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INDICATIONS OF GOD’S TRI-UNITY

In 1 Corinthians 8, Paul again affirms the oneness of God, but he brings in a new element. In the midst of a discussion of the issue of eating food items that had been offered to idols, a pastoral problem that came up in the Corinthian church, Paul says:

Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.1 Corinthians 8:1–6

The new element here is that Paul ascribes deity to Christ. He distinguishes between the Father and the Son, and he notes that all things are “from” the Father and “through” Christ, and that we exist “for” the Father and “through” the Son. Clearly, Paul is equating the Father and the Son in terms of Their divinity.

There are many passages in the New Testament that ascribe deity to Christ and to the Holy Spirit


R. C. Sproul, What Is the Trinity?
May we look at this verse 1 Cor 8:6 a little closer, showing 101G where he truly errored, for what 101G is asking is like asking, "Is the hammer the same person who created everything alone?"

Notice it says, "fromG1537" the Father, "fromG1537 whom are all things," but it says of Christ, "throughG1223 whom are all things." Two different words are used for each. And one word "fromG1537" means: out of, or out from. And the other word "throughG1223" is "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act."

And is the same word used in Jn 1:3 "All things were made throughG1223 him," which in Jn 1:1 says was the word (logos in the Greek), which word "logos" is used as a spoken word in the Bible.
And which in Palms 33:6 it reads "By the word [logos in the Greek Septuagint] of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. And whatever is before creation is God. And then that eternal living word that God spoke became flesh, which refers to Christ's body: Jn 1:14; 6:51; Lk 22:19; 1 Pet 2:24; Col 1:22; Eph 2:16; 1 Cor 15:50; Heb 9:23-24; Rom 8:3; 1 Pet 1:18-19!
Gods literal son Jn 5:18!

God the Father created all thing alone by His spoken eternal living word, His breath, and that became flesh, the man, the heavenly man, Jesus Christ. Every nuance of scripture fits this doctrine.
 
May we look at this verse 1 Cor 8:6 a little closer, showing 101G where he truly errored, for what 101G is asking is like asking, "Is the hammer the same person who created everything alone?"

Notice it says, "fromG1537" the Father, "fromG1537 whom are all things," but it says of Christ, "throughG1223 whom are all things." Two different words are used for each. And one word "fromG1537" means: out of, or out from. And the other word "throughG1223" is "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act."

And is the same word used in Jn 1:3 "All things were made throughG1223 him," which in Jn 1:1 says was the word (logos in the Greek), which word "logos" is used as a spoken word in the Bible.
And which in Palms 33:6 it reads "By the word [logos in the Greek Septuagint] of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. And whatever is before creation is God. And then that eternal living word that God spoke became flesh, which refers to Christ's body: Jn 1:14; 6:51; Lk 22:19; 1 Pet 2:24; Col 1:22; Eph 2:16; 1 Cor 15:50; Heb 9:23-24; Rom 8:3; 1 Pet 1:18-19!
Gods literal son Jn 5:18!

God the Father created all thing alone by His spoken eternal living word, His breath, and that became flesh, the man, the heavenly man, Jesus Christ. Every nuance of scripture fits this doctrine.
That's the correct view of the Trinity.

According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit was also involved in creation.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1–2)
 
Talking about wisdom. A female who lives in a house with prudence

Hello

BTW if wisdom is created are you going to claim there was a time God was without wisdom


hello again

Stop letting the Watchtower do your thinking for you

You have ignored the actual verses under discussion

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16–17 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, 17 and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,
Wisdom is mentioned at 8:1--Most of it is about Gods master worker= the one whom God created all other things through, the one who was by Gods side during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of and had 100% trust in him to be sent to Earth and named Jesus as a mortal.
 
Sorry scripture denotes he is the agent who did the creating

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

The "by" shows he did the actual creation

The "through" shows he was the agent The Father used to actually do the creating
Through= another did it. Its why HE( created) is always used, not we.
 
That's the correct view of the Trinity.

According to the Bible, the Holy Spirit was also involved in creation.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:1–2)
Your comment may be the correct view of the Trinity, but my point was that 1 Cor 8:6 does not support the Trinity. The spirit of God hovering over the face of the waters, or even creating, does not negate Post#901, either. The true doctrine will fit all scripture. Trinity does not fit every verse. Some verses can sound like they do, but if other verses do not, then it is not the truth. As it is with other denominations: J.W., Oneness, Unitarian, which can seem to fit some verses, but not all, therefore not the truth. Truth and lies do not fit together smoothly!

This verse offers up only two possibilities..
Pro 30:4 Who has ascended to heaven and come down? [The Father by His word] Who has gathered the wind in his fists? [The Father by His word] Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? [The Father by His word] Who has established all the ends of the earth? [The Father by His word] What is his name, and what is his son's name? [God is the father of Jesus, and Jesus is the word become flesh, who is God's son, and by God's word did God do all these things] Surely you know!

2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Gen 1:2 And the Spirit [is the same word for wind and breath [John 3:8], as in Psalm 33:6 "..by the breath [wind and spirit] of His mouth."] of God was hovering [which means flutter, tremble, shake. As a word that comes out of a mouth does] over the face of the waters. And Psalm 29:3 says, “The voice [sound moves in waves and vibrates, flutters, moves] of the Lord is upon the waters. Acts 2:2 "..there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind.." The spirit is sound, or makes a sound, as wind is, or does.

