Did God Create Evil?

Well then where is the scripture "God make man sinful?"..... thought so,

101G.
Bible study is foreign to you?

It's not hard.

Try reasoning it out. I did.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
Though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isaiah 1:18.
 
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:3.

Did God say anything about not touching the Tree? No. So, Adam may have - and it's reasonable to conclude - but Eve definitely added to God's Word.
Lying is a sin. The existence of "Thou shalt not" in the Garden (to Adam) is proof man was created a sinner, which is why he sinned. Sin does not come from holy. The last Adam proved this. Christ was Holy, Christ was Righteous and He did no sin.

Isaiah states "There is only ONE God; there is NONE like Him; He gives His glory to NO ONE." Now, with this in hand what was the creative 'make-up' of Adam? Was he holy? Yes? Then God gave him His glory. Was he sinless? If yes, then God gave him His glory and Isaiah is a false prophet for lying.
There's only one of two ways to look at this. Either Adam sinned because he was a sinner, or he is a sinner because he sinned. Be careful. The first statement upholds the Doctrine of Imputation; the second statement doesn't.

Yes, he was. God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself nor can He reduplicate any aspect of His Nature in created matter.

The devil doesn't control death. He is under the same judgment of sorts as man is. Death is the punishment for sin, not the devil. Besides this, "devil" is an adjective. You can't make it a noun or pronoun.
What in the world? Did you not ever learn grammar? The devil is most certainly a noun.

Why did Jesus come? To destroy death, which is the devil. Did you know that Lucifer (the devil) was created with a free will? Yep, Lucifer chose to be evil.

Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV) Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself
likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil


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What in the world? Did you not ever learn grammar? The devil is most certainly a noun.

Why did Jesus come? To destroy death, which is the devil. Did you know that Lucifer (the devil) was created with a free will? Yep, Lucifer chose to be evil.

Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV) Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself
likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil


s e l a h
Let's test that:

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Hebrews 2:14.

devil: [Strong's #1228] διάβολος diabolos adjective, from [#1225] (diaballo); a traducer;

What's a 'traducer'?

One who attacks the reputation of another by slander or libel.

Judas was a traducer. Jesus said so in John's gospel.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? [adj.]
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
John 6:70–71.

You can't make an adjective into a noun. That's called bad grammar.
 
Let me ask you:

Was Adam created holy?
Was Adam created sinless?
Was Adam created eternal?
Was Adam created righteous?
YES, a resounding YES, Listen and Learn, Ecclesiastes 7:29 "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions."

UPRIGHT: H3477 יָשָׁר yashar (yaw-shawr') adj.
straight.
{literally or figuratively}
[from H3474]
KJV: convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet(-est), + pleased well right(-eous), straight, (most) upright(-ly, -ness).
Root(s): H3474

The term "RIGHTIOUS" is synonyms with ..... drum roll ..... "holy"

Let 101G say it again

The term "RIGHTIOUS" is synonyms with ..... drum roll ..... "holy"


How IGNORANT can one be.


when God mad man, he made man in his ......, drum roll please........... "IMAGE"

J4, set down and LEARN TRUTH from God's ....... "holy" ... People.

101G.
 
Let's test that:

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Hebrews 2:14.

devil: [Strong's #1228] διάβολος diabolos adjective, from [#1225] (diaballo); a traducer;

What's a 'traducer'?

One who attacks the reputation of another by slander or libel.

Judas was a traducer. Jesus said so in John's gospel.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? [adj.]
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
John 6:70–71.

You can't make an adjective into a noun. That's called bad grammar.
Hey again @jeremiah1five

Notice that a dictionary will often provide more than one definition or use for a particular word. It will also provide the part of speech (noun, verb, adjective, adverb, etc.) for each definition.

The part of speech is always determined by the way that the word in question is used in a sentence. In Hebrews 2:14, where it says: … “that through death He (Jesus) might destroy him (Satan) that had the power of death, that is, the devil, …

… death = the devil.

