brightfame52
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Justification by Faith
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brightfame52
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Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified*by*faith.
Now what is it to be Justified by Faith? It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.
It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified*by*faith.
Now what is it to be Justified by Faith? It's one or two things #1 Its to be Justified by His Faith/Faithfulness, meaning Jesus Christ, its the Faith of Jesus Christ. #2 It's when that Justification by Christ is declared or pronounced in the conscience of the already Justified.
It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
So we do nothing and one day we get justified, out of the blue? That sounds so Calvinistic. We do in fact need to believe and repent, not just sit around. The Calvinist view is anti-Biblical and totally false.
brightfame52
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Read what Im posting, Im explaining myself.
I did. You have no counterargument?
brightfame52
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Im explaining my view. Didnt you read posts 62,54,48 ? Ive put more effort into explaining than you have
Here is a quote concerning your view of how we are justified:
So we do nothing and one day we get justified, out of the blue? That sounds so Calvinistic. We do in fact need to believe and repent, not just sit around. The Calvinist view is anti-Biblical and totally false.
civic
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yes saved by doing nothing- even your belief is not your believe- God zapped you with it and without your consent via regeneration that you didn't want or ask for either.
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brightfame52
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Like I said, I have been explaining my pov
brightfame52
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It's never meaning that faith is a condition we must act in order to get Justified before God, cause that overthrows Justification before God based solely upon the Person and Work of Jesus Christ , what He did for the Justified. Then it becomes justification by our works, a false gospel!
You see if those Christ died for are not Justified before God before they believe, and not until they believe, then their act of faith becomes their Justification before God, and not Christ alone, which is error indeed !
If our faith is our righteousness/justification, then we are justified before God by our own righteousness, which is of the law, and not the righteousness of Christ Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
If you say my Faith makes me just or righteous before God, then you shall be found justified by your own righteousness !
You see if those Christ died for are not Justified before God before they believe, and not until they believe, then their act of faith becomes their Justification before God, and not Christ alone, which is error indeed !
If our faith is our righteousness/justification, then we are justified before God by our own righteousness, which is of the law, and not the righteousness of Christ Phil 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
If you say my Faith makes me just or righteous before God, then you shall be found justified by your own righteousness !
civic
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So what does sola fide mean to you ?
brightfame52
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By Faith Alone
civic
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Yes mans faith by which a person is saved. Jesus said a person must believe in Him to be saved. Over a dozen times Jesus said : your faith has saved you. Never did He say or imply it was the faith He gave them.
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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Faith is given to them that were Justified by Christs Death, thats what Faith alone means.
So what does not by faith alone mean in James 2:24?
24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
brightfame52
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How therefore should we understand a scripture like this one which seems to be saying that ones faith is counted for righteousness ? Rom 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Its quite simple Faith here is the object of his Faith, Christ. See Jesus Christ is the Believers Righteousness made so by God the Father 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Isa 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
The Lord being our righteousness is sooner or later made known to God given Faith, hence, The Lord our righteousness is the object of our Faith !
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Its quite simple Faith here is the object of his Faith, Christ. See Jesus Christ is the Believers Righteousness made so by God the Father 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Isa 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Jer 33:16
In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
The Lord being our righteousness is sooner or later made known to God given Faith, hence, The Lord our righteousness is the object of our Faith !
brightfame52
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Thats a different discussion.
You can't run away from James 2:24 so easily. Sorry.
brightfame52
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Its a different discussion, James is speaking about the Spiritual realm of Salvation and its fruit, but Im speaking about the legal realm and Justification before God by the legal work provided by the person and work of Christ. Do you deny that Jesus death alone Justified them He died for before the law and Justice of God ?
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