Eternal Justification !

[brightfame52]

@TomL

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Easily, If Christ was a surety for their sins. They are not charged with the sinfulness of that condition, Christ was as their Surety.

 

[brightfame52]

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

See th elect being in that condition by nature, changes not the fact that Christ has redeemed them by His Blood Eph 1:7 and that they had been chosen securely in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4, and that their names had been written in the lambs book of life from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8, that they were still heirs even while they are under bondage Gal 4:1-4

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

They were heirs of eternal life, Justified

 

[TomL]

See th elect being in that condition by nature, changes not the fact that Christ has redeemed them by His Blood Eph 1:7 and that they had been chosen securely in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4, and that their names had been written in the lambs book of life from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8, that they were still heirs even while they are under bondage Gal 4:1-4

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

They were heirs of eternal life, Justified

That does not answer the question

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

 

[TomL]

@TomL



Easily, If Christ was a surety for their sins. They are not charged with the sinfulness of that condition, Christ was as their Surety.

Sorry that is irrational. An oxymoron

 

[TomL]

The Lord Jesus Christ as Surety for the Elect Heb 7:22, though He didn't die actually for their sins until in time 33 ad, yet as Surety of the Everlasting Covenant, He became responsible for their sins, under obligation for their sins, from all eternity, hence He is termed the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, and by virtue of this eternal obligation, the elect were always Justified, even before He came into the world.

still no answer

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your eternal justification doctrine is a heresy

 

[TomL]

When was Jesus made a surety ? Was He a surety to them in Eph 2:1-3 ? When ? What is the responsibility of a Surety ?

The term surety does not appear in Eph 2:1-3

 

[brightfame52]

That does not answer the question

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

These are things you cant see

 

[brightfame52]

still no answer

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your eternal justification doctrine is a heresy

You been answered yet you cant see it

 

[TomL]

These are things you cant see

Sorry that is just irrational

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry that is just irrational

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Christ has to open your understanding

 

[TomL]

Christ has to open your understanding

Sorry Christ is not irrational

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry Christ is not irrational

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Christ has to open your understanding, until then explaining truth to you wont work

 

[TomL]

Christ has to open your understanding, until then explaining truth to you wont work

How can one be justified and dead in sin at the same time?

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Your irrational thoughts do not come from Christ

 

[civic]

“The Lamb Slain From The Foundation Of The World”

Revelation 13:8

Don Fortner

Though he did not come until after the world had existed for four thousand years, Christ is described as “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” because he offered himself to God as a sin-atoning sacrifice for his people from the beginning.

In the prophetic scriptures of the Old Testament Christ was presented as one already sacrificed for us. Other prophetic scriptures speak of things to be done in the future. When the prophets spoke of our Saviour’s incarnation, his exaltation and his second coming, these things were looked upon and spoken of as events to be accomplished in the future. But when the prophets spoke of the sacrificial death of Christ and the atonement of sin by his blood, it was looked upon and spoken of as a thing already accomplished (Psa. 22; 40:6-13; 69:4-10; 20-21; 85:10; Isa. 43:25; 44:22; 53:1-12). Redemption by Christ was not an after thought of God, something he did because the Jews would not “let” Jesus be their king. Far from it! In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity.

All the Old Testament types bear testimony to Christ as the Lamb that had been slain. Beginning with the sacrifice of Abel, God’s saints of old offered the blood of lambs upon the altar by faith. And that faith was based upon the Divine revelation that the only way of acceptance with God is by the blood of “the Lamb slain”. Every type was drawn from the picture given by God’s direct revelation and foreshadowed the coming of the Lamb to be slain.

When Christ is described as “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” it is to show us that, from all eternity God regarded Christ as the Lamb who had been slain for his elect. There has always been only one way of salvation: The blood of the Lamb! In the Old Testament God forgave sin and imputed righteousness to believers exactly as he does in the New, upon the basis of Christ’s sacrifice as “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rom. 3:24-26). God’s eye of justice always has been and always shall be upon “the Lamb slain”!

Rev. 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (ESV)
Rev. 13:8 and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. (NET)
Rev. 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. (NASB)
Rev. 13:8 All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered. (HCSB)

Why would I hold to a theology ("Christ was slain from the foundation of the world") that is not only historically inaccurate, but is not found in any version of the Bible that mainstream Christians use daily?

You misuse and abuse this verse to support a false doctrine.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

Rev. 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (ESV)
Rev. 13:8 and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. (NET)
Rev. 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. (NASB)
Rev. 13:8 All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered. (HCSB)

Why would I hold to a theology ("Christ was slain from the foundation of the world") that is not only historically inaccurate, but is not found in any version of the Bible that mainstream Christians use daily?

You misuse and abuse this verse to support a false doctrine.

hope this helps !!!

In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity.

 

[civic]

In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity.

nothing is accomplished until it occurs in time.

 

[brightfame52]

nothing is accomplished until it occurs in time.

In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity.

 

[TomL]

In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity.

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

 

[brightfame52]

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity., by which purpose He was slain from the foundation of the world, and their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life as Early. You think those whose Names were written in the Book of Life were condemned by God ?

 

[TomL]

In the mind and purpose of God our redemption by Christ was accomplished in eternity., by which purpose He was slain from the foundation of the world, and their Names were written in the Lambs Book of Life as Early. You think those whose Names were written in the Book of Life were condemned by God ?

Sorry the fact is

Ephesians 2:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 And you were dead in your offenses and sins, 2 in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

these were not justified previously