A Personal Reflection on the Trinity and Salvation

[GallagherM]

I no longer hold to the doctrine of the Trinity. For a time, I believed it was essential—something that had to be accepted without question. But through study, prayer, and reflection, I stepped away from that framework. Too often, I’ve seen division and hostility arise over this doctrine, and I believe such conflict misses the heart of the gospel.


That said, I have deep love and respect for those who affirm the Trinity. My disagreement isn’t a rejection of them—it’s a call to refocus. Because ultimately, salvation doesn’t come through doctrinal precision. It comes through faith in Yeshua, the one whom God has sent.


Jesus said, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17:3). The emphasis is clear: knowing the Father and believing in the Son is the foundation of eternal life.


Paul echoes this in Romans: “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). No creed or theological system can replace that simple, powerful truth.


So while doctrines may vary, and interpretations may differ, let us not forget: it is Yeshua who saves. Not our systems. Not our labels. Just Him.

 

[360watt]

I no longer hold to the doctrine of the Trinity. For a time, I believed it was essential—something that had to be accepted without question. But through study, prayer, and reflection, I stepped away from that framework. Too often, I’ve seen division and hostility arise over this doctrine, and I believe such conflict misses the heart of the gospel.


That said, I have deep love and respect for those who affirm the Trinity. My disagreement isn’t a rejection of them—it’s a call to refocus. Because ultimately, salvation doesn’t come through doctrinal precision. It comes through faith in Yeshua, the one whom God has sent.


Jesus said, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17:3). The emphasis is clear: knowing the Father and believing in the Son is the foundation of eternal life.


Paul echoes this in Romans: “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). No creed or theological system can replace that simple, powerful truth.


So while doctrines may vary, and interpretations may differ, let us not forget: it is Yeshua who saves. Not our systems. Not our labels. Just Him.

If Yeshua saves, He is God!

A mortal man cannot atone for your sins.

A mortal man cannot say (and actually mean it) to someone who hasn't directly offended them...I forgive you.

So.. maybe you actually believe in the deity of Christ..but if you reject the Trinity, what do you believe about Jesus?

Salvation is by believing on Jesus Christ. Believing He lived, died and rose again. And by believing in Him, you have forgiveness of sin, everlasting life.

John 3:16, 36. John 5:24, 6:40, Romans 10:9-10, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:8..etc..

So..if you reject the Trinity..that's no minor issue..it strikes at the heart of salvation if Jesus is anything less than fully God.

 

[GallagherM]

360watt,

Yes, salvation is about the death, burial, and Yahavah/God having raised Jesus up from the dead by his Holy Spirit. That is how a person has newness of life through the resurrected Lord Yeshua who lives in you, and God lives in you too.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[Runningman]

I no longer hold to the doctrine of the Trinity. For a time, I believed it was essential—something that had to be accepted without question. But through study, prayer, and reflection, I stepped away from that framework. Too often, I’ve seen division and hostility arise over this doctrine, and I believe such conflict misses the heart of the gospel.


That said, I have deep love and respect for those who affirm the Trinity. My disagreement isn’t a rejection of them—it’s a call to refocus. Because ultimately, salvation doesn’t come through doctrinal precision. It comes through faith in Yeshua, the one whom God has sent.


Jesus said, “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17:3). The emphasis is clear: knowing the Father and believing in the Son is the foundation of eternal life.


Paul echoes this in Romans: “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). No creed or theological system can replace that simple, powerful truth.


So while doctrines may vary, and interpretations may differ, let us not forget: it is Yeshua who saves. Not our systems. Not our labels. Just Him.

I'm curious about your beliefs and, as much as I don't like labels, they are a bit necessary here. Would you consider yourself a Binitarian, Unitarian, or something else?

Also, you quoted John 17:3, a powerful yet simple verse about the exclusive deity of the Father as Lord God Almighty. Do you believe that belief in God and Jesus are supposed to be understood as two separate things?

John 14
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

 

[GallagherM]

Hello Runningman,

I just share what I did.

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[amazing grace]

If Yeshua saves, He is God!

A mortal man cannot atone for your sins.

A mortal man cannot say (and actually mean it) to someone who hasn't directly offended them...I forgive you.

Romans 5 - a man disobeyed bringing judgment . . . a man obeyed bringing righteousness and justification.
A man shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins.

So.. maybe you actually believe in the deity of Christ..but if you reject the Trinity, what do you believe about Jesus?

