brightfame52
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Im happy to say that there is no conditions to be saved, its all of Grace 100% even the believing
Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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brightfame52
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@Red Baker
This scripture is a condemnation to the religious leaders of the state, they were attempting to hinder Christs Ministry in gathering His Sheep, they would not have that, but Christ is and was quite successful in gathering His People from amongst them Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
He had no saving concern for them He was scolding, He knew they were going into damnation Matt 23:32-33
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
This scripture is a condemnation to the religious leaders of the state, they were attempting to hinder Christs Ministry in gathering His Sheep, they would not have that, but Christ is and was quite successful in gathering His People from amongst them Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
He had no saving concern for them He was scolding, He knew they were going into damnation Matt 23:32-33
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Believe
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Jesus did all the work, That's why He said it it is finished.
"The biblical condition is faith in Christ—being clothed in his righteousness."
Are we going to go into faith and believing are works? Then there's repenting and being baptized.
The Rogue Tomato
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Free-willers on here say believing is a work. They interpret "This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent" to mean "This is the work God requires". Which means believing is a work.
Behold
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How can you "escape the damnation of hell"?
Just Like this..
Jesus said.. "you must be born again".
How do you do that?
Like this..
Jesus said.. "" ALL that believe in me, i give unto you, ETERNAL LIFE, and you shall never go to hell (perish)"..
Notice that Jesus didnt say..>"only the pre-chosen to believe".
The thing about a deceived Calvinist, is that they have never read : John 3:16.
As if they did, they would read that Jesus is given to the "WORLD", and that is not talking about the planet earth dirt.
That is describing the "ALL".. . in this verse.
= Jesus said..."If i be lifted up.. (on the Cross)... I will draw ALL people to me"
And notice again that this is John 3:16.
Now Calvin hated those verses, and all of his deceived, ignore them or deny them.
brightfame52
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Jesus did all the work is right, but you say that wasn't enough, man must meet a qualification. Thats works
brightfame52
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Sorry, its no escaping the damnation of hell for them Jesus spoke them words to. And those whom He came to gather, He gathered them, and they were willing. They were His Sheep.
Believe
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10 Bible Verses answering “What Must I Do To Be Saved?”
Romans 10:9-10 ESV
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.Ephesians 2:8-10 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.Romans 10:13 ESV
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,Romans 6:23 ESV
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.John 3:5 ESV
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.Mark 16:16 ESV
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.Acts 16:31 ESV
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
The Rogue Tomato
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So many ways to be saved!! I'll pick this one: 'For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”' That's a lot easier than having to get baptized or believe God raised Him from the dead or get born of water and the spirit. 
Redeemed
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There are several texts that correlate a person’s belief with their salvation. In other words, salvation follows from, and is conditional upon, belief. It is not a secret decree of God that selects who will or who will not gain salvation, with belief playing an almost incidental, mechanical role in those chosen by God for salvation.
“If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9
The condition is clearly seen here: “if . . . then.” Here, salvation is conditional on verbal confession of Jesus as Lord and sincere belief in the resurrection of Christ. "Confess" reflects the genuineness of belief, and enables the grounds of salvation.
So salvation is tied to the person’s response to the gospel, not in some independent, impersonal decree that determines from eternity past who will or won’t be saved.
“In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise” (Eph 1:13).
After you believe you are sealed.
Redeemed
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Don't forget this one.So many ways to be saved!! I'll pick this one: 'For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”' That's a lot easier than having to get baptized or believe God raised Him from the dead or get born of water and the spirit.
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” Matthew 3:2
The first recorded words of John the Baptist are for the people of his day to prepare for Messiah’s arrival by repenting of their sins. Repentance is a prerequisite for entrance into the kingdom of God.
Jesus began his public ministry with precisely the same words:
From that time Jesus began to preach, crying out, Repent (change your mind for the better, heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins), for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 4:17
That obviously makes repentance is an important condition to be met if acceptance by God was to be had. The appeal would not make sense if it was God alone who unilaterally and unconditionally decided who would enter the kingdom. Those not selected by God to be saved could not repent, and those selected by God to be saved could not fail to repent! In either case the call, the appeal, would be a waste of breath.
“They went out and preached that men should repent” Mark 6:12
That's the command given to Jesus’s twelve disciples calling the common people to repent.
So again, divine blessing is conditional on repentance. Not repenting makes a heart set against God, and inn such conditions salvation would be impossible.
Behold
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The born again have Eternal Life and exist as "seated in Heavenly places".
Each of the born again has "Christ in you, the hope of Glory" and are "In Christ" and "One with God".
The born again wont be going to Hell.
brightfame52
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Sorry, its no escaping the damnation of hell for them Jesus spoke them words to. Matt 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Behold
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There is no escaping hell, if you die never born again.
Jesus said.. "You must be born again"..
And your "serpent, vipers" verse, is a reference to a Child of the DEVIL... = "You are of YOUR Father the Devil, and the Lusts of YOUR FATHER, you shall do".. Jesus said of ALL Unbelievers who have never been born again.
And how is the DEVIL described in Genesis?
= Serpent
And that is why Jesus refers to the spiritual offspring of the DEVIL as a "brood (children) of Vipers". Vipers are a type of Serpent.
That Serpent is the DEVIL.. = the spiritual father of all the unbelievers, who are never born again.
brightfame52
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Sorry, its no escaping the damnation of hell for them Jesus spoke them words to. Matt 23:33
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
You did not put on those special Calvinist lens.
civic, Romans eleven is about nations, not individuals, a position I have defended for years~when considering such verses as:
God cut off Israel as a nation being the people through whom he chose to reveal himself, they were cut off for their wickedness and rebellion~God turned to the Gentiles, they too were warned that they would be cut off as a nation, to whom God was visiting. They soon will be~if not already.
If this sense is not placed on Romans 11, then it would seem that the very elect are not eternally secured, but we know otherwise, if we rightly divide the word of truth.
Romans nine is not speaking of nations, but of individuals, who are even named~ Jacob and Esau.
Is speaking of the nation of Israel, not of individuals~The blessings mention in Jeremiah 18 are national blessings not spiritual.
You are confused~you are reading teachings into the text of Romans nine that are not there. Romans nine is speaking of not all Israel are of Israel, or, of the very elect, children of God's promise are counted for the seed of Christ. Paul then proceed to show are the children of his promises are the seed of Jesus Christ. There is much within Romans nine that would support unconditional election of grace. We can take this chapter verse by verse if you like, no problem.
Also, the Jew are not temporary hardened, they have been cut off as a nation, not totally, but as a nation they have, never to be gathered again as a nation. We can discuss this doctrine in a another thread if you like.
Behold
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There is no escaping hell, if you die never born again.
Jesus said.. "You must be born again"..
And your "serpent, vipers" verse, is a reference to a Child of the DEVIL... = "You are of YOUR Father the Devil, and the Lusts of YOUR FATHER, you shall do".. Jesus said of ALL Unbelievers who have never been born again.
And how is the DEVIL described in Genesis?
= Serpent
And that is why Jesus refers to the spiritual offspring of the DEVIL as a "brood (children) of Vipers". Vipers are a type of Serpent.
That Serpent is the DEVIL.. = the spiritual father of all the unbelievers, who are never born again.
civic
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Correct believing in Jesus saves while those who remain in unbelief are condemned. Jesus taught this simple truth many times and spells it out for us in John 3:14-18.
John 3
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Behold
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If God caused you to believe, then God would not require that you do.
It would be automatic.
its not.
Just ask any UNBELIEVER.
