Eternal Security

I think we're pretty close in what we believe Doug just for a few points.
Yes, it would seem so, but our differences are based on underlying theological factors which foster our conclusions. And they are not closely related. (I’m assuming you are coming from a Calvinistic perspective. If not, my bad, and we can explore your thoughts further to aid my understanding.)





When many of the followers of Jesus turned back when he gave them the hard saying about eating his body and drinking his blood. They didn't understand that he would live in them and that they would live in his love.
Yes, John 6:66! I love the irony of that reference number. I’m not sure anyone understood “They didn't understand that he would live in them and that they would live in his love”, including the disciples.
When you fall out of Fellowship you fall right into misery and as Paul says:

Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. Romans 7:24-25
Well, to begin with, Romans 7 is not talking about a Christian experience. But this is not a conversation about simply getting off course a little bit, but about if one can be saved, but still walk away from the faith and abandon Christ.

In Galatians 5, we read:

1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Paul vocabulary here is quite interesting. “Fallen away” is the Greek word ἐκπίπτω which figuratively means:

a. τίνος (Winers Grammar, 427 (398), and De verb. comp. etc. as above), to fall from a thing, to lose it: τῆς χάριτος, Galatians 5:4; τοῦ ἰδίου στηριγμοῦ, 2 Peter 3:17

A literal use of the word in Acts 12:7 says,

Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. “Quick, get up!” he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists.

This means that the effects of the chains is no longer binding on Peter. Paul uses this word for grace, that one returning to the law has fallen away from grace, and have separated from Christ, and void of the effects of grace.

Being alienated from Christ and falling from grace is more that just a “stumbling” moment, it is a negative repentance, a turning from grace and returning back to the law!


Doug
 
To say that Christians can lose their salvation is to say that the blood of Christ was inadequate to perfect for all time those whom God has sanctified. To say that is to equate His blood with the blood of bulls and goats. And that is an equation I doubt Christians would be comfortable making. Was the blood of Jesus Christ adequate enough to provide us with eternal life? What does the Bible say?

John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This whole thread boils down to this one question, “Was the blood of Christ adequate?”
 
To say that Christians can lose their salvation is to say that the blood of Christ was inadequate to perfect for all time those whom God has sanctified.
I don’t know why you would think that, Obadiah, for does one who doesn’t believe mean that the blood of Christ was inadequate? If not, then why should it be considered such if someone turns from the faith the once had?

To say that is to equate His blood with the blood of bulls and goats. And that is an equation I doubt Christians would be comfortable making. Was the blood of Jesus Christ adequate enough to provide us with eternal life? What does the Bible say?

John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This whole thread boils down to this one question, “Was the blood of Christ adequate?”
The blood of bulls and goats never took away any sin; Christ blood forgives all sins committed by those who come to believe, but new sins and doubting Christ cannot be forgiven unless they are ceased, repented of and confessed. It is not like the blood of bulls and goats!

Adequacy is hinged on the contingency of active belief being placed in Christ. The evidence of that belief being the lives of believers conforming to the image of the Son, and good works, ie stopping their sinful behavior and loving God with all their being and their neighbors as themselves.

God, who does not lie, keeps his promises, and his promise is for all who believe! There are promises for those who do not believe as well and he will keep those promises as well!

Believers receive eternal life with God, and unbelievers receive eternal wrath and punishment.


Doug
 
I don’t know why you would think that, Obadiah, for does one who doesn’t believe mean that the blood of Christ was inadequate? If not, then why should it be considered such if someone turns from the faith the once had?


The blood of bulls and goats never took away any sin; Christ blood forgives all sins committed by those who come to believe, but new sins and doubting Christ cannot be forgiven unless they are ceased, repented of and confessed. It is not like the blood of bulls and goats!

Adequacy is hinged on the contingency of active belief being placed in Christ. The evidence of that belief being the lives of believers conforming to the image of the Son, and good works, ie stopping their sinful behavior and loving God with all their being and their neighbors as themselves.

God, who does not lie, keeps his promises, and his promise is for all who believe! There are promises for those who do not believe as well and he will keep those promises as well!

Believers receive eternal life with God, and unbelievers receive eternal wrath and punishment.