Jesus is the son of God - God is his Father. His Father is the only true God and Jesus is the only begotten Son. Jesus was obedient to the point of death - death on a cross. God raised him from the dead, exalted him and Jesus sits at the right hand of God his Father.

Salvation is by believing on Jesus Christ. Believing He lived, died and rose again. And by believing in Him, you have forgiveness of sin, everlasting life.

John 3:16, 36. John 5:24, 6:40, Romans 10:9-10, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:8..etc..

So..if you reject the Trinity..that's no minor issue..it strikes at the heart of salvation if Jesus is anything less than fully God.

Correct - salvation is by believing in Jesus Christ - he lived, died and God raised him from the dead . . .

it's not >>>
If you confess Jesus is God and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead >>>> it's not For God so loved the world that he gave himself, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life >>>> for if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one God, Jesus Christ. . . .

Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ . . . Jesus being fully God has nothing to do with salvation - it is not taught as the means of salvation - it is not mentioned as the means of salvation.

'Who do people say that the Son of Man is?' And they said, 'Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.' He said to them, 'But who do you say that I am?' Simon Peter answered him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' . . . . Please note - no one suggested they thought he was God - they were strict, monotheist Jews and would never have thought God was a human being. AND Jesus blessed Peter - Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

 

[360watt]

Romans 5 - a man disobeyed bringing judgment . . . a man obeyed bringing righteousness and justification.
A man shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus is the son of God - God is his Father. His Father is the only true God and Jesus is the only begotten Son. Jesus was obedient to the point of death - death on a cross. God raised him from the dead, exalted him and Jesus sits at the right hand of God his Father.

Correct - salvation is by believing in Jesus Christ - he lived, died and God raised him from the dead . . .

it's not >>>
If you confess Jesus is God and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead >>>> it's not For God so loved the world that he gave himself, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life >>>> for if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one God, Jesus Christ. . . .

Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ . . . Jesus being fully God has nothing to do with salvation - it is not taught as the means of salvation - it is not mentioned as the means of salvation.

'Who do people say that the Son of Man is?' And they said, 'Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.' He said to them, 'But who do you say that I am?' Simon Peter answered him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' . . . . Please note - no one suggested they thought he was God - they were strict, monotheist Jews and would never have thought God was a human being. AND Jesus blessed Peter - Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

So it wouldn't be accurate to say Jesus is the Father, because in verses like you've shown, Jesus is subject to the Father.

But does this subjection mean Jesus is a lesser being?

When Jesus said the Father is greater than Him, He then not long after ascended as equal with the Father. The difference was just positional... not ontological.

There is also the point of Jesus being an agent of the Father. This agency was a bit different to how we see an agent for someone now.

In those times, an agent was seen as the originator of the message. They had the same authority.

So Jesus, when He was saying He was one with the Father, being the Fathers right hand..etc.. is a claim to deity, of equality with the Father.

That's why they accused Jesus of blasphemy. He 'made Himself equal with God'.

There is alot more to this also. You will have seen threads on Jesus ' deity on this forum.

If you've been converted by Jesus ..that means He is God. End of story.

 

[GallagherM]

Thread 'How the Word of God, Born of a Virgin named Jesus became the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY'

Oct 18, 2025

I’d like to share my personal perspective, along with a few references that have helped shape my understanding—such as the book of Daniel, the moment when Jesus appeared glorified on the mountain with Moses and Elijah (as witnessed by the disciples), and passages from Revelation, especially chapters 3 and 4.

From what I gather, Jesus is depicted as the one who would share the throne with the Father after overcoming all things. Daniel’s vision appears to describe a figure with eyes like fire, which I interpret as Jesus. Once his mission was complete, I see Jesus as sharing in divine...

• GallagherM
• Replies: 3
• Forum: Theology is Knowing God

 

[amazing grace]

So it wouldn't be accurate to say Jesus is the Father, because in verses like you've shown, Jesus is subject to the Father.

But does this subjection mean Jesus is a lesser being?

Shouldn't a child be in submission to his/her parent? Isn't that what obedience is? Didn't Jesus live a life of voluntary humility and obedience to God --- aligning his will with that of his Father's?

When Jesus said the Father is greater than Him, He then not long after ascended as equal with the Father. The difference was just positional... not ontological.

When Jesus said his Father was greater than him .... he meant his Father was greater than him just as he said his Father was greater than all in John 14 that's what he meant. Even after Jesus ascended God is still HIS God and Father.

