Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[Johann]

No we are not. You deny Salvation by Grace. Whenever a person promotes salvation for all mankind that's a serious error. And Im sure you meant something different by service than I did.

Nope, I'm not in denial of salvation by grace.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this (+) is not from yourselves, (+) it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 (+) it is not from works, so that no one can boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, so that we may walk in them.


Eph 2:8 For by unmerited Chen v'Chesed Hashem you have been delivered from Hashem's Mishpat (Judgment) and granted a share in the Geulah (Redemption), through emunah; and this is not [an ainfal (intuitive idea)] of yourselves, it is a matnat Hashem (gift of G-d);
Eph 2:9 Not the result [of the zchus (merit)] of doing ma’asim (works) [Ac 15:1; Ga 5:3 4], so that before Hashem no man should be a ravrevan (boaster, braggart). [DEVARIM 9:5]
Eph 2:10 For we are His masterpiece, having been created in Moshiach Yehoshua for ma'asim tovim, which Hashem prepared beforehand, that the derech of our halakhah should be in them.[YESHAYAH 29:23; 42:7; 60:21;]


Eph 2:8 For [it is] γὰρ - Τῇ by grace χάριτί you have been ἐστε saved σεσῳσμένοι through διὰ faith, πίστεως· and καὶ this τοῦτο not οὐκ from ἐξ yourselves; ὑμῶν, [it is] the τὸ gift δῶρον· of God, Θεοῦ
Eph 2:9 not οὐκ by ἐξ works, ἔργων, so that ἵνα no μή one τις can boast. καυχήσηται.
Eph 2:10 For γάρ we are ἐσμεν [God’s] αὐτοῦ workmanship, ποίημα, created κτισθέντες in ἐν Christ Χριστῷ Jesus Ἰησοῦ to do ἐπὶ good ἀγαθοῖς, works, ἔργοις which οἷς - ὁ God Θεὸς prepared in advance προητοίμασεν as ἵνα our way of life περιπατήσωμεν. . . . ἐν . . . . αὐτοῖς


להראות בדרות הבאים את־גדלת עשר חסדו בטובתו עלינו במשיח ישוע׃
כי־בחסד נושעתם על־ידי האמונה ולא מידכם היתה זאת כי־מתת אלהים היא׃
לא מתוך המעשים שלא יתהלל איש׃
כי־פעל אלהים אנחנו נבראים במשיח ישוע למעשים טובים אשר הכין האלהים מקדם למען נתהלך

Eph 2:5 και οντας ημας νεκρους τοις παραπτωμασιν συνεζωοποιησεν τω χριστω χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι
Eph 2:6 και συνηγειρεν και συνεκαθισεν εν τοις επουρανιοις εν χριστω ιησου
Eph 2:7 ινα ενδειξηται εν τοις αιωσιν τοις επερχομενοις τον υπερβαλλοντα πλουτον της χαριτος αυτου εν χρηστοτητι εφ ημας εν χριστω ιησου
Eph 2:8 τη γαρ χαριτι εστε σεσωσμενοι δια της πιστεως και τουτο ουκ εξ υμων θεου το δωρον

J.

 

[civic]

No we are not. You deny Salvation by Grace. Whenever a person promotes salvation for all mankind that's a serious error. And Im sure you meant something different by service than I did.

Projecting again

 

[brightfame52]

@Johann

Nope, I'm not in denial of salvation by grace.

Sure you are, if you believe salvation is for all mankind. Dont you believe that ? Grace means a remnant will be saved.

 

[Johann]

@Johann



Sure you are, if you believe salvation is for all mankind. Dont you believe that ? Grace means a remnant will be saved.

I don't embrace Calvin and his Institutes friend, plenty of that going around-no hope for the sinner, no hope for a lost and dying world, no gospel.

J.

 

[Doug Brents]

Sure you are, if you believe salvation is for all mankind. Dont you believe that ? Grace means a remnant will be saved.

Grace just means an unmerited gift.
Everyone who has ever lived has the opportunity to receive grace, but not everyone will choose to accept it. Everyone could be saved, but not everyone will be saved. God's gift is there and accessible to everyone, but not everyone will open their hearts, surrender their pride and will, and accept God's gift. You and Calvin want to put that failing on God, but He is not to blame when people do not accept Him. He loved us first, and He will only accept those who love Him more than they love themselves.

 

[brightfame52]

I don't embrace Calvin and his Institutes friend, plenty of that going around-no hope for the sinner, no hope for a lost and dying world, no gospel.

J.

I never read calvin institutes,however I know if someone believes Christ died to save all mankind, instead of dying and saving exclusively Gods elect, they embrace a false gospel. They deny Grace

 

[brightfame52]

Grace just means an unmerited gift.
Everyone who has ever lived has the opportunity to receive grace, but not everyone will choose to accept it. Everyone could be saved, but not everyone will be saved. God's gift is there and accessible to everyone, but not everyone will open their hearts, surrender their pride and will, and accept God's gift. You and Calvin want to put that failing on God, but He is not to blame when people do not accept Him. He loved us first, and He will only accept those who love Him more than they love themselves.

That unmerited favor saves and is exclusive to only a remnant of mankind. Rom 11:5-7

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election[remnant] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Other than the remnant, the rest of mankind is hardened and that unto destruction

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

...but not everyone will open their hearts, surrender their pride and will, and accept God's gift. ...

I love to read this from you.
This is what God demands from people to be forgiven: God wants us to open our hearts, and surrender our pride and will.
There are millions of people of many religions and theologies who do not share your same beliefs, and yet they open their hearts, and surrender their pride and will, and get transformed into new beings.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I never read calvin institutes,however I know if someone believes Christ died to save all mankind, instead of dying and saving exclusively Gods elect, they embrace a false gospel. They deny Grace

What makes you think that they deny grace?
What have you observed in them?

 

[Doug Brents]

I love to read this from you.
This is what God demands from people to be forgiven: God wants us to open our hearts, and surrender our pride and will.
There are millions of people of many religions and theologies who do not share your same beliefs, and yet they open their hearts, and surrender their pride and will, and get transformed into new beings.

Surrendering our pride and will does not mean just sitting back and taking in what He has to give us. We also must take action of repentance, confessing Him as our Lord (our ONLY Lord), and being baptized into Him. And we must also not believe in all the things you think are ok, like also believing in the book or mormon or the quran, praying to humans (dead or alive) who are not God, following other religious leaders who are not God, etc.

 

[brightfame52]

What makes you think that they deny grace?
What have you observed in them?

Tulip is the Gospel of Gods Grace. Do you know what the acronym TULIP stands for ?

 

[brightfame52]

@Pancho Frijoles

God wants us to open our hearts,

God opens up hearts that He wants to believe the Truth from a faithful preacher Acts 16:14

14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Thats a Gift !