Doug
Okay let me break my post down for you.

To say that Christians can lose their salvation is to say that the blood of Christ was inadequate to perfect for all time those whom God has sanctified. To say that is to equate His blood with the blood of bulls and goats.
So we know that the blood of bulls and goats that was shed in the temple as a sacrifice for sin was only a covering for one year. And then they had to do it again the next year. It was a covering it didn't take away the sins, Jesus, His sacrifice on the other hand, the one sacrifice for all time for all believers removed sin and the penalty of sin. Washed us white as snow.

If you want to believe that the sacrifice of Jesus wasn't good enough to give us eternal life, that somehow the eternal life that Jesus paid for can go away. That would make his sacrifice like the yearly sacrifice in the temple. It was only good for a certain amount of time if it was possible to lose your salvation.

Hebrews chapter 10 explains this much better than I can. Read Here>>>
 
Yes, it would seem so, but our differences are based on underlying theological factors which foster our conclusions. And they are not closely related. (I’m assuming you are coming from a Calvinistic perspective. If not, my bad, and we can explore your thoughts further to aid my understanding.)

Doug
No I don't look at anything from the calvinistic perspective. I'm definitely not into perseverance of the Saints. My thoughts are Jesus saves us and Jesus Keeps Us. He said so. I don't look for a work around. Those yeah Jesus said that but... What if... What about Judas.... and the list goes on and on.

I like to keep it simple. Jesus said I'll never leave you nor forsake you. Here's a thought. Way back in my young days as a Christian I heard this analogy preached from the pulpit, I'll try to do it justice.

Okay back in the sixties this flower child that was all into sex drugs and rock and roll gets saved. Everything is going great he's doing street evangelism going to church giving his testimony it's all good in the Jesus hood right?

Then his favorite rock band comes to town and one of his old buddies from his hippie days gives him tickets. He knows it could be risky but it's been so long since he's been to a concert and he puts his better judgment behind him. He wants to party.

So on the night of the concert he's heading out the door low and behold Jesus is going with him. The guy takes Jesus by the shoulders leads them back to the couch and tells him no you stay here Jesus I'll check in with you when I get back. Then he turns around to leave, Jesus gets up off the couch to go with him. Once again the guy tells him no you stay here Jesus.

He turns around to leave bound and determine to go. This time he doesn't notice Jesus being with him. He gets to the concert parties Like It's 1999 and on the way home he gets in a pretty serious car accident. He wakes up in the hospital and there's Jesus right there with him. What does the guy do. He confesses his sin ask for forgiveness and Jesus is faithful and just to forgive him of his sin and to cleanse him from all unrighteousness.

That's eternal security, Not perseverance of the Saints, Not once saved always saved. We're eternally secure in Jesus. The key is to stay with Jesus. We're covered by his blood. Now you step out from under that covering....well let's just say you could be headed for a car wreck. But Jesus never left you. You may think he left him but Jesus was there the whole time. BAM
 
Okay let me break my post down for you.


So we know that the blood of bulls and goats that was shed in the temple as a sacrifice for sin was only a covering for one year. And then they had to do it again the next year. It was a covering it didn't take away the sins, Jesus, His sacrifice on the other hand, the one sacrifice for all time for all believers removed sin and the penalty of sin. Washed us white as snow.

If you want to believe that the sacrifice of Jesus wasn't good enough to give us eternal life, that somehow the eternal life that Jesus paid for can go away. That would make his sacrifice like the yearly sacrifice in the temple. It was only good for a certain amount of time if it was possible to lose your salvation.

Hebrews chapter 10 explains this much better than I can. Read Here>>>

Here's my take on this critical issue :

"Hebrews 10:14 & The Efficacy of Christ’s Atoning Work"

 
Here's my take on this critical issue : "Hebrews 10:14 & The Efficacy of Christ’s Atoning Work"
Nice blog, Keep up the good work.😍
The efficiency of Christ atoning work, How could you possibly undo that. That's like we couldn't save ourselves. But now that we're saved we can somehow undo that. We can't undo our position in Christ. It's kind of like jumping off the top of a moving ferris wheel so you can get in line to get some Cotton candy.