There is also the point of Jesus being an agent of the Father. This agency was a bit different to how we see an agent for someone now.

In those times, an agent was seen as the originator of the message. They had the same authority.

So Jesus, when He was saying He was one with the Father, being the Fathers right hand..etc.. is a claim to deity, of equality with the Father.

Yes, Jesus was an agent of God. Jesus and the Father were one in purpose in the care of the sheep John 10. Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God - God exalted him to that status. AND IF YOU ARE AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD ---- YOU AREN'T GOD.

In the Jewish law of agency - The Law of Agency deals with the status of a person (known as the agent) acting by direction of another (the principal), and thereby legally binding the principal in his connection with a third person. The person who binds a principal in this manner is his agent, known in Jewish law as sheluaḥ or sheliaḥ (one that is sent): the relation of the former to the latter is known as agency (sheliḥut). The general principle is enunciated thus: A man's agent is like himself. [Jewish Encyclopedia] Jesus, as the agent acted on God's (the principal) behalf, in God's stead Jesus could speak for God and as God --- having all the authority of God given to him. ... BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE HIM GOD.

That's why they accused Jesus of blasphemy. He 'made Himself equal with God'.

There is alot more to this also. You will have seen threads on Jesus ' deity on this forum.

If you've been converted by Jesus ..that means He is God. End of story.

Jesus never made himself equal with God - he was ACCUSED of making himself equal with God.
Yes, I have interacted on a few threads on this forum
Yes, I have been born again - I have repented, been baptized and have received the gift of holy spirit. I confess Jesus is Lord and believe God raised him from the dead . . . I am saved.
I can find nothing scriptural in which I must confess Jesus is God to be saved. End of story.

 

[360watt]

'A man's agent is like himself. [Jewish Encyclopedia] Jesus, as the agent acted on God's (the principal) behalf, in God's stead Jesus could speak for God and as God --- having all the authority of God given to him. ... BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE HIM GOD.'

Jesus spoke for God and as God..having all the authority given to Him..

That's equality with the Father, no?

 

[FreeInChrist]

Shouldn't a child be in submission to his/her parent? Isn't that what obedience is? Didn't Jesus live a life of voluntary humility and obedience to God --- aligning his will with that of his Father's?

When Jesus said his Father was greater than him .... he meant his Father was greater than him just as he said his Father was greater than all in John 14 that's what he meant. Even after Jesus ascended God is still HIS God and Father.

No one ever claimed Jesus was the Father. The Father is still His Father even to this day. Jesus, while on earth was the son therefore the Father was greater, just like you are greater and above your very own children.

But I believe the Son is God. The same as the Holy Spirit is God.

If you can give a truly biblical reason of why Jesus, spoke from His very own mouth and said

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

That was an order from Jesus. Even though Peter however...On the Day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowd, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). His command concerning baptism was that it be done “in the name of Jesus Christ.”

It has been suggested that Peter said this because in presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus' name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified.

So why did Jesus use all 3 names? What was the purpose? And while you consider this, especially if you are anti-Trin look closely at the wording of the Statement from Jesus...

, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

A single name. Not in the name of the Father, and in the name of the Son, And in the name of the Holy Spirit.

But the SINGLE name.... the single name covers all three. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

God in three persons, each with their own things they had to do. .... not God as three persons in one.

Yes, Jesus was an agent of God. Jesus and the Father were one in purpose in the care of the sheep John 10. Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God - God exalted him to that status. AND IF YOU ARE AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD ---- YOU AREN'T GOD.

In the Jewish law of agency - The Law of Agency deals with the status of a person (known as the agent) acting by direction of another (the principal), and thereby legally binding the principal in his connection with a third person. The person who binds a principal in this manner is his agent, known in Jewish law as sheluaḥ or sheliaḥ (one that is sent): the relation of the former to the latter is known as agency (sheliḥut). The general principle is enunciated thus: A man's agent is like himself. [Jewish Encyclopedia] Jesus, as the agent acted on God's (the principal) behalf, in God's stead Jesus could speak for God and as God --- having all the authority of God given to him. ... BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE HIM GOD.

Jesus never made himself equal with God - he was ACCUSED of making himself equal with God.
Yes, I have interacted on a few threads on this forum
Yes, I have been born again - I have repented, been baptized and have received the gift of holy spirit. I confess Jesus is Lord and believe God raised him from the dead . . . I am saved.
I can find nothing scriptural in which I must confess Jesus is God to be saved. End of story.

