Johann
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A huge Amen to this-we are here to learn!
Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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I'm no fan of
I am no fan of John Fullerton MacArthur Jr.~I do not judge him, (before the Lord only will he stand or will he fall in that day) but neither do I follow him what little I know of him. He at one time believed in the same doctrine concerning the Sonship of Jesus Christ just as I believe it and teach it, yet dropped it because of the heat he got from others in believing as he did. I lost all respect of his true love for the word of God above the favor of man.
I love Gill not because of him being a Calvinist, but his overall understanding of the scriptures except his eschatology.
Sproul, Piper and MacArthur~I have not spent a handful of hours reading them, a little too weak for me, and more than that, a little too much Catholicism hidden in their teachings~a little leaven (Presbyterianism) is dangerous.
Give me men like Samuel Richardson and all those Particular Baptist back in 1500's /1600's hundred.
John Brine (1703-1765) And His Contemporaries As Seen By Modern Revisionists
Part II: Brine’s Theology In his Treatise on Various Subjects Brine says his calling is to defend the doctrines and principles of our religion, and to vindicate the sacred Word of God. As time is less than our subject craves, I shall select a few of his defences and vindications relevant to...
www.baptists.net
https://www.pbpage.org/justification-by-christ-alone.pdf
The very best Article concerning Justification by faith that has ever been written~hands down!
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This is scripture
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
One is sealed in Christ after having believed
you have reversed it.
Rockson
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I think it's safe to say that the Apostle Paul's article was even better.
And for second place....have you ever read mine?
Johann
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Bookmarked this @Red Baker-thank you!I love Gill not because of him being a Calvinist, but his overall understanding of the scriptures except his eschatology.
Sproul, Piper and MacArthur~I have not spent a handful of hours reading them, a little too weak for me, and more than that, a little too much Catholicism hidden in their teachings~a little leaven (Presbyterianism) is dangerous.
Give me men like Samuel Richardson and all those Particular Baptist back in 1500's /1600's hundred.
John Brine (1703-1765) And His Contemporaries As Seen By Modern Revisionists
Part II: Brine’s Theology In his Treatise on Various Subjects Brine says his calling is to defend the doctrines and principles of our religion, and to vindicate the sacred Word of God. As time is less than our subject craves, I shall select a few of his defences and vindications relevant to...
https://www.pbpage.org/justification-by-christ-alone.pdf
The very best Article concerning Justification by faith that has ever been written~hands down!
No, but would be happy to do so. Give me a link.I think it's safe to say that the Apostle Paul's article was even better.
And for second place....have you ever read mine?
Rockson
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No I don't have a drawn out writing on the subject although I have wrote on message boards much about it. When I stated but you haven't read mine I meant that as a humor statement making a point The Apostle Paul had the very best writing on the subject not a teacher you might follow and after Paul there could be a great many more you or I have never heard of. My point is I think we're amiss if we say person A or B has the very best writing on anything unless it's the actual scriptures themselves.
civic
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Thanks for sharingI love Gill not because of him being a Calvinist, but his overall understanding of the scriptures except his eschatology.
Sproul, Piper and MacArthur~I have not spent a handful of hours reading them, a little too weak for me, and more than that, a little too much Catholicism hidden in their teachings~a little leaven (Presbyterianism) is dangerous.
Give me men like Samuel Richardson and all those Particular Baptist back in 1500's /1600's hundred.
John Brine (1703-1765) And His Contemporaries As Seen By Modern Revisionists
Part II: Brine’s Theology In his Treatise on Various Subjects Brine says his calling is to defend the doctrines and principles of our religion, and to vindicate the sacred Word of God. As time is less than our subject craves, I shall select a few of his defences and vindications relevant to...
https://www.pbpage.org/justification-by-christ-alone.pdf
The very best Article concerning Justification by faith that has ever been written~hands down!
Nope
You are not in Christ in eternity but in time
Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
it is the only way some could be in christ before others
and it is through faith
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Gill is widely viewed as a hyper CalvinistI love Gill not because of him being a Calvinist, but his overall understanding of the scriptures except his eschatology.
Sproul, Piper and MacArthur~I have not spent a handful of hours reading them, a little too weak for me, and more than that, a little too much Catholicism hidden in their teachings~a little leaven (Presbyterianism) is dangerous.
Give me men like Samuel Richardson and all those Particular Baptist back in 1500's /1600's hundred.
John Brine (1703-1765) And His Contemporaries As Seen By Modern Revisionists
Part II: Brine’s Theology In his Treatise on Various Subjects Brine says his calling is to defend the doctrines and principles of our religion, and to vindicate the sacred Word of God. As time is less than our subject craves, I shall select a few of his defences and vindications relevant to...
https://www.pbpage.org/justification-by-christ-alone.pdf
The very best Article concerning Justification by faith that has ever been written~hands down!
and
The group of Strict Baptists called Strict and Particular Baptists are Baptists who believe in a Calvinist interpretation of Christian salvation.
brightfame52
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God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Eph1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats why its an unconditional election of grace Duh
You contradict and refute yourself saying
"God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30"
and
"Thats why its an unconditional election of grace Duh"
and you fail to address rebuttal
Nope
You are not in Christ in eternity but in time
Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
it is the only way some could be in christ before others
and it is through faith
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
civic
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yes no one is saved prior to faith. no faith no salvation, justification, sanctification, glorification.
brightfame52
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God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Eph1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats why its an unconditional election of grace Duh
You continue to contradict yourself
saying
"God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30"
and
"Thats why its an unconditional election of grace Duh"
and you fail to address rebuttal
Nope
You are not in Christ in eternity but in time
Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
it is the only way some could be in christ before others
and it is through faith
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
And he/she contradicted self
brightfame52
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God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Eph1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats why its an unconditional election of grace The elect were in Him by election before the foundation of the world
brightfame52
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God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Eph1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats why its an unconditional election of grace The elect were in Him by election before the foundation of the world
