Doctrine of Unconditional Election

Sorry but no one is in Christ before believing

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

1cor 1:30 says nothing about being in Christ before the foundation of the earth

You add to and twist scripture for man made beliefs
God fulfilled that condition before the foundation 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Eph1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Thats why its an unconditional election of grace Duh
 
And Jesus sent out Judas as one of His 🐑 sheep 🐑 in Matthew 10.

Judas the stumbling block for your doctrine of elect, chosen, sheep etc

Matthew 10 he was a sheep among wolves performing miracles just like the rest of the disciples by the POWER of the Holy Spirit.
Just got in but will answer your post in the morning the Lord willing, and I trust he is!

For now~With good reason, therefore, does Luke expressly say that Satan entered into him; not that the Spirit of God formerly directed him, for he would not have been addicted to theft and robbery, if he had not been the slave of Satan from the very beginning~all point to this conclusion. We have no record of Judas performing miracles, it is an assumption on your part, but even if he did, then no problem, so did the false prophets of Pharaoh.

Exodus 7:11,12~"Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods."

So, Luke means, that he was at that time wholly given up to Satan, so that, like a desperate man, he violently sought his destruction. For though Satan may tempt us every day to sin against God, when he hurries us into a course of extraordinary wickedness; yet he is said to enter into the reprobate, when he takes possession of all their senses, overthrows the fear of God, extinguishes the light of reason, and destroys every feeling of shame. This extremity of vengeance God does not execute on any but those who are already devoted to destruction. for as soon as anyone have been abandoned to this tyranny, his rage will have no bounds. It is particularly worthy of notice, that the cause and source of so great blindness in Judas was avarice, which makes it evident that it is justly denominated by Paul the root of all evils, (1st Timothy 6:10.) To inquire here whether or not Satan entered into Judas bodily is an idle speculation~because, being a son of perdition, he already was under his dominion and reign. This was all part of the will of God having one of Satan's children living in the midst of the holy apostles transforming him into an angel of light~

2nd Corinthians 11:13-13~"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Just as Judas was!
 
Just got in but will answer your post in the morning the Lord willing, and I trust he is!

For now~With good reason, therefore, does Luke expressly say that Satan entered into him; not that the Spirit of God formerly directed him, for he would not have been addicted to theft and robbery, if he had not been the slave of Satan from the very beginning~all point to this conclusion. We have no record of Judas performing miracles, it is an assumption on your part, but even if he did, then no problem, so did the false prophets of Pharaoh.

Exodus 7:11,12~"Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods."

So, Luke means, that he was at that time wholly given up to Satan, so that, like a desperate man, he violently sought his destruction. For though Satan may tempt us every day to sin against God, when he hurries us into a course of extraordinary wickedness; yet he is said to enter into the reprobate, when he takes possession of all their senses, overthrows the fear of God, extinguishes the light of reason, and destroys every feeling of shame. This extremity of vengeance God does not execute on any but those who are already devoted to destruction. for as soon as anyone have been abandoned to this tyranny, his rage will have no bounds. It is particularly worthy of notice, that the cause and source of so great blindness in Judas was avarice, which makes it evident that it is justly denominated by Paul the root of all evils, (1st Timothy 6:10.) To inquire here whether or not Satan entered into Judas bodily is an idle speculation~because, being a son of perdition, he already was under his dominion and reign. This was all part of the will of God having one of Satan's children living in the midst of the holy apostles transforming him into an angel of light~

2nd Corinthians 11:13-13~"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Just as Judas was!
Judas was chosen,just not to salvation, but perdition. Everyone has been chosen either for salvation or perdition.
 
he was a devil, chosen for perdition Jn 6:70

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
he was one of Jesus sheep in Matt 19 sent out as sheep among wolves. He performed the exact same miracles as the other disciples sent out by Jesus in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Nice try
 
he was an elect, chosen, sheep of Jesus

Next
The burden of proof is on you since you are making Judas' salvation a bible truth~so, prove it. He was chosen to be part of the twelve so that God would use his testimony to add confirmation to the holy, pure life of his holy child, Jesus Christ, nothing more.