See how the word devil, a noun by virtue of the fact that the word devil is preceded by an article (the), has an antecedent (him, which is a pronoun—him being Satan). A pronoun always takes the place of a noun.

That’s the way I see it.
s e l a h
 
Hey again @jeremiah1five

Notice that a dictionary will often provide more than one definition or use for a particular word. It will also provide the part of speech (noun, verb, adjective, adverb, etc.) for each definition.

The part of speech is always determined by the way that the word in question is used in a sentence. In Hebrews 2:14, where it says: … “that through death He (Jesus) might destroy him (Satan) that had the power of death, that is, the devil, …

… death = the devil.

See how the word devil, a noun by virtue of the fact that the word devil is preceded by an article (the), has an antecedent (him, which is a pronoun—him being Satan). A pronoun always takes the place of a noun.

That’s the way I see it.
s e l a h
Correct, the HIM is the pronoun that Identify the One whose actions are of the Adjective (the Devil)..
on point.

101G.
 
YES, a resounding YES, Listen and Learn, Ecclesiastes 7:29 "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions."

UPRIGHT: H3477 יָשָׁר yashar (yaw-shawr') adj.
straight.
{literally or figuratively}
[from H3474]
KJV: convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet(-est), + pleased well right(-eous), straight, (most) upright(-ly, -ness).
Root(s): H3474

The term "RIGHTIOUS" is synonyms with ..... drum roll ..... "holy"

Let 101G say it again

The term "RIGHTIOUS" is synonyms with ..... drum roll ..... "holy"


How IGNORANT can one be.


when God mad man, he made man in his ......, drum roll please........... "IMAGE"

J4, set down and LEARN TRUTH from God's ....... "holy" ... People.

101G.
Your position makes Isaiah the prophet a liar.

It occurred to me...you don't do too much critical thinking, do you?
 
no you do.

101G.
One of the glories of God is He is Sinless. You say God created Adam sinless but Isaiah says [God] does not give His glory (of Sinlessness) to anyone.
By holding that Adam was created sinless you are calling Isaiah AND GOD a liar.
That's YOUR belief. You have called God and Isaiah a liar.
That is YOUR belief to say God created Adam with God's glory of sinlessness.
That's all I have to say.
 
Satan is the source of spiritual darkness. God has called us out of that darkness into His marvelous light. Finding the heart of God involves admitting our own spiritual inadequacy. It means coming to the end of ourselves. Only when we finally realize that we can’t change ourselves will we discover God’s power to transform our hearts and change our lives. God alone is the ultimate Heart Surgeon. He alone can remove the heart of stone and replace it with a heart like His.
 
Satan is the source of spiritual darkness.
YES!!! And he chose his path by his free will, he was not created evil...because GOD is holy and cannot do or create evil.

God has called us out of that darkness into His marvelous light.
YES!!! BUt if GOD is holy HE cannot have created us in Satan's darkness by any means for any reason. We must have chosen by our free will to follow Satan! When did we have a chance to do this?
 
YES!!! And he chose his path by his free will, he was not created evil...because GOD is holy and cannot do or create evil.


YES!!! BUt if GOD is holy HE cannot have created us in Satan's darkness by any means for any reason. We must have chosen by our free will to follow Satan! When did we have a chance to do this?
Scripture clearly states God created evil in Isaiah 45:7.

7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7.

And as far as "Satan" is concerned, the angels that sinned were locked up by God, most likely before God created man:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

You give too much glory to "Satan", and besides this, "Satan" is a word used in the OT to describe a man.
 
YES!!! And he chose his path by his free will, he was not created evil...because GOD is holy and cannot do or create evil.


