Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[brightfame52]

you are wrong once again.

There is progressional sanctification mentioned numerous times in scripture
Is regeneration progressive ? yes or no

“Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). got?

To summarize, “sanctification” is a translation of the Greek word hagiasmos, meaning “holiness” or “a separation.” In the past, God granted us justification, a once-for-all, positional holiness in Christ. In the present, God guides us to maturity, a practical, progressive holiness. In the future, God will give us glorification, a permanent, ultimate holiness. These three phases of sanctification separate the believer from the penalty of sin (justification), the power of sin (maturity), and the presence of sin (glorification).

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hope this helps !!!

Sanctification of the Spirit and Regeneration are one.

 

[brightfame52]

Original Word: ἐκλογή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: eklogé
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-log-ay')
Definition: a (divine) selection
Usage: a choosing out, selecting, choice (by God).

The word is used 7 times in the N.T. Most by Paul in Romans 9-11 where is contradicts the Calvinists view on election. The Jews ( Gods elect,chosen ) were not saved as Paul pleads for their salvation in Romans 9-11.

Romans 9:11 N-AFS
GRK: ἡ κατ' ἐκλογὴν πρόθεσις τοῦ
NAS: according to [His] choice would stand,
KJV: according to election might stand,
INT: the according to election purpose

Romans 11:5 N-AFS
GRK: λεῖμμα κατ' ἐκλογὴν χάριτος γέγονεν
NAS: according to [God's] gracious choice.
KJV: according to the election of grace.
INT: a remnant according to election of grace there has been

Romans 11:7 N-NFS
GRK: ἡ δὲ ἐκλογὴ ἐπέτυχεν οἱ
NAS: it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained
KJV: but the election hath obtained it,
INT: but [the] elect obtained [it]

Romans 11:28 N-AFS
GRK: δὲ τὴν ἐκλογὴν ἀγαπητοὶ διὰ
NAS: but from the standpoint of [God's] choice they are beloved
KJV: as touching the election, [they are] beloved
INT: however the election beloved on account of

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Sanctification of the Spirit and Regeneration are one. and it occurs before and unto belief of the Truth and its limited to the elect, beloved chosen of the Lord 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification[or regeneration] of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[brightfame52]

So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. Romans 11:5

Paul is making the case that God has not rejected Israel as His people, as well as the fact that a remnant of Israel has remained faithful to God by faith in Christ. This small portion of the Jewish people have received Christ as Messiah instead of rejecting Him in order to try to be saved by their works through the law.

Paul proclaims now that this remnant has been chosen by God's grace. By this, Paul means that they have not earned their place in this faithful remnant of Israelites. Just as Gentile Christians are chosen by God's grace, these Israelites have received salvation as a gift. Paul wants to be clear they have not earned it in any way by being faithful to the law of Moses.

The following verse not only summarizes this point, it also stands alone as a crucial part of Christian theology. Grace cannot be mixed with good works—either salvation is attained according to God's grace, or it's earned by deeds. It cannot be both at the same time. Paul has already demonstrated that salvation by one's own works is impossible.

Romans 3:10 as it is written: None is righteous, no, not one.

Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

If election wasn't unconditional, then it couldn't be what scripture calls " the election of grace" Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Also unconditional election of grace is always reserved for a remnant, not everyone.

 

[Thaddeus]

Tulip is the Gospel of Gods Grace. Do you know what the acronym TULIP stands for ?

It stands for the false teaching found in Calvinism.

Calvinism is a confusing set of doctrines based on the five points of Calvinism in TULIP. Calvinists are famous for complicating the Bible, for reading Bible verses in a vacuum and for reading the Bible through the filter of some proof text verses with their own preferable interpretation.

Their unfortunate theology frequently leads to contradictions such as Jesus not dying for everyone and God causing people to sin, which they often disregard by stating “God’s ways are higher than your ways” or “who are you to argue against God?“.