Matthew 27:4​


“Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

So God, in his all-wise providence, ordered it, that a testimony should be bore to the innocence of Christ, what better way of doing this than allowing a child of perdition to be among them going and coming, so we have from the mouth of this vile wretch that betrayed him this testimony recorded for us; to cut off the argument from the Jews, that one of his own disciples knew him to be a wicked man, and as such delivered him into their hands: for though Judas might not believe in him as the Messiah, and the Son of God, at least had no true faith in him, as such; yet he knew, and believed in his own conscience, that he was a good man, and a righteous and innocent one: and what he here says is a testimony of Christ's innocence, and what his conscience obliged him to; and shows the terrors that now encompassed him about; and might have been a warning to the Jews to have stopped all further proceedings against him~but, being a generation of viper, they could care less.

Judas confessed not to God, but to the Jews, showing us he had no spiritual relationship with God, plus, there's no hint anywhere in the scriptures he did, much less solid proof............when Peter sinned, he went out and wept bitterly to God for his sin.

The burden of proof is upon you, for even suggesting this vile person was a child of God~he was born a goat and died the same, his life proved who he was whenever the scriptures speak of him, it is always in a negative way.
 
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he was one of Jesus sheep in Matt 19 sent out as sheep among wolves. He performed the exact same miracles as the other disciples sent out by Jesus in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Pure assumption on your part with no scriptures to support you,
 
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And the disciples could not and did not understand the gospel and they were Gods elect / chosen sheep.
I would not go that far and say they could not, because they did understand in God's timing. Knowledge is not a prerequisite to salvation from sin and condemnation, since all of us are lacking in knowledge in certain areas, there will always be room for increasing in knowledge and the grace of God, always, even for the very best of God's children.

Yes, truth comes slowly to most , if not all of God's children, it is part of our fallen nature, being slow of heart, to understand truth ~ lies come very naturally to all of Adam's children.
So much for your false doctrines learned from Calvin.
Not sure to whom your post was intended for, but it seems to me.

let it be known, I did not learn very much from Calvin, since I never read behind him for the first six years, or so, of my Christian life. I was among the Independent Baptist, for the first two to three years before I left them and went searching for God's children who would just believe the word of God. Maybe more on thsi later....

I have read bits and pieces of Calvin over the past fifty years, and find him very good on practical doctrines, more so than concerning theological teachings. So, my understandings on Soteriology is not from Calvin, but from the scriptures~besides, the doctrine of unconditional salvation by grace alone, was preached way before Calvin and stronger by men after John Calvin. Men like Samuel Richardson, John Brine, John Gill and many others. Another study for another day.

Your whole systematic was just destroyed by the elect sheep who could not understand the gospel while walking with Jesus for 3 years.
You have no clue what you are attempting to say~maybe you need to explain yourself a little better.
 
Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:
If one truly understood Romans 5:12-19 then they would know that Jesus only died for those for whom he was their representative before the law of God. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep as we considered yesterday. Jesus came to be a surety for God's elect, have you ever done a study concerning suretyship? It is the contractual relationship in which a surety engages to answer for the debt or default of a principal to a third party.

Hebrews 7:22​


“By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.”

A study on this subject is absolutely needed to prove that Jesus only acted for God's elect. Later...

He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).
So, you just post scriptures without any sense being applied to them, thinking that's all is needed to justify your corrupt teaching. I can take each one and prove that you are corrupting God's word in order to support a false gospel of works, but what good would it do?

Let's take the first one for now in its context.