Once you've tasted the goodness of Jesus why would you want to leave?
 
Well, from all that I've seen, most every supporter of the loss of salvation doctrine does not deny that the blood of Christ is adequate for the redemption of humanity. The bigger disagreement here arises over the question, "will every regenerated person continue believing that the blood of Christ is adequate for their [personal] redemption/salvation?"

In other words, they claim that there will be some genuine blood-bought children of God that will ultimately perish eternally in the Lake of Fire as a consequence of their own failure to continue believing ["enduring unto the end"] in what they at one time believed.

Therefore, it appears to me that the whole discussion actually revolves around the issue of faith/belief ... and most specifically, stated as a question, "will any regenerated individual actually "stop believing" in that which was necessary to be believed for their salvation subsequent to their initial regeneration unto eternal life?"
I think a regenerated individual will not stop actually believing in his salvation.

Jesus had something to say about that. About people that followed him for a while and then turned back to their old life. They were never really born again.

One part of Matthew 7:21-23 That sticks out to me is "I never knew you". They just couldn't seem to get through that narrow gate.
 
I think a regenerated individual will not stop actually believing in his salvation.

Jesus had something to say about that. About people that followed him for a while and then turned back to their old life. They were never really born again.

One part of Matthew 7:21-23 That sticks out to me is "I never knew you". They just couldn't seem to get through that narrow gate.

"I think a regenerated individual will not stop actually believing in his salvation."

Yes, yes, and yes! That truth is verified by the following verses :

1 Thessalonians 5:22-24 :

23 "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also WILL DO IT."
 
No I don't look at anything from the calvinistic perspective. I'm definitely not into perseverance of the Saints. My thoughts are Jesus saves us and Jesus Keeps Us. He said so. I don't look for a work around. Those yeah Jesus said that but... What if... What about Judas.... and the list goes on and on.
Okay, my bad. I’ll try to keep that in mind in the future.


I like to keep it simple. Jesus said I'll never leave you nor forsake you. Here's a thought. Way back in my young days as a Christian I heard this analogy preached from the pulpit, I'll try to do it justice.

Okay back in the sixties this flower child that was all into sex drugs and rock and roll gets saved. Everything is going great he's doing street evangelism going to church giving his testimony it's all good in the Jesus hood right?

Then his favorite rock band comes to town and one of his old buddies from his hippie days gives him tickets. He knows it could be risky but it's been so long since he's been to a concert and he puts his better judgment behind him. He wants to party.

So on the night of the concert he's heading out the door low and behold Jesus is going with him. The guy takes Jesus by the shoulders leads them back to the couch and tells him no you stay here Jesus I'll check in with you when I get back. Then he turns around to leave, Jesus gets up off the couch to go with him. Once again the guy tells him no you stay here Jesus.

He turns around to leave bound and determine to go. This time he doesn't notice Jesus being with him. He gets to the concert parties Like It's 1999 and on the way home he gets in a pretty serious car accident. He wakes up in the hospital and there's Jesus right there with him. What does the guy do. He confesses his sin ask for forgiveness and Jesus is faithful and just to forgive him of his sin and to cleanse him from all unrighteousness.

That's eternal security, Not perseverance of the Saints, Not once saved always saved. We're eternally secure in Jesus. The key is to stay with Jesus. We're covered by his blood. Now you step out from under that covering....well let's just say you could be headed for a car wreck. But Jesus never left you. You may think he left him but Jesus was there the whole time. BAM
1 Cor 6:12“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” b 17But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

So this is a biblical example that I think might parallel your story. Would Jesus go/stay with you if you keep going to the prostitute?

The question is not if we sin, it’s if we keep on sinning.

Heb 10:26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Jesus promises to never leave us but we can certainly leave him. The relationship is fractured if either party leaves. I’m a pretty simple guy as well. And good relationships have all parties equally invested and committed. The promises are only for those believing.

Your argument seems to be one sided needing only Jesus to be faithful.


Doug
 
I think a regenerated individual will not stop actually believing in his salvation.

Jesus had something to say about that. About people that followed him for a while and then turned back to their old life. They were never really born again.

One part of Matthew 7:21-23 That sticks out to me is "I never knew you". They just couldn't seem to get through that narrow gate.

