 3, 3, 14; oec. 8, 16); with a participle added to the dative (by apposition), 1 Corinthians 15:57; 2 Corinthians 2:14; 2 Corinthians 8:16; followed by ἐπί; with a dative of the thing (cf. ἐπί, B. 2 a. δ.), 2 Corinthians 9:15. equivalent to recompense, reward, Luke 6:32-34 (for which Matthew 5:46usesμισθός).
Of course, you did
you assumed it was done based on
2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
PS there is no unconditionally elect here
You are inserting your doctrine into the passage
TibiasDad
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charismaticlady
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There are many churches who use unmerited favor as their excuse to keep sinning. Do you believe we will always sin until we receive new bodies after we die? That God's grace covers our sins we commit?
charismaticlady
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Adding to my post: The truth is according to John 8:32, 34-36 that Jesus takes away our sin and the gospel of grace is the gospel of power. Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
civic
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I had to correct a Calvinist who led devotions in our Thursday morning men’s discipleship group with about 20 guys and 2 of our pastors and a couple elders in attendance yesterday.
He claimed sin is necessary for our sanctification ( as if it’s Gods will ) to which I immediately said sanctification and holiness are synonymous in the NT meaning we are set apart from sin. He was implying to opposite of Paul shall we continue in sin that grace might abound ? May it never be.
Then a few minutes later stated the OT is law and NT is grace and we are under grace. I said God is immutable and has always been full on mercy, grace and long suffering all throughout the OT and gave numerous examples.
I won’t stand for these generally accepted false notions about God, His nature and character. And the elders/pastors affirmed my comments.
charismaticlady
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One thing about some teaching these false doctrines in Calvinism, they love Jesus and practice righteousness, the opposite of what they teach others. LOL In the end they will see 1 Corinthians 3:14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Speaking of false doctrines, Calvinists use that verse with regards to sin, when it is actually about false doctrines.
TibiasDad
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Firstly, this doesn’t answer my question.
Secondly, as humans, we are always capable of sinning. As believers, we are also capable of not sinning, and thus are able to consistently continue to not sin.
All sin is within the reach of grace, but only when repented of.
Doug
charismaticlady
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How many times do we need to repent to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit?
brightfame52
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You just going in circles
Again
2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
There is no unconditionally elect here as, God's work required a response.
brightfame52
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You just going in circles
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* Faith is just believing that what God says He will assuredly do.
'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life
through His name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)
Praise God!
'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life
through His name.'
(Joh 20:30-31)
Praise God!
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