 

[amazing grace]

'A man's agent is like himself. [Jewish Encyclopedia] Jesus, as the agent acted on God's (the principal) behalf, in God's stead Jesus could speak for God and as God --- having all the authority of God given to him. ... BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE HIM GOD.'

Jesus spoke for God and as God..having all the authority given to Him..

That's equality with the Father, no?

God's authority is inherent - he is dependent upon no one.
Jesus was dependent upon the Father - his authority came from God his Father.
Is that equality? No . . . Jesus did not grasp at equality with God.

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. [Deut. 18:18,19]

 

[GallagherM]

Hello everyone,

To me, Jesus reigns in glory, having overcome all things and returned the fullness of the kingdom to the Father. He does not merely sit beside the Father—He sits with Him on His throne, having conquered every enemy and fulfilled every purpose.

As Jesus Himself declares:

“To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” — Revelation 3:21

This is the Christ: the Lamb who was slain, the King who conquered, and the Son who, in perfect obedience, returned all things to the Father. As Paul writes:

“Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.” — 1 Corinthians 15:24

He overcame the world (John 16:33), and now He invites us to overcome with Him—not just to follow, but to reign in union with His victory.

 

[amazing grace]

No one ever claimed Jesus was the Father. The Father is still His Father even to this day. Jesus, while on earth was the son therefore the Father was greater, just like you are greater and above your very own children.

yeah yeah yeah --- I understand the claim --- Jesus is God, God is the Father but Jesus is not the Father . . . yet Jesus is God and so on and so on . . .

From what I understand and have heard 'God never ceases to be God'. Therefore, while on earth the Son was still God - yet pretending to be a man, pretending to be a Son . . . Since Jesus said his Father was greater than him - I believe him. Jesus said his Father was greater than all - I believe him.

But I believe the Son is God. The same as the Holy Spirit is God.

Hey, you can believe that if you want . . . I'd rather believe the truth. Jesus is the Son of God - God is his Father. The Holy Spirit is God, the power of the Most High that caused Mary to conceive; the power that rose Jesus from the dead. The holy spirit is also considered a gift - Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

If you can give a truly biblical reason of why Jesus, spoke from His very own mouth and said

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

That was an order from Jesus. Even though Peter however...On the Day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowd, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). His command concerning baptism was that it be done “in the name of Jesus Christ.”

It has been suggested that Peter said this because in presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus' name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified.

So why did Jesus use all 3 names? What was the purpose? And while you consider this, especially if you are anti-Trin look closely at the wording of the Statement from Jesus...

, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

A single name. Not in the name of the Father, and in the name of the Son, And in the name of the Holy Spirit.

But the SINGLE name.... the single name covers all three. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

It is the single name . . . could it be read as 'baptizing them in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son and in the name of the holy spirit'? It seems this verse is not clear even to scholars!! I don't know everything as I am sure that you don't know everything -
BUT I DO KNOW the verse does not say baptizing them in the name of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

God in three persons, each with their own things they had to do. .... not God as three persons in one.

Oh . . . Isn't the Trinity one God who exists as three distinct, co-equal, and co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit?

 

[360watt]

God's authority is inherent - he is dependent upon no one.
Jesus was dependent upon the Father - his authority came from God his Father.
Is that equality? No . . . Jesus did not grasp at equality with God.

I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. [Deut. 18:18,19]

The subjection here does not mean inferiority.

Jesus is Head of the church. Jesus can forgive sin of those who haven't directly offended Him.

Revelation is Jesus's Revelation..along with the Father and the Spirit.

Jesus saw Phillip under a tree when He was nowhere near Phillip physically.

So.. along with what others say..is you would probably say that these are abilities given Him by the Father..rather than His God attributes.

The problem with this line of reasoning is the abilities He is doing go far beyond what the disciples or apostles did. Jesus was Head of the disciples..not one of them.

Along with the Father..Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in John 15.

If you take the translation as the Father sending the Holy Spirit in Jesus's name..rather than it saying Jesus sent... that's still not something a mortal man would have done in their name.

Which is the central problem with saying a mortal man can have the abilities Jesus had..is that's a kind of New Age philosophy of mortal man being little gods or like God.

 

[amazing grace]

The subjection here does not mean inferiority.

The head of Christ is God.

Jesus is Head of the church. Jesus can forgive sin of those who haven't directly offended Him.