The very first church fathers (up until close to the advent of Augustine) did not teach anything close to Calvinism which is semi-gnostic in nature. Calvinism is therefore based on the tradition of men rather than on the Bible and the understanding of the very first apostles/saints (see Jude 3).

Col. 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

 

[TedT]

If election wasn't unconditional, then it couldn't be what scripture calls " the election of grace" Rom 11:5

Is there a verse that says that grace is without condition? I missed it...

The condition I suggest is the condition that one must make a free will (uncoerced) choice by faith to accept YHWH as GOD, the Son as the only saviour from all sin and to give a yes to HIS marriage proposal. This decision brings the person into HIS grace.

Those who repudiate HIM as a liar and therefore as a false god and rebuke HIS marriage proposal, put themselves outside of HIS grace forever by rejecting HIM.

Those who accept HIM by faith, an unproven hope, live in HIS grace under HIS promise of election while those ro rebuke HIM as a false god and deny the Son any access to change their mind, are eternally estranged from HM by their unproven faith, unfit to marry HIM, fit only to be banished to the outer darkness - the fate they knew was inevitable if HE ever proved HE was our GOD but chose to follow anyway...

How is this a bad thing?

 

[brightfame52]

It stands for the false teaching found in Calvinism.

Calvinism is a confusing set of doctrines based on the five points of Calvinism in TULIP. Calvinists are famous for complicating the Bible, for reading Bible verses in a vacuum and for reading the Bible through the filter of some proof text verses with their own preferable interpretation.

Their unfortunate theology frequently leads to contradictions such as Jesus not dying for everyone and God causing people to sin, which they often disregard by stating “God’s ways are higher than your ways” or “who are you to argue against God?“.

The very first church fathers (up until close to the advent of Augustine) did not teach anything close to Calvinism which is semi-gnostic in nature. Calvinism is therefore based on the tradition of men rather than on the Bible and the understanding of the very first apostles/saints (see Jude 3).

Here you go calling the Truth of the Gospel false teaching

 

[brightfame52]

@TedT

Is there a verse that says that grace is without condition? I missed it...

What the scripture does say is suffice,

If election wasn't unconditional, then it couldn't be what scripture calls " the election of grace" Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Also unconditional election of grace is always reserved for a remnant, not everyone.

 

[Thaddeus]

Here you go calling the Truth of the Gospel false teaching

That's what I do best...expose the truth that Calvinism is a false gospel.

 

[TedT]

Here you go calling the Truth of the Gospel false teaching

I think he is calling the Calvinist interpretation of the gospel as false...

 

[brightfame52]

That's what I do best...expose the truth that Calvinism is a false gospel.

Actually Tulip is the Gospel and your attitude towards it is manifested.

 

[Thaddeus]

Actually Tulip is the Gospel and your attitude towards it is manifested.

Yes it's sad when someone is deceived into believing a Lie like Calvinism.

 

[Rowan]

If election wasn't unconditional, then it couldn't be what scripture calls " the election of grace" Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Also unconditional election of grace is always reserved for a remnant, not everyone.

In Rom 11:5 Paul is making the case that God has not rejected Israel as His people, as well as the fact that a remnant of Israel has remained faithful to God by faith in Christ. This small portion of the Jewish people have received Christ as Messiah instead of rejecting Him in order to try to be saved by their works through the law.

Paul proclaims now that this remnant has been chosen by God's grace. By this, Paul means that they have not earned their place in this faithful remnant of Israelites. Just as Gentile Christians are chosen by God's grace, these Israelites have received salvation as a gift. Paul wants to be clear they have not earned it in any way by being faithful to the law of Moses.

The following verse not only summarizes this point, it also stands alone as a crucial part of Christian theology. Grace cannot be mixed with good works—either salvation is attained according to God's grace, or it's earned by deeds. It cannot be both at the same time. Paul has already demonstrated that salvation by one's own works is impossible Romans 3:10

 

[brightfame52]

Yes it's sad when someone is deceived into believing a Lie like Calvinism.