1st Timothy 2:1-6~"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

"The salvation which God wills that all men should enjoy, is not a mere possibility of salvation, or a mere putting them into a salvable state; or an offer of salvation to them; or a proposal of sufficient means of it to all in his word; but a real, certain, and actual salvation, which he has determined they shall have; and is sure from his own appointment, from the provision of Christ as a Saviour for them, from the covenant of grace, in which everything is secured necessary for it, and from the mission of Christ to effect it, and from its being effected by him: wherefore the will of God, that all men should be saved, is not a conditional will, or what depends on the will of man, or on anything to be performed by him, for then none might be saved; and if any should, it would be of him that willeth, contrary to the express words of Scripture; but it is an absolute and unconditional will respecting their salvation, and which infallibly secures it: nor is it such a will as is distinguishable into antecedent and consequent; with the former of which it is said, God wills the salvation of all men, as they are his creatures, and the work of his hands; and with the latter he wills, or not wills it, according to their future conduct and behaviour; but the will of God concerning man's salvation is entirely one, invariable, unalterable, and unchangeable: nor is it merely his will of approbation or complacency, which expresses only what would be grateful and well pleasing, should it be, and which is not always fulfilled; but it is his ordaining, purposing, and determining will, which is never resisted, so as to be frustrated, but is always accomplished: the will of God, the sovereign and unfrustrable will of God, has the governing sway and influence in the salvation of men; it rises from it, and is according to it; and all who are saved God wills they should be saved; nor are any saved, but whom he wills they should be saved: hence by all men, whom God would have saved, cannot be meant every individual of mankind, since it is not his will that all men, in this large sense, should be saved, unless there are two contrary wills in God; for there are some who were before ordained by him unto condemnation, and are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; and it is his will concerning some, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned; nor is it fact that all are saved, as they would be, if it was his will they should; for who hath resisted his will? but there is a world of ungodly men that will be condemned, and who will go into everlasting punishment: rather therefore all sorts of men, agreeably to the use of the phrase in ( 1 Timothy 2:1 ) are here intended, kings and peasants, rich and poor, bond and free, male and female, young and old, greater and lesser sinners; and therefore all are to be prayed for, even all sorts of men, because God will have all men, or all sorts of men, saved; and particularly the Gentiles may be designed, who are sometimes called the world, the whole world, and every creature; whom God would have saved, as well as the Jews, and therefore Heathens, and Heathen magistrates, were to be prayed for as well as Jewish ones. Moreover, the same persons God would have saved, he would have also

come to the knowledge of the truth:
of Christ, who is the truth, and to faith in him, and of all the truth of the Gospel, as it is in Jesus; not merely to a notional knowledge of it, which persons may arrive unto, and not be saved, but a spiritual and experimental knowledge of it; and all that are saved are brought to such a knowledge, which is owing to the sovereign will and good pleasure of God, who hides the knowledge of Gospel truths from the wise and prudent, and reveals them to babes: whence it appears, that it is not his will with respect to every individual of mankind; that they should thus come to the knowledge of the truth; for was it his will they should, he would, no doubt, give to every man the means of it, which he has not, nor does he; he suffered all nations to walk in their own ways, and overlooked their times of ignorance, and sent no message nor messenger to inform them of his will; he gave his word to Jacob, and his statutes unto Israel only; and the Gospel is now sent into one part of the world, and not another; and where it does come, it is hid to the most; many are given up to strong delusions to believe a lie, and few are savingly and experimentally acquainted with the truths of the Gospel; though all that are saved are brought to the knowledge of such truths as are necessary to salvation; for they are chosen to it through sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth." John Gill ~ Born: November 23, 1697, Kettering, United Kingdom Died: October 14, 1771
 
I will expose your fallacy again.
Please demonstrate Jesus was refereeing to anyone else besides the 12 ( His sheep ) and the pharisees ( not His sheep ).

John 6
Some time after this, Jesus crossed to the far shore of the Sea of Galilee (that is, the Sea of Tiberias), 2 and a great crowd of people followed him because they saw the signs he had performed by healing the sick. 3 Then Jesus went up on a mountainside and sat down with his disciples. 4 The Jewish Passover Festival was near.

5 When Jesus looked up and saw a great crowd coming toward him, he said to Philip, “Where shall we buy bread for these people to eat?” 6 He asked this only to test him, for he already had in mind what he was going to do.