YES!!! BUt if GOD is holy HE cannot have created us in Satan's darkness by any means for any reason. We must have chosen by our free will to follow Satan! When did we have a chance to do this?
“When did we have a chance to do this?”. …a long, long time ago, before the foundation of the world.
Thanks, Ted.

s e l a h
 
“When did we have a chance to do this?”. …a long, long time ago, before the foundation of the world.
Thanks, Ted.

s e l a h
Amen!!! I had no idea that anyone else shared this view which is the essence of my interpretation of Pre-Conception Existence theology, :)
 
Question: Why does Isaiah 45:7 say that God created evil?

Answer: Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture—that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.


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It seems that there is a contradiction involved in asserting, that God is perfectly good, omnipotent, all-powerful, and omniscient, all-knowing on the one hand, and, on the other, that there is evil.

I like what Clifford posted.

 
Question: Why does Isaiah 45:7 say that God created evil?

Answer: Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture—that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.


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Have you ever studied the question and Scripture, or are you content with posting someone else's bible study?
Any original thinking on your part or does the textbook response suffice?

God created evil by virtue of His creating man. Unless you want to say God shared, copied, reduplicated, or gave His glorious nature to created matter? And if God gave any one aspect of His Deific Nature to man, then man must needs possess ALL God's Deific Nature or he would be fallen short of the glory of God, or the glory that is God. The word is "sin."

Only two Persons can stand before a Holy God blameless and that is a Holy Son and a Holy Spirit. Since God is the standard by which all things and everyone is judged against, the creation of man did not possess any of God's Nature and this is the reason he sinned for sin comes from sinner; sin does not come from Holy. The last Adam proved this. He was Holy. He was Righteous, He was Sinless and as such did not sin.

But man sinned. He sinned because he was created with a sin nature, one prone to sinning. And the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil was merely a regular tree of among thousands in the Garden. Eating from the forbidden tree was only the second recorded sin man committed. So, there was no "Fall." God used the tree to give the man the KNOWLEDGE of his sinfulness and that's all. When man sinned, he didn't change. He didn';t go from holy to unholy, or sinless to sinful. These are the Attributes of God's Nature and God is a jealous God. This is why we have a Mediator. Even at the end when we are raised incorruptible, we still cannot stand before God as glorious creatures. We are hid in Christ and Christ is our Mediator. When God looks at any one of us as glorified creatures, we still need a buffer, a Mediator, to represent us to God and God to us. Man wasn't even created eternal, for eternalness is the Nature of God. If man did not sin in the Garden, he would have in the course of time died.
In Isaiah 45:7 the prophet says God created [moral] evil. Knowing there is only ONE God, that there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE should have led you to the most reasonable conclusion, that man was created sinful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark."
What is that mark (or standard) "missed?"
The glory of God.
 
Question: Did God create evil?

Answer: At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.

Perhaps a further illustration will help. If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.

God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.

As finite human beings, we can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33–34). Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from a holy, eternal perspective. We look at things from a sinful, earthly, and temporal perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? These questions cannot be adequately answered this side of eternity. What we can know is whatever God does is holy and perfect and ultimately will glorify Him. God allowed for the possibility of evil in order to give us a true choice in regards to whether we worship Him. God did not create evil, but He allowed it. If He had not allowed evil, we would be worshiping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own will.


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Scripture does indeed say God created evil in Isaiah 45:7. The thing is that you don't understand how He did it.
The definition of "sin" is "missing the mark."
What is the mark "missed"?
The mark or standard is the glory of God.

As to what was the make-up of man in his creation one only need understand what Isaiah said:

There is only ONE God.
There is NONE like Him.
He gives His glory to NO ONE.

Holding to these foundational truths about God the make-up of man in his creation is not hard.
Sinlessness, Holiness, Righteousness, Eternalness, Omniscience, etc., are glories of God. Man possessed none of God's glory and so man was "less" than God or fallen short of the glory of God.
The word for that is "sin."
Man was created missing the mark of the perfect, Holiness, and Sinlessness of God. Therefore, man was created sinful. From this sinfulness (sin nature) man is morally evil. He is not even righteous because all his righteousness is as filthy rags. This too translates to being sinful.
 
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