Peterlag
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That would explain why they can only see it and not me. Why they tell me I'm blind if I can't see it.
Your Views on The Trinity
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Runningman
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I am sure they will be happy to tell you you're blind in a heartbeat. Surprised if none of them have said to you yet.
I know a Trinitarian who surprised me when he said "The Trinity is not taught in the Bible, it is revealed" which is non-sensical and kind of like saying "unicorn traffic laws are not taught in the DMV, but are revealed." I have no doubt the authors who penned the Bible would be rolling in their grave if they knew what the Trinitarians had did with Jesus' Christianity.
dwight92070
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You are correct: "Jesus is not God" is not mentioned in the Bible. Rather it says that Jesus IS God. I'm glad you finally agree with me.
dwight92070
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You mean "had done with Jesus' Christianity, not "had did". Not only do you not know that Jesus is God, but you also don't know English grammar.
These words are written in red in most bibles and refer to Jesus Christ.
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
Revelation 22:12-13
Who is coming quickly ?
The Father or the Son?
DavidTree
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Nothing wrong with that statement.
Jesus taught the disciples thru parables that required the understanding to be revealed from the Lord Jesus.
As a matter of fact, the Bible teaches that we need the Holy Spirit in order to have Truth revealed to us.
As a matter of fact, the Apostle Paul prayed that God would reveal Truth to the people he was teaching.
As a matter of fact = Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
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Runningman
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The fact that you knew what I meant shows me you understood my point. The point still stands, too. Trinitarianism is textbook eisgesis of the worst kind.
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Runningman
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Runningman
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The Bible doesn't say "Jesus is God."
DavidTree
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Trinitarianism is not in the Bible
This is from the very Beginning of the Bible
Elohim said Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness
Like the disciples/apostles, you need to pray for 'revelation' from the Lord Jesus Christ
Runningman
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But the "Us" isn't specified to be God in that context. The next verse uses a singular pronoun for God: Genesis 1:28 "So God created man in His own image;"
DavidTree
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The "Us" in fact is specified to be Elohim for it is Elohim who is speaking
Genesis 1:26 - Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"
Peterlag
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The phrase designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end.
"All comes through Christ, from the beginning to the end. He is the channel, not the source or the object of all things. When entering into the world, he said, "Lo... I am arriving to do thy will oh God." (Hebrews10:7). This is one of his most gracious glories. Let us not rob Christ of it by making him identical with God in this regard. He will vanish if we do. The Christ cannot be conceived with a will of equal force with the Father. "not my will, but Thine" is the illuminating flash which reveals the relation existing between the will of Christ and his God."
A.E. Knoch - Christ and Deity (Edition 2.0)
Peterlag
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You're missing the point again. The reason the words "Jesus is not God" cannot be found in the Bible is because Jesus is not God.
Peterlag
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I can top that. I had a guy say when Jesus was praying to God it was the...
Son God praying to the Father God.
oh no. the hyper-literalism fails on this point. the hyper-literalist needs it to be stated in the bible.
FreeInChrist
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The reason the words "Jesus is not God" cannot be found in the Bible is because Jesus is indeed God.
FreeInChrist
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Boy, that shoots down a lot of beliefs. Other things not in the bible that people believe.
“The Rapture.” While the idea of believers being caught up with Christ is present (1 Thessalonians 4:17), the term “Rapture” and the detailed end-time scenario often associated with it are not explicitly outlined in Scripture. The word “rapture” does not occur in the Word of God.
The Notion That the Redeemed Go to “Heaven“: Many people believe that righteous souls will end up in “heaven,” a spiritual realm. However, the Bible doesn’t explicitly say that human souls go to heaven upon death. The concept appears to be a later theological development, particularly popularized in the Middle Ages.
The Belief in a Personal Divine Plan: The Bible doesn’t consistently speak of individualized, divine plans for each person. While Jeremiah 29:11 mentions “plans,” this is in the context of God’s plan for Israel and foretells the coming of the Messiah.
“Immaculate Conception.” This term is often used to describe the virgin birth of Jesus, but it actually refers to the Roman Catholic doctrine concerning the conception of Mary without original sin, a doctrine not found in the Bible.
“Three Wise Men.” The Bible does not specify the number of magi who visited Jesus. Matthew 2 simply states that “wise men from the east” came, but doesn’t enumerate them.
“Personal Relationship with Jesus.” While the New Testament speaks volumes about faith in Christ and walking in His ways, the specific phrase “personal relationship with Jesus” is not used in the Bible.
You know who did not know this? Pope Francis. It is recorded he did say "a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous"
I can provide the transcript if you doubt me.
“Guardian Angels.” While angels do appear throughout the Bible and are said to be “ministering spirits” (Hebrews 1:14), the idea that each individual has a personal guardian angel doesn’t find explicit support in Scripture.
Satan Was Once Lucifer
The fall of Satan from heaven has become deeply entrenched in Christian thought, but the origins of the Devil are not found anywhere in the Bible. In fact, Satan is not even used as a proper name in the Old Testament. Instead, the Hebrew ha satan is a title meaning simply “the adversary.” The Devil is not truly named and Hell not really described until the New Testament.Satan the Serpent
The serpent in the Garden of Eden is one of only two talking animals in the Bible. This cunning snake is the cause of the original sin and the first troublemaker. Considering that this reptile is the one who throws a monkey wrench in God’s plan for creation, most Christians believe that the serpent was none other than Satan. Unfortunately for this long and deeply held belief, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible to back up this idea. The snake is simply a snake in Genesis. It is a crafty creature who causes a great deal of trouble, but it is never described as the Devil. The belief that it was Satan came later. In Genesis 3:14, God even addresses the snake as simply a snake. He curses the snake to “crawl on [its] belly” and “eat dust all the days of [its] life.” Never does God give any hint that the serpent was ever more than a reptilian trickster.The Seven Archangels
Christian bookstores and blogs are both full of information about the various archangels. Most writings claim that there are seven, but which angels make the cut varies between authors. This popular belief in seven archangels is not Biblically based. The only angel every described as an archangel in the canonical Bible is Michael. The other so-called archangels are never labeled as such. Frankly, some of the angels commonly listed as archangels are never named in the Bible at all much less described as archangels.Tortures of Hell
Many Christians can list the varying tortures that await those who commit different sins. Blasphemers, for example, will have their tongues cut out. The specific torments of Hell, however, are never listed in the Bible. The New Testament describes Hell as “a lake of fire” and a land “where the fire never goes out.” These descriptions, while viscerally unnerving, are rather vague. There is no itemized list of “those who do A, will suffer B.” The New Testament has no such if-then statements about specific horrors in Hell. More specific descriptions of Hell’s layout and tortures are found in fiction and poetry such as Dante Alighieri’s “Divine Comedy.”Sheol is Hell
The New Testament has only vague descriptions of Hell, but the Old Testament does not even mention Hell. Sheol is sometimes assumed to be the Old Testament’s word for Hell, but this is a common misconception. Sheol is simply the grave or the abode of the dead, not unlike the Underworld of Greek mythology of Helheim in Norse mythology. Sheol is not a place of torment. It is simply where the dead go after they die. Good and evil both end up in Sheol in the Old Testament, though later books in the Old Testament do reveal that the dead will at some point be resurrected.Satan in the Old Testament
If the Bible were approached as a piece of literature, Satan would feature as a major antagonist in the New Testament. Contrary to popular Christian belief, however, the Devil is not present in the Old Testament, at least not as Christians would understand him.I'LL STOP, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.
Not every belief is in the bible..... Not every believe word is either.
Peterlag
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I cannot find one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
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