7 Philip answered him, “It would take more than half a year’s wages[a] to buy enough bread for each one to have a bite!”

8 Another of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, spoke up, 9 “Here is a boy with five small barley loaves and two small fish, but how far will they go among so many?”

10 Jesus said, “Have the people sit down.” There was plenty of grass in that place, and they sat down (about five thousand men were there). 11 Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish.

12 When they had all had enough to eat, he said to his disciples, “Gather the pieces that are left over. Let nothing be wasted.” 13 So they gathered them and filled twelve baskets with the pieces of the five barley loaves left over by those who had eaten.

14 After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.” 15 Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.

16 When evening came, his disciples went down to the lake, 17 where they got into a boat and set off across the lake for Capernaum. By now it was dark, and Jesus had not yet joined them. 18 A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough. 19 When they had rowed about three or four miles,[b] they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were frightened. 20 But he said to them, “It is I; don’t be afraid.” 21 Then they were willing to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat reached the shore where they were heading.

22 The next day the crowd that had stayed on the opposite shore of the lake realized that only one boat had been there, and that Jesus had not entered it with his disciples, but that they had gone away alone. 23 Then some boats from Tiberias landed near the place where the people had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks. 24 Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

41 At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”

43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[e] and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.

68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” 71 (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)
So, what is your point in quoting John 6? Let me know and I'll come back and address it.
 
If one truly understood Romans 5:12-19 then they would know that Jesus only died for those for whom he was their representative before the law of God. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep as we considered yesterday. Jesus came to be a surety for God's elect, have you ever done a study concerning suretyship? It is the contractual relationship in which a surety engages to answer for the debt or default of a principal to a third party.

Hebrews 7:22​


“By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.”

A study on this subject is absolutely needed to prove that Jesus only acted for God's elect. Later...


So, you just post scriptures without any sense being applied to them, thinking that's all is needed to justify your corrupt teaching. I can take each one and prove that you are corrupting God's word in order to support a false gospel of works, but what good would it do?

Let's take the first one for now in its context.

1st Timothy 2:1-6~"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

"The salvation which God wills that all men should enjoy, is not a mere possibility of salvation, or a mere putting them into a salvable state; or an offer of salvation to them; or a proposal of sufficient means of it to all in his word; but a real, certain, and actual salvation, which he has determined they shall have; and is sure from his own appointment, from the provision of Christ as a Saviour for them, from the covenant of grace, in which everything is secured necessary for it, and from the mission of Christ to effect it, and from its being effected by him: wherefore the will of God, that all men should be saved, is not a conditional will, or what depends on the will of man, or on anything to be performed by him, for then none might be saved; and if any should, it would be of him that willeth, contrary to the express words of Scripture; but it is an absolute and unconditional will respecting their salvation, and which infallibly secures it: nor is it such a will as is distinguishable into antecedent and consequent; with the former of which it is said, God wills the salvation of all men, as they are his creatures, and the work of his hands; and with the latter he wills, or not wills it, according to their future conduct and behaviour; but the will of God concerning man's salvation is entirely one, invariable, unalterable, and unchangeable: nor is it merely his will of approbation or complacency, which expresses only what would be grateful and well pleasing, should it be, and which is not always fulfilled; but it is his ordaining, purposing, and determining will, which is never resisted, so as to be frustrated, but is always accomplished: the will of God, the sovereign and unfrustrable will of God, has the governing sway and influence in the salvation of men; it rises from it, and is according to it; and all who are saved God wills they should be saved; nor are any saved, but whom he wills they should be saved: hence by all men, whom God would have saved, cannot be meant every individual of mankind, since it is not his will that all men, in this large sense, should be saved, unless there are two contrary wills in God; for there are some who were before ordained by him unto condemnation, and are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; and it is his will concerning some, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned; nor is it fact that all are saved, as they would be, if it was his will they should; for who hath resisted his will? but there is a world of ungodly men that will be condemned, and who will go into everlasting punishment: rather therefore all sorts of men, agreeably to the use of the phrase in ( 1 Timothy 2:1 ) are here intended, kings and peasants, rich and poor, bond and free, male and female, young and old, greater and lesser sinners; and therefore all are to be prayed for, even all sorts of men, because God will have all men, or all sorts of men, saved; and particularly the Gentiles may be designed, who are sometimes called the world, the whole world, and every creature; whom God would have saved, as well as the Jews, and therefore Heathens, and Heathen magistrates, were to be prayed for as well as Jewish ones. Moreover, the same persons God would have saved, he would have also

