propitiation
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brightfame52
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And. How does this disregard the fact that some God made for vessels of wrath, His purpose from all eternity ?
101G
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was it not his wisdom ... "BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH". 1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"
Ephesians 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
there is no LACK of Wisdom in God
101G.
101G
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did you not read? Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
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brightfame52
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The True God isnt a fool and mutable
brightfame52
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Okay and ? Read on and we see He made some as vessels of wrath and some as vessels of mercy, duhdid you not read? Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
101G.
101G
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Oh my God, you still don't understand ... do you.
Listen to yourself, "Okay and ? Read on and we see He made some as vessels of wrath and some as vessels of mercy",
SURE, Romans 9:17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:19 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?" Romans 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
in your words....... duh
101G.
101G
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101G is heading to church, so let's see the conclusion to the matter. LISTEN CAREFULLY,
Romans 9:30 "What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith."
now ask yourself .... "How do one attain righteousness" which is only in Christ Jesus? answer by Faith, and how do one attain Faith? Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." (NOTE HERE, in plain English, there is no difference between the vessel fitted FOR destruction, "The gentiles", or those who are of mercy, "the Jews"), Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (The WHOSOEVER here is those fitted for destruction, as well as those who have mercy on them for all must REPENT). Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. (THEY HERE, are the Good and the bad, both parties MUST REPENT, got is now?). For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?" Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:18 "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."
101G.
Romans 9:30 "What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith."
now ask yourself .... "How do one attain righteousness" which is only in Christ Jesus? answer by Faith, and how do one attain Faith? Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." (NOTE HERE, in plain English, there is no difference between the vessel fitted FOR destruction, "The gentiles", or those who are of mercy, "the Jews"), Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (The WHOSOEVER here is those fitted for destruction, as well as those who have mercy on them for all must REPENT). Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. (THEY HERE, are the Good and the bad, both parties MUST REPENT, got is now?). For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?" Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:18 "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."
101G.
brightfame52
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What you going to do with them vessels of wrath whom God made for destruction ? They dont disappear, in fact they the ones God hardens and fit them for destruction, like He did pharoah ! When God hardens you, He has chosen to destroy you
brightfame52
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All those for whom Christ is their propitiation 1 Jn 2:2;4:10, they are saved, having had full satisfaction to Gods Law and Justice applied to them, God has no retributive Justice for them. The Propitiation is a satisfying sacrifice unto God for them Eph 5:2
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
That sacrifice to God is equivalent to the propitiation 1 Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation[sacrifice] for our sins.
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
That sacrifice to God is equivalent to the propitiation 1 Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation[sacrifice] for our sins.
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