"One part of Matthew 7:21-23 That sticks out to me is "I never knew you". They just couldn't seem to get through that narrow gate."

Yes, there are two very different ways that people perceive Luke 13:24 -- "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."...and it's critically important that we gain a proper perspective of it.

The big question here is, "who are you trusting in to save you?" Have you trusted in Christ to save you, or is your entry in Heaven depended upon your (past, present, or future) behavior or performance? My friend, it doesn't get any more important than this, we simply cannot afford to get this one wrong.

Those who are depending upon their performance to "compliment" or 'complete" Christ's finished work on the cross (in some manner, in one degree or another) will never gain full assurance that their sins were all washed away, and that they will receive a Heavenly inheritance. This "PBA" mindset ("performance based acceptance" before God) is what prevents multitudes from entering the narrow gate, and explains why Jesus said the path to destruction is so very wide. It lies at the heart of the deceived masses of humanity. Matthew 7:13,"“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it."

In 1 Corinthians 6:11 we are told, "And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.".... All those who have been justified (past tense) are also clearly said to have been sanctified (past tense)....then,

In Hebrews 10:14 we are told, "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."...those who are in the process of sanctification are said to be perfected forever! ... this truth in itself should put to rest the entire debate over the issue of the eternal security of the believer.

Those who have not yet entered into the strait or narrow gate (through faith in the atoning work of Christ and the imputed righteousness of Christ on their behalf) are yet seeking for salvation (as their absence of full assurance inwardly testifies to them). Those who have placed their full confidence in Christ's atonement have already entered in through that narrow gate, they have (past tense) obtained eternal life.

So yes, there is a sense in which we are exhorted to "strive" to enter in, but the meaning is quite the opposite of what most people believe. The true sense of "striving" brings with it the sense of searching out the scriptures for ourselves for the truth, so that we can discover the method or means in which we can be justified or accepted before God. Think about it, what is the grand distinction between the true Christian faith and all of the rest of the world's major religions?.. all of them, in some form or another, are seeking acceptance before the One True God through their (self-righteous) performance, and deny the scriptural truth that trusting in Christ's atoning work is the only "work" required for justification or acceptance before Him....this is the common denominator in all of them!

Many have a difficult time accepting this ultimate reality of the grace of God. They wrongly suppose that once a sinner accepts the free gift of eternal life and are guaranteed a future entrance into Heaven, they then believe that they have received a free pass or license to sin. This is a total misunderstanding of the nature of grace, and what develops in the constitution of the sinner's mindset subsequent to their new birth. After regeneration they are in no sense whatsoever striving to gain or "maintain" acceptance before God; but instead, by virtue of their new nature, they will desire to please their Heavenly Father.

The Apostle Paul knew full well the problems that would exist, that is, the denials , and misunderstandings that would exist concerning the true nature of the amazing grace of God, and addressed it in the book of Romans...Romans 6:1-2,"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

That is to say, all those who truly have experienced the new birth will not continue to practice sin in thought and deed as they priorly did, but will possess an inward desire and ability to depart from it's practice. 1 John 3:9,"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." (see my post #61 - July 27th - page 4) - those who have truly experienced new birth will not habitually, deliberately, and characteristically practice sin.

This reality was made actual through the Holy Spirit's agency when He implanted a new heart in the believer (and thereby became a new creation). 2 Corinthians 5:17-21,"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

The necessary conditions/requirements/fruits/works mentioned throughout scripture will be manifested and produced in all true believers by virtue of the Holy Spirit's indwelling presence. They will exist as the inevitable by-product of the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit and the new nature/heart miraculously delivered at the new birth (John 3:3-8; Titus 3:5). (see my post # 62 - Aug.14 -page 4).

There are many who would like to label this great gospel truth, the claim that eternal life is forever secured for a person when they place their full confidence in Christ's substitutionary work on the cross on their behalf, as "easy believeism". My question to them is, "If it's so easy to believe, then why do so very few truly believe it?"
 
Okay, my bad. I’ll try to keep that in mind in the future.



1 Cor 6:12“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” b 17But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

So this is a biblical example that I think might parallel your story. Would Jesus go/stay with you if you keep going to the prostitute?