come to the knowledge of the truth:
of Christ, who is the truth, and to faith in him, and of all the truth of the Gospel, as it is in Jesus; not merely to a notional knowledge of it, which persons may arrive unto, and not be saved, but a spiritual and experimental knowledge of it; and all that are saved are brought to such a knowledge, which is owing to the sovereign will and good pleasure of God, who hides the knowledge of Gospel truths from the wise and prudent, and reveals them to babes: whence it appears, that it is not his will with respect to every individual of mankind; that they should thus come to the knowledge of the truth; for was it his will they should, he would, no doubt, give to every man the means of it, which he has not, nor does he; he suffered all nations to walk in their own ways, and overlooked their times of ignorance, and sent no message nor messenger to inform them of his will; he gave his word to Jacob, and his statutes unto Israel only; and the Gospel is now sent into one part of the world, and not another; and where it does come, it is hid to the most; many are given up to strong delusions to believe a lie, and few are savingly and experimentally acquainted with the truths of the Gospel; though all that are saved are brought to the knowledge of such truths as are necessary to salvation; for they are chosen to it through sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth." John Gill ~ Born: November 23, 1697, Kettering, United Kingdom Died: October 14, 1771
Just going in and out--love Gill--you may proceed-
 
Pure assumption on your part with no scriptures to support you,
Pure rejection of Jesus teaching.

Matthew 10
Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

16 “I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
 
If one truly understood Romans 5:12-19 then they would know that Jesus only died for those for whom he was their representative before the law of God. Jesus laid down his life for the sheep as we considered yesterday. Jesus came to be a surety for God's elect, have you ever done a study concerning suretyship? It is the contractual relationship in which a surety engages to answer for the debt or default of a principal to a third party.

Hebrews 7:22​


“By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.”

A study on this subject is absolutely needed to prove that Jesus only acted for God's elect. Later...


So, you just post scriptures without any sense being applied to them, thinking that's all is needed to justify your corrupt teaching. I can take each one and prove that you are corrupting God's word in order to support a false gospel of works, but what good would it do?

Let's take the first one for now in its context.

1st Timothy 2:1-6~"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

"The salvation which God wills that all men should enjoy, is not a mere possibility of salvation, or a mere putting them into a salvable state; or an offer of salvation to them; or a proposal of sufficient means of it to all in his word; but a real, certain, and actual salvation, which he has determined they shall have; and is sure from his own appointment, from the provision of Christ as a Saviour for them, from the covenant of grace, in which everything is secured necessary for it, and from the mission of Christ to effect it, and from its being effected by him: wherefore the will of God, that all men should be saved, is not a conditional will, or what depends on the will of man, or on anything to be performed by him, for then none might be saved; and if any should, it would be of him that willeth, contrary to the express words of Scripture; but it is an absolute and unconditional will respecting their salvation, and which infallibly secures it: nor is it such a will as is distinguishable into antecedent and consequent; with the former of which it is said, God wills the salvation of all men, as they are his creatures, and the work of his hands; and with the latter he wills, or not wills it, according to their future conduct and behaviour; but the will of God concerning man's salvation is entirely one, invariable, unalterable, and unchangeable: nor is it merely his will of approbation or complacency, which expresses only what would be grateful and well pleasing, should it be, and which is not always fulfilled; but it is his ordaining, purposing, and determining will, which is never resisted, so as to be frustrated, but is always accomplished: the will of God, the sovereign and unfrustrable will of God, has the governing sway and influence in the salvation of men; it rises from it, and is according to it; and all who are saved God wills they should be saved; nor are any saved, but whom he wills they should be saved: hence by all men, whom God would have saved, cannot be meant every individual of mankind, since it is not his will that all men, in this large sense, should be saved, unless there are two contrary wills in God; for there are some who were before ordained by him unto condemnation, and are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; and it is his will concerning some, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned; nor is it fact that all are saved, as they would be, if it was his will they should; for who hath resisted his will? but there is a world of ungodly men that will be condemned, and who will go into everlasting punishment: rather therefore all sorts of men, agreeably to the use of the phrase in ( 1 Timothy 2:1 ) are here intended, kings and peasants, rich and poor, bond and free, male and female, young and old, greater and lesser sinners; and therefore all are to be prayed for, even all sorts of men, because God will have all men, or all sorts of men, saved; and particularly the Gentiles may be designed, who are sometimes called the world, the whole world, and every creature; whom God would have saved, as well as the Jews, and therefore Heathens, and Heathen magistrates, were to be prayed for as well as Jewish ones. Moreover, the same persons God would have saved, he would have also

