Doctrine of Unconditional Election

synergy said:
Your theology is not theology. It is Living Dead-centered, i.e.: where Calvinists claim you can be Regenerated (Alive) but not yet Believing (still Dead in Sins).
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That's not MY theology. I don't know anyone who thinks that, but if someone does, they should turn it into a horror movie.
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Whatever I believe, you'll twist it into something bizarre.
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Sorry but if we twisted what you said it would just put it back into his straightforward meaning.

To illustrate, we non Calvinists believe that when Jesus said he (God) wanted to gather together a people but they were not willing we take that as meaning he wanted to gather them together that means it was his desire and will. That's straightforward and direct but you come along and swing it a totally and different direction. So what's that called? It's called a twist. It's called bending and swinging Jesus statements in a entirely different direction. You are the ones who made Jesus statements into the bizarre. Just allow us to take the twist out of your mind.


 
synergy said:
So what specifically in your view is Calvinism's Jugular? What is the main difference between Calvinism and Christianity? I see it as how Calvinism treats Soli Deo Gloria in a Zero Sum way. And you continue to skip over discussing Isaiah 6:3, Exodus 3:4, and Matt 17:2 from my previous posts.

It is pure Nestorianism to say that "HIs two natures never interacted with each other, even though ever present". Your Nestorian Jugular is bleeding heresy profusely in addition to Calvinism's heretical Zero Sum view of Soli Deo Gloria.
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Synergy~I'll post when I feel better,~I thought I was getting better, but had a relapse. I'm reading, just do not have the energy to post as I should.
 
Rockson said:
Sorry but if we twisted what you said it would just put it back into his straightforward meaning.

To illustrate, we non Calvinists believe that when Jesus said he (God) wanted to gather together a people but they were not willing we take that as meaning he wanted to gather them together that means it was his desire and will. That's straightforward and direct but you come along and swing it a totally and different direction. So what's that called? It's called a twist. It's called bending and swinging Jesus statements in a entirely different direction. You are the ones who made Jesus statements into the bizarre. Just allow us to take the twist out of your mind.
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Misquoting and twisting scripture.
 
brightfame52 said:
Misquoting and twisting scripture.
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Nope. We take the words of Jesus as to what they clearly say. When he says he wanted to gather the people, that he wanted to and willed to we honor him by agreeing it was true. You however try to change it to make it seem like something else. That's called twisting and I trust most readers can see through your blatant stonewalling against the truth.
 
Red Baker said:
Synergy~I'll post when I feel better,~I thought I was getting better, but had a relapse. I'm reading, just do not have the energy to post as I should.
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I hope you feel better soon. Take your time. No rush. I was wondering why I wasn't receiving your informative posts.
 
Rockson said:
Nope. We take the words of Jesus as to what they clearly say. When he says he wanted to gather the people, that he wanted to and willed to we honor him by agreeing it was true. You however try to change it to make it seem like something else. That's called twisting and I trust most readers can see through your blatant stonewalling against the truth.
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You misquoted the verse.
 
brightfame52 said:
You misquoted the verse.
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“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt 23:37

If you can't acknowledge that Jesus is saying he longed to gather them together, and that longed to means desired to and willed to then sorry but you have your mind so twisted around backwards that any coherent rational way of using words is lost to you!
 
Rockson said:
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt 23:37

If you can't acknowledge that Jesus is saying he longed to gather them together, and that longed to means desired to and willed to then sorry but you have your mind so twisted around backwards that any coherent rational way of using words is lost to you!
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Wow, your Jesus is more incompetent than I thought. Just like your god, who is not willing that any perish, yet most do.
 
Rockson said:
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt 23:37

If you can't acknowledge that Jesus is saying he longed to gather them together, and that longed to means desired to and willed to then sorry but you have your mind so twisted around backwards that any coherent rational way of using words is lost to you!
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Lol, amazing and you still have it wrong, you misquoting the verse. So much for that. Corrupting Gods word
 
brightfame52 said:
Lol, amazing and you still have it wrong, you misquoting the verse. So much for that. Corrupting Gods word
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And you don't tell how I've done that for the answer you'd give would make your arguments look ridiculous. Just so much more easier to assert I'm wrong, right?
 
brightfame52 said:
Its all on you. Im good with it, Makes me no difference if you careless with Gods word.
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But you choose not even to speak the word! You never have. Show me then FROM THE BIBLE what justification you have for sweeping Jesus words below under the rug. It says below, Jesus longed...longed...LONGED to gather them! You just basically assert NO HE DIDN'T going cross-grained what he clearly stated and lay a ridiculous charge that I'm careless with God's word. There is NO WAY you can say I am being careless when I've merely quoted Jesus statement, how God longed to gather them THAT MEANS HE WILLED TO. So you're on! Explain to us what Jesus meant in Mt 23:37.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt 23:37
 
Rockson said:
But you choose not even to speak the word! You never have. Show me then FROM THE BIBLE what justification you have for sweeping Jesus words below under the rug. It says below, Jesus longed...longed...LONGED to gather them! You just basically assert NO HE DIDN'T going cross-grained what he clearly stated and lay a ridiculous charge that I'm careless with God's word. There is NO WAY you can say I am being careless when I've merely quoted Jesus statement, how God longed to gather them THAT MEANS HE WILLED TO. So you're on! Explain to us what Jesus meant in Mt 23:37.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt 23:37
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Its on you.
 

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