The question is not if we sin, it’s if we keep on sinning.

Heb 10:26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Jesus promises to never leave us but we can certainly leave him. The relationship is fractured if either party leaves. I’m a pretty simple guy as well. And good relationships have all parties equally invested and committed. The promises are only for those believing.

Your argument seems to be one sided needing only Jesus to be faithful.


Doug
He would forgive you for going to the prostitute if you asked him. That 70x 70 thing. But I believe there are consequences for our sins, in this case of the prostitute there could be many consequences. Sexually transmitted diseases could be one. That could be a good wake up call.
 
The question is not if we sin, it’s if we keep on sinning...The promises are only for those believing.
Precious friend, only for those who 'endure/keep believing to the end'? Correct?

Agree, sin "grieves The Spirit" (Eph 4:30), and keep on sinning "quenches The Spirit" (1Th 5:19),
Correct? The Holy Spirit 'leaves and the saint is now condemned'? Sound about right?

How about This Promise, To the Newly-born babe In Christ:

"at The Very First Moment of" belief / faith / trust?:

"That we should be to The Praise Of His Glory, who first trusted in Christ.​
In Whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word of Truth,​
The Gospel of your salvation: in Whom also after that ye believed,​
ye were Sealed With That Holy Spirit of Promise, Which is The Earnest
of our inheritance Until The Redemption of The Purchased possession,​
Unto The Praise Of His Glory." (Ephesians 1:12-14)​
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"And grieve not The Holy Spirit of God, Whereby ye are​
Sealed 'Unto The Day' Of Redemption." (Ephesians 4:30)​
sin breaks the Seal Of God, And God "BREAKS" His Holy Word? In Which Case,
let us also Deny [ and be Condemned ] about 12-Dozen Other Plain And Clear
Scriptures He Gave,
shall ↑ we ↑ ?

God's Operation Is Performed on all new-born babes In Christ!
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God's Eternal Life Insurance!

Conclusion: How is it that "sinning saints" being condemned is:

"Unto The Praise Of His Glory", When Scripture Teaches Otherwise?

Amen.
 
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Precious friend, only for those who 'endure/keep believing to the end'? Correct?

Agree, sin "grieves The Spirit" (Eph 4:30), and keep on sinning "quenches The Spirit" (1Th 5:19),
Correct? The Holy Spirit 'leaves and the saint is now condemned'? Sound about right?

How about This Promise, To the Newly-born babe In Christ:

"at The Very First Moment of" belief / faith / trust?:

"That we should be to The Praise Of His Glory, who first trusted in Christ.​
In Whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word of Truth,​
The Gospel of your salvation: in Whom also after that ye believed,​
ye were Sealed With That Holy Spirit of Promise, Which is The Earnest
of our inheritance Until The Redemption of The Purchased possession,​
Unto The Praise Of His Glory." (Ephesians 1:12-14)​
+
"And grieve not The Holy Spirit of God, Whereby ye are​
Sealed 'Unto The Day' Of Redemption." (Ephesians 4:30)​
sin breaks the Seal Of God, And God "BREAKS" His Holy Word? In Which Case,
let us also Deny [ and be Condemned ] about 12-Dozen Other Plain And Clear
Scriptures He Gave,
shall ↑ we ↑ ?

God's Operation Is Performed on all new-born babes In Christ!
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance!

Conclusion: How is it that "sinning saints" being condemned is:

"Unto The Praise Of His Glory", When Scripture Teaches Otherwise?

Amen.

Yes indeed! God The Holy Spirit provided the down payment or purchase price of our inheritance ... all the way until the redemption of the possession [that time at which every child of God attains to their glorified state in Heaven]. Could any one of us mere humans qualify to make such a provision? ... absolutely not. So how is it that there are some [Loss of Salvation Advocates] who claim that when a child of God falls short of receiving their glorified state in Heaven that the blame is to be be placed on the child of God?

First of all, there is no "blame" here, there simply will be nobody to blame in their hypothetical scenario since every child of God is guaranteed to attain the promise [therefore, there certainly is no placing of the blame on God either ---it's a "no-fail" scenario].