come to the knowledge of the truth:
of Christ, who is the truth, and to faith in him, and of all the truth of the Gospel, as it is in Jesus; not merely to a notional knowledge of it, which persons may arrive unto, and not be saved, but a spiritual and experimental knowledge of it; and all that are saved are brought to such a knowledge, which is owing to the sovereign will and good pleasure of God, who hides the knowledge of Gospel truths from the wise and prudent, and reveals them to babes: whence it appears, that it is not his will with respect to every individual of mankind; that they should thus come to the knowledge of the truth; for was it his will they should, he would, no doubt, give to every man the means of it, which he has not, nor does he; he suffered all nations to walk in their own ways, and overlooked their times of ignorance, and sent no message nor messenger to inform them of his will; he gave his word to Jacob, and his statutes unto Israel only; and the Gospel is now sent into one part of the world, and not another; and where it does come, it is hid to the most; many are given up to strong delusions to believe a lie, and few are savingly and experimentally acquainted with the truths of the Gospel; though all that are saved are brought to the knowledge of such truths as are necessary to salvation; for they are chosen to it through sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth." John Gill ~ Born: November 23, 1697, Kettering, United Kingdom Died: October 14, 1771
eisegesis like I said its not in the bible- pure speculation on your part.
 
eisegesis like I said its not in the bible- pure speculation on your part.
You are clearly in error-
  1. John 6:70-71:"Jesus answered them, 'Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.' He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him."This passage indicates that Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas would betray Him, suggesting Judas was not a true follower.
  2. John 12:4-6:"But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was about to betray him), said, 'Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?' He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it."Here, Judas’s motivations are revealed to be dishonest and self-serving, indicating he was not a genuine disciple.
  3. John 17:12:"While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled."Jesus refers to Judas as the "son of destruction," indicating his role was part of the divine plan but also setting him apart from the true followers.
  4. Matthew 26:14-16:"Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, 'What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?' And they paid him thirty pieces of silver. And from that moment he sought an opportunity to betray him."This act of betrayal for money highlights Judas's lack of genuine commitment to Jesus.
  5. Acts 1:16-20:"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry." (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 'For it is written in the Book of Psalms, "May his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it"; and "Let another take his office."'"This passage reflects on Judas's betrayal and its consequences, further illustrating that he was not a true disciple.
These scriptures collectively portray Judas as someone who, despite being one of the twelve disciples, was not a genuine follower of Jesus due to his actions, motivations, and ultimate betrayal.

Psalm 41:9:

"Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me."
This verse is often seen as a prophecy about Judas’s betrayal, particularly because Jesus Himself quotes it in John 13:18 when predicting Judas's actions.
Psalm 55:12-14:

"For it is not an enemy who taunts me—then I could bear it; it is not an adversary who deals insolently with me—then I could hide from him. But it is you, a man, my equal, my companion, my familiar friend. We used to take sweet counsel together; within God's house we walked in the throng."
This passage is interpreted as expressing the deep betrayal felt by David, which is seen as a foreshadowing of Jesus’s betrayal by Judas, a close associate.
Zechariah 11:12-13:

"Then I said to them, 'If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.' And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. Then the Lord said to me, 'Throw it to the potter'—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord, to the potter."
This passage is seen as a prophecy of Judas’s betrayal price. In the New Testament, Matthew 26:14-16 and 27:3-10 explicitly connect the thirty pieces of silver to Judas’s betrayal of Jesus.
Psalm 69:25:

"May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents."

