I'm only going to say very few words to you Tom, since you have very little knowledge of how to give scriptures their proper sense according to Nehemiah 8:8.
I never said they were part of the elect, of course they were not, yet they, just like you, profess to be of God, yet deny the very purpose of the atonement made by Christ for his people. By preaching Christ died for all men without exceptions, denys the very scriptures that cleary teaches Christ was sent as a surety for God's elect, given to him by his Father to be sin for, that they might be made the righteousness of God through his obedience and suffering~per John 17 and many other scriptures. He gave his life for the sheep~read John 10~he did not died for goats. If Jesus Christ was a surety for all men without an exception, then God would be unjust not to pardon all men without an exception, if their sins were legally paid by Jesus' life, death and resurrection.
Have you ever heard of the law of double jeopardy? If men have such a law, being sinful, God is more righteous than men are, and would never punish twice for the crimes committed, if payment was paid in full, and Christ did indeed paid for the sins of all God's elect by his life, death, and resurrection from the dead.
Your preaching is saying that man's laws are more righteous than God is and he will punish twice for the same sins that were paid for.
Those scriptures you posted above I have more than once address and will not do so again, unless you want to pick out one of two which you think cannot be answered than I will consider doing so.
Sorry you are begging the question
Assuming your doctrine of unconditional election and then limiting atonement to the elect
There are many verses you need to deal with which speaks of Christ's work for all
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Red Baker
I never said they were part of the elect, of course they were not, yet they, just like you, profess to be of God, yet deny the very purpose of the atonement made by Christ for his people. By preaching Christ died for all men without exceptions, denys the very scriptures that cleary teaches Christ was sent as a surety for God's elect, given to him by his Father to be sin for, that they might be made the righteousness of God through his obedience and suffering~per John 17 and many other scriptures. He gave his life for the sheep~read John 10~he did not died for goats. If Jesus Christ was a surety for all men without an exception, then God would be unjust not to pardon all men without an exception, if their sins were legally paid by Jesus' life, death and resurrection.
So they were not the elect but Christ bought them. How did he buy them?
Red Baker
Have you ever heard of the law of double jeopardy? If men have such a law, being sinful, God is more righteous than men are, and would never punish twice for the crimes committed, if payment was paid in full, and Christ did indeed paid for the sins of all God's elect by his life, death, and resurrection from the dead.
The Double Jeopardy Clause in the Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution prohibits anyone from being prosecuted twice for substantially the same crime.
Your preaching is saying that man's laws are more righteous than God is and he will punish twice for the same sins that were paid for.
Those scriptures you posted above I have more than once address and will not do so again, unless you want to pick out one of two which you think cannot be answered than I will consider doing so.
First your responses were quite inadequate to the task
second, your speculations concerning double payment are based on an assumed view of the atonement
You have a commercial view of the atonement.
God elected some for salvation. Jesus paid for their sin and they therefore are saved
That is not biblical atonement. Atonement is a provisional measure insuring that those who believe in Christ receive forgiveness of sin and salvation
Christ gave us a parallel to the salvation process
The Bronze Serpent
4 From Mount Hor they set out by the way to the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom. And the people became impatient on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food.” 6 Then the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 And the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you. Pray to the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Nu 21:4–9.
The serpent was held up so that anyone who looked on it would be healed
It was a provision for all, but only those who took advantage of that provision were healed
So also
John 3:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
though Christ died on behalf of all only those who believe receive the benefits of the atonement and have their sins forgiven