Now notice John 6:63 “It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit [words are spirit, and Psalms 33:6 claims "By the word..and by the breath [spirit, wind] of his mouth"; 2 Thessalonians 2:8 “spirit/breath [KJV and ESV] of his mouth”], and are life [words are life and give life, and the spirit is life and gives life. And the spoken word is spirit Jn 6:63].” On top of that notice Job 33:4 “The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life,” and yet also notice John says, without His word “was not any thing made (John 1:1 “word”, 3-4 “life”)”]. There is also Eph 6:17 which also states the spirit is the word of God. Also, the word was God, and God is spirit. That is what God and His word is, spirit, as Jesus taught and confessed here in Jn 6:63, that spirit and word are the same.

And if that were not enough, in Jn 17:3 Jesus said this is eternal life, knowing only two persons, leaving out the Holy Spirit as a person.
Another glaring verses is 1 Tim 5:21 Paul appealing to the highest of powers, skipping over the highest Holy Spirit for the lower angels?! Major red flag! "I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. Even Luke 9:26, or Rev 3:5.
 
Through= another did it. Its why HE( created) is always used, not we.
You ignored what the verse shows

Sorry scripture denotes he is the agent who did the creating

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

The "by" shows he did the actual creation

The "through" shows he was the agent The Father used to actually do the creating

In either case, nothing was created without him, so he cannot be a created being
 
Its the organization lead by Jesus. Jesus is head of the congregation. Jesus appointed his real teachers on earth( Matt 24:45) and one MUST listen to them.
Nope it's an organization headed by Christ deniers which came into existence many centuries after the fact
 
Wisdom is mentioned at 8:1--Most of it is about Gods master worker= the one whom God created all other things through, the one who was by Gods side during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of and had 100% trust in him to be sent to Earth and named Jesus as a mortal.
You addressed nothing posted

Talking about wisdom. A female who lives in a house with prudence

Hello

BTW if wisdom is created are you going to claim there was a time God was without wisdom

Note no answer


hello again

Stop letting the Watchtower do your thinking for you

You have ignored the actual verses under discussion

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16–17 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, 17 and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,
Again no answer

Seems the Watchtower has left you without ability to address scriptural rebuttal
 
You ignored what the verse shows

Sorry scripture denotes he is the agent who did the creating

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

The "by" shows he did the actual creation

The "through" shows he was the agent The Father used to actually do the creating

In either case, nothing was created without him, so he cannot be a created being
By shows God used him and did all the creating-THROUGH- him he is Gods master worker. God created it all, even Jesus.
 
Wisdom is not female. Its an attribute any can cultivate. By listening to Jesus like every JW does.
You need to read scripture instead of listening to the Watchtower

Proverbs 8 (KJV 1900) — 1 Doth not wisdom cry? And understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way In the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, At the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; And my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: And, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; And the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; And wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, And right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; And knowledge rather than choice gold. 11 For wisdom is better than rubies; And all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. 12 I wisdom dwell with prudence,
 
By shows God used him and did all the creating-THROUGH- him he is Gods master worker. God created it all, even Jesus.
Still ignoring the point.

If all; things came about by or through him, then he could not be a created thing.

Hello

The watchtower has no answer to this truth.
 
You need to read scripture instead of listening to the Watchtower

Proverbs 8 (KJV 1900) — 1 Doth not wisdom cry? And understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way In the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, At the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; And my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: And, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; And the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; And wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, And right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; And knowledge rather than choice gold. 11 For wisdom is better than rubies; And all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. 12 I wisdom dwell with prudence,
Yet Gods master worker is a living being.
Jesus became wisdom- 1Cor 1:30
 
Sorry truth was never lost.
You best reread the bible, after Jesus died untruths started getting in-in Peters books, Titus was left behind to correct error teachings that got in. And the followers were all being murdered after Jesus and the apostles were, Being thrown to hungry wild animals in the Colosseum as a public spectacle, Nero was having them hung on stakes lining the road to the city and having them lit on fire to light the roadway after he accused the Christians of burning down Rome( they didn't) Write ups say he did. At best the religion went underground and died out for the most part. 2Thess 2:3 stood up=Catholicism.
 
You best reread the bible, after Jesus died untruths started getting in-in Peters books, Titus was left behind to correct error teachings that got in. And the followers were all being murdered after Jesus and the apostles were, Being thrown to hungry wild animals in the Colosseum as a public spectacle, Nero was having them hung on stakes lining the road to the city and having them lit on fire to light the roadway after he accused the Christians of burning down Rome( they didn't) Write ups say he did. At best the religion went underground and died out for the most part. 2Thess 2:3 stood up=Catholicism.
Wrong truth

The truth concerning Christ

It was never lost

And no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise, Roman Catholicism was not the only option
 
Yet Gods master worker is a living being.
Jesus became wisdom- 1Cor 1:30
You ignored the points

You need to read scripture instead of listening to the Watchtower

Proverbs 8 (KJV 1900) — 1 Doth not wisdom cry? And understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way In the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, At the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; And my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: And, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; And the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; And wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, And right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; And knowledge rather than choice gold. 11 For wisdom is better than rubies; And all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. 12 I wisdom dwell with prudence,

And if you claim wisdom was created, that leaves you in the position God was once without wisdom

Are you going to swallow that?
 
Wrong truth

The truth concerning Christ

It was never lost

And no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise, Roman Catholicism was not the only option
Yes the teachings of Jesus show who is who--trinitarians refuse to believe him over their false trinity dogmas.
 
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