This verse is referenced in Acts 1:20 regarding Judas’s fate and the desolation of his place.
These Old Testament references are seen within the Christian tradition as prophetic pointers to the actions and fate of Judas Iscariot. They are understood to be part of the broader Messianic prophecies that point to the coming of Jesus and the events of His life, including His betrayal by one of His close followers.
 
You are clearly in error-
  1. John 6:70-71:"Jesus answered them, 'Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.' He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him."This passage indicates that Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas would betray Him, suggesting Judas was not a true follower.
  2. John 12:4-6:"But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was about to betray him), said, 'Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?' He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it."Here, Judas’s motivations are revealed to be dishonest and self-serving, indicating he was not a genuine disciple.
  3. John 17:12:"While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled."Jesus refers to Judas as the "son of destruction," indicating his role was part of the divine plan but also setting him apart from the true followers.
  4. Matthew 26:14-16:"Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, 'What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?' And they paid him thirty pieces of silver. And from that moment he sought an opportunity to betray him."This act of betrayal for money highlights Judas's lack of genuine commitment to Jesus.
  5. Acts 1:16-20:"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry." (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 'For it is written in the Book of Psalms, "May his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it"; and "Let another take his office."'"This passage reflects on Judas's betrayal and its consequences, further illustrating that he was not a true disciple.
These scriptures collectively portray Judas as someone who, despite being one of the twelve disciples, was not a genuine follower of Jesus due to his actions, motivations, and ultimate betrayal.

Psalm 41:9:

"Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me."
This verse is often seen as a prophecy about Judas’s betrayal, particularly because Jesus Himself quotes it in John 13:18 when predicting Judas's actions.
Psalm 55:12-14:

"For it is not an enemy who taunts me—then I could bear it; it is not an adversary who deals insolently with me—then I could hide from him. But it is you, a man, my equal, my companion, my familiar friend. We used to take sweet counsel together; within God's house we walked in the throng."
This passage is interpreted as expressing the deep betrayal felt by David, which is seen as a foreshadowing of Jesus’s betrayal by Judas, a close associate.
Zechariah 11:12-13:

"Then I said to them, 'If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.' And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. Then the Lord said to me, 'Throw it to the potter'—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord, to the potter."
This passage is seen as a prophecy of Judas’s betrayal price. In the New Testament, Matthew 26:14-16 and 27:3-10 explicitly connect the thirty pieces of silver to Judas’s betrayal of Jesus.
Psalm 69:25:

"May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents."

This verse is referenced in Acts 1:20 regarding Judas’s fate and the desolation of his place.
These Old Testament references are seen within the Christian tradition as prophetic pointers to the actions and fate of Judas Iscariot. They are understood to be part of the broader Messianic prophecies that point to the coming of Jesus and the events of His life, including His betrayal by one of His close followers.
I don't read the erroneous teachings of your cut/pastes.

when you start doing your own posting in your own words then I will read what you post.
 
I don't read the erroneous teachings of your cut/pastes.

when you start doing your own posting in your own words then I will read what you post.
Prove the Scriptures wrong because you can't-not can you refute Gill. Don't make this a personal issue-walk your age.

John Gill, in his extensive Bible commentary, provides several insights on Judas Iscariot and his role in the betrayal of Jesus. According to Gill, Judas was chosen by Jesus not by accident or ignorance, but to fulfill Scripture. Gill emphasizes that Judas' betrayal was necessary for the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's death, which would ultimately bring about the redemption of the world (Christianity) (Grace to You).