Secondly, since no child of God could possibly qualify to provide the down payment, it only follows that no child of God could possibly provide the necessary "balance" needed for their ultimate redemption ... the entire price of our salvation was paid for by the finished atoning work of Jesus Christ alone ... from start to finish!

Philippians 1:6, " Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ".

This is certainly not to say that the child of God plays no role whatsoever here [i.e. - that this wonderful promise is absolutely unconditional], but instead is to emphasize the fact that salvation can only be attained through the sole condition of placing their faith in Christ's substitutionary atoning work alone.

That lone condition of entering the narrow gate was met [past tense] by every child of God. In other words, at the time of the new-birth experience [John 3:3], every child of God entered into "the narrow gate" of salvation [Matthew 7:13-14], and consequently were assured to attain to the ultimate redemption of the body!
 
Yes indeed! God The Holy Spirit provided the down payment or purchase price of our inheritance ... all the way until the redemption of the possession [that time at which every child of God attains to their glorified state in Heaven]. Could any one of us mere humans qualify to make such a provision? ... absolutely not. So how is it that there are some [Loss of Salvation Advocates] who claim that when a child of God falls short of receiving their glorified state in Heaven that the blame is to be be placed on the child of God?

First of all, there is no "blame" here, there simply will be nobody to blame in their hypothetical scenario since every child of God is guaranteed to attain the promise [therefore, there certainly is no placing of the blame on God either ---it's a "no-fail" scenario].

Secondly, since no child of God could possibly qualify to provide the down payment, it only follows that no child of God could possibly provide the necessary "balance" needed for their ultimate redemption ... the entire price of our salvation was paid for by the finished atoning work of Jesus Christ alone ... from start to finish!

Philippians 1:6, " Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ".

This is certainly not to say that the child of God plays no role whatsoever here [i.e. - that this wonderful promise is absolutely unconditional], but instead is to emphasize the fact that salvation can only be attained through the sole condition of placing their faith in Christ's substitutionary atoning work alone.

That lone condition of entering the narrow gate was met [past tense] by every child of God. In other words, at the time of the new-birth experience [John 3:3], every child of God entered into "the narrow gate" of salvation [Matthew 7:13-14], and consequently were assured to attain to the ultimate redemption of the body!
I love how correct teaching is so uncomplicated and easy to understand. Somebody once said, if you could have it and not know it, you could lose it and not miss it. But the truth is, if you have salvation, you know it; and if you have it and know it, you can never lose it.
 
since no child of God could possibly qualify to provide the down payment, it only follows that no child of God could possibly provide the necessary "balance" needed for their ultimate redemption ... the entire price of our salvation was paid for by the finished atoning work of Jesus Christ alone ... from start to finish!
Amen:
I love how correct teaching is so uncomplicated and easy to understand.
And, Amen. Have never found any finite "balance" that is Equal to:

The All-Sufficient BLOOD Of The Infinite God!
Amen.
 
Amen:

And, Amen. Have never found any finite "balance" that is Equal to:

The All-Sufficient BLOOD Of The Infinite God!
Amen.
Sounds familiar, hum a few bars and I'll fake it.

I know it was the blood,
I know it was the blood,
I know it was the blood for me.

One day when I was lost
He died upon that cross,
I know it was the blood for me.
 
He would forgive you for going to the prostitute if you asked him. That 70x 70 thing. But I believe there are consequences for our sins, in this case of the prostitute there could be many consequences. Sexually transmitted diseases could be one. That could be a good wake up call.
To ask for forgiveness without repentance is meaningless! He is always ready to forgive, but repentance is the key. Jesus’s word to the woman caught in adultery come to mind, “Go and sin no more!”


Doug
 
Precious friend, only for those who 'endure/keep believing to the end'? Correct?
Only those who keep believing endure to the end!
Conclusion: How is it that "sinning saints" being condemned is:

"Unto The Praise Of His Glory", When Scripture Teaches Otherwise?
Wrong question, my brother/sister; how are “sinning saints” to the Praise of his Glory when scripture teaches otherwise?

Sinning saints are whom the Hebrew writer speaks when he says, “How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” (Heb 10:29-31)


Doug
 
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