Yes, Jesus is the head of the church. Jesus can forgive sins.

Revelation is Jesus's Revelation..along with the Father and the Spirit.

Revelation is - The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. [Rev. 1:1,2]

Jesus saw Phillip under a tree when He was nowhere near Phillip physically.

So.. along with what others say..is you would probably say that these are abilities given Him by the Father..rather than His God attributes. The problem with this line of reasoning is the abilities He is doing go far beyond what the disciples or apostles did. Jesus was Head of the disciples..not one of them.

Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48] I believe God spoke to Jesus via revelation on whom to call as his disciples.
Jesus did not have his Father's attributes - he was not self sufficient, he was not omniscient, he was not omnipotent nor was he omnipresent.

Along with the Father..Jesus sent the Holy Spirit in John 15.

'But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.' The Holy Spirit was the promise of the Father - And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” - which Jesus told the disciples to wait in Jerusalem for: And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” . . . which Jesus poured out on the day of Pentecost.

If you take the translation as the Father sending the Holy Spirit in Jesus's name..rather than it saying Jesus sent... that's still not something a mortal man would have done in their name.

???? I don't know what translation you are referring to or exactly what you are talking about. It would be great if you could reference scripture.

Which is the central problem with saying a mortal man can have the abilities Jesus had..is that's a kind of New Age philosophy of mortal man being little gods or like God.

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know" ........

 

[Runningman]

Hello everyone,

To me, Jesus reigns in glory, having overcome all things and returned the fullness of the kingdom to the Father. He does not merely sit beside the Father—He sits with Him on His throne, having conquered every enemy and fulfilled every purpose.

As Jesus Himself declares:

“To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” — Revelation 3:21

This is the Christ: the Lamb who was slain, the King who conquered, and the Son who, in perfect obedience, returned all things to the Father. As Paul writes:

“Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.” — 1 Corinthians 15:24

He overcame the world (John 16:33), and now He invites us to overcome with Him—not just to follow, but to reign in union with His victory.

The New Testament says that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God "until" his enemies are made a foot stool about 11 times. Then there is one verse that says "To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." So if Jesus is currently sharing a throne with the Father and Revelation 3:21 says of those who overcome "I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne" then you have only provided an argument that states that the overcomers end up sitting on the throne of God because they are sitting on the throne of Jesus. ipso facto, you seem to think you will be God or are God.

Your religion seems to align most closely with the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS or Mormonism).

Can you account for Jesus' reign coming to an end in 1 Corinthians 15 and made eternally subject to God?

1 Corinthians 15
25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.

 

[GallagherM]

Hello to everyone,

This is the current reality that I live with.

So thankful for the total victory of Jesus! Ovcercoming Sin, Death, Satan and Hell.

Most people do not live in this total victory of the Lord Jesus, and all he has done!

May you be blessed and live by the power of the resurrected Lord Jesus, in your life and God work on your mind and heart.

What people speculate may be true, may not be true. People who make assumptions only assume to know.

All the best!

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[360watt]

The head of Christ is God.

Yes, Jesus is the head of the church. Jesus can forgive sins.

Revelation is - The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. [Rev. 1:1,2]

Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48] I believe God spoke to Jesus via revelation on whom to call as his disciples.
Jesus did not have his Father's attributes - he was not self sufficient, he was not omniscient, he was not omnipotent nor was he omnipresent.

'But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.' The Holy Spirit was the promise of the Father - And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” - which Jesus told the disciples to wait in Jerusalem for: And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” . . . which Jesus poured out on the day of Pentecost.

???? I don't know what translation you are referring to or exactly what you are talking about. It would be great if you could reference scripture.

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know" ........

 

[360watt]

Nathanael said to him, “How do you know me?” Jesus answered him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” [John 1:48]

Oops.. yeah it's Nathanael Jesus saw under a tree.

The same thing stands here.. that this is something only Jesus could do.. only He had (aside from the Father). The passage doesn't say this is a vision given Jesus. Jesus saw Nathanael. That's what it says.

If you take it to mean vision.. that isn't taking the text as it is. Then you have no foundation to stand it if varying from scripture.

With Jesus sending the Holy Spirit-- I have seen a translation -probably the NIV of having the Father send the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name. But either way-- in Jesus' name.. or Jesus doing the sending with the Father.. that is not the work of a mortal man. It's not the work of the disciples or apostles either. It's far beyond them.