Gill refers to specific prophecies, such as Psalm 41:9, which speaks of a close friend betraying the Messiah. This verse is historically linked to David and his betrayal by Ahithophel, but prophetically it points to Jesus and Judas. Similarly, Psalm 55:12-14 describes betrayal by a close companion, reflecting Judas' actions. Additionally, Zechariah 11:12-13 predicts the exact price—thirty pieces of silver—for which Judas would betray Jesus, and this prophecy is fulfilled in the New Testament when Judas returns the money to the temple authorities (Grace to You).

Gill also explores the deeper motivations behind Judas' actions. While greed played a role, as indicated by Judas' negotiation for money in exchange for Jesus' capture, there was also a supernatural element. Both Luke and John suggest that Satan entered Judas, influencing him to betray Jesus at the opportune moment. This dual explanation—greed and satanic influence—provides a comprehensive understanding of Judas' betrayal from Gill's perspective (OverviewBible).

Overall, John Gill's commentary highlights that Judas' actions, while driven by personal motives and satanic influence, were ultimately part of a divine plan to fulfill the prophecies of the Messiah's suffering and death (Christianity) (Grace to You).

Johann.
 
You are clearly in error-
  1. John 6:70-71:"Jesus answered them, 'Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.' He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him."This passage indicates that Jesus knew from the beginning that Judas would betray Him, suggesting Judas was not a true follower.
  2. John 12:4-6:"But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was about to betray him), said, 'Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?' He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it."Here, Judas’s motivations are revealed to be dishonest and self-serving, indicating he was not a genuine disciple.
  3. John 17:12:"While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled."Jesus refers to Judas as the "son of destruction," indicating his role was part of the divine plan but also setting him apart from the true followers.
  4. Matthew 26:14-16:"Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, 'What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?' And they paid him thirty pieces of silver. And from that moment he sought an opportunity to betray him."This act of betrayal for money highlights Judas's lack of genuine commitment to Jesus.
  5. Acts 1:16-20:"Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. For he was numbered among us and was allotted his share in this ministry." (Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out. And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 'For it is written in the Book of Psalms, "May his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it"; and "Let another take his office."'"This passage reflects on Judas's betrayal and its consequences, further illustrating that he was not a true disciple.
These scriptures collectively portray Judas as someone who, despite being one of the twelve disciples, was not a genuine follower of Jesus due to his actions, motivations, and ultimate betrayal.

Psalm 41:9:

"Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me."
This verse is often seen as a prophecy about Judas’s betrayal, particularly because Jesus Himself quotes it in John 13:18 when predicting Judas's actions.
Psalm 55:12-14:

"For it is not an enemy who taunts me—then I could bear it; it is not an adversary who deals insolently with me—then I could hide from him. But it is you, a man, my equal, my companion, my familiar friend. We used to take sweet counsel together; within God's house we walked in the throng."
This passage is interpreted as expressing the deep betrayal felt by David, which is seen as a foreshadowing of Jesus’s betrayal by Judas, a close associate.
Zechariah 11:12-13:

"Then I said to them, 'If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.' And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. Then the Lord said to me, 'Throw it to the potter'—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord, to the potter."
This passage is seen as a prophecy of Judas’s betrayal price. In the New Testament, Matthew 26:14-16 and 27:3-10 explicitly connect the thirty pieces of silver to Judas’s betrayal of Jesus.
Psalm 69:25:

"May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents."

This verse is referenced in Acts 1:20 regarding Judas’s fate and the desolation of his place.
These Old Testament references are seen within the Christian tradition as prophetic pointers to the actions and fate of Judas Iscariot. They are understood to be part of the broader Messianic prophecies that point to the coming of Jesus and the events of His life, including His betrayal by one of His close followers.
Was Judas' betrayal any more egregious than Peter's (and every single one of the other Apostles' betrayal)? No. Judas' only problem was that he didn't repent properly. Sure he tried to give the money back, but he then went to hang himself. If he had still been alive when Jesus was resurrected, he could have been forgiven as Peter was. He was a disciple of Jesus, but he, like many of us, continued to be self-seeking instead of completely surrendering to Jesus.
 
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