Tulip is the Gospel and IThank God He prevented me from rejecting it as a mere philosophy of a man, those who that, are deceived by the devil.

 

[brightfame52]

In Rom 11:5 Paul is making the case that God has not rejected Israel as His people, as well as the fact that a remnant of Israel has remained faithful to God by faith in Christ. This small portion of the Jewish people have received Christ as Messiah instead of rejecting Him in order to try to be saved by their works through the law.

Paul proclaims now that this remnant has been chosen by God's grace. By this, Paul means that they have not earned their place in this faithful remnant of Israelites. Just as Gentile Christians are chosen by God's grace, these Israelites have received salvation as a gift. Paul wants to be clear they have not earned it in any way by being faithful to the law of Moses.

The following verse not only summarizes this point, it also stands alone as a crucial part of Christian theology. Grace cannot be mixed with good works—either salvation is attained according to God's grace, or it's earned by deeds. It cannot be both at the same time. Paul has already demonstrated that salvation by one's own works is impossible Romans 3:10

Doesnt make no difference what ones ethnicity is, election is of Grace, meaning Salvation is by Grace, only a remnant of mankind, the election of grace shall be saved.

 

[Red Baker]

That's what I do best...expose the truth that Calvinism is a false gospel.

What I do best is to expose EOC as a lie.....you know who EOC is....RCC little sister with no breast.

 

[civic]

He sure didnt.

You are calling Jesus a liar. I quoted a dozen passages where He said it was THEIR FAITH that saved them.

I will go with the Truth Jesus taught not the mad made doctrinal lies you teach.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

You are calling Jesus a liar. I quoted a dozen passages where He said it was THEIR FAITH that saved them.

I will go with the Truth Jesus taught not the mad made doctrinal lies you teach.

hope this helps !!!

He sure didnt.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Tulip is the Gospel and IThank God He prevented me from rejecting it as a mere philosophy of a man, those who that, are deceived by the devil.

Be careful with your words, my brother. Don't judge in haste, lest you want to be judged that way.

If Arminians were deceived by the devil, by definition they would start doing evil things... but you have no proof whatsoever that you live a holier life than @civic. Do you?
That being a child of God makes you act with righteouness, and being the child of the devil makes you act in evil way, is manifest in Scriptures.

If Armininans are wrong in rejecting TULIP, or if Calvinists are wrong in embracing TULIP, it is because their limited understanding... limitation that God Himself has placed there for the future manifestation of his healing power, just as He did with the blind man who was blind since birth.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You are calling Jesus a liar. I quoted a dozen passages where He said it was THEIR FAITH that saved them.

I will go with the Truth Jesus taught not the mad made doctrinal lies you teach.

hope this helps !!!

Do you really think that @brightfame52 is calling Jesus a liar?
Come on! He's not. He loves Jesus just as you do.
In regard to the dozen passages where Jesus said that it was THEIR FAITH tghat save them, please tell me:

Is your faith really YOURS, or a gift from God?


The Bible says that our faith, and even our wish to live by faith, all comes from God.
So, you are OK if you call your faith yours, or if you call it God's. It's OK both ways, and it applies to any good thing we can have.
Is the money you got from your job yours, or God's gift? Is your wife yours, or God's gift?

 

[civic]

Do you really think that @brightfame52 is calling Jesus a liar?
Come on! He's not. He loves Jesus just as you do.
In regard to the dozen passages where Jesus said that it was THEIR FAITH tghat save them, please tell me:

Is your faith really YOURS, or a gift from God?


The Bible says that our faith, and even our wish to live by faith, all comes from God.
So, you are OK if you call your faith yours, or if you call it God's. It's OK both ways, and it applies to any good thing we can have.
Is the money you got from your job yours, or God's gift? Is your wife yours, or God's gift?

No the bible does not say what you claim.

NEVER in the bible is faith ever given/granted to an unbeliever.