Why All Is Not Ordained

Typical evasiveness like I expected. Pick your poison from 1 of these many Greek Lexicons and Biblical sources below.

Strongs
nekros: dead

Original Word:
νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Definition: dead
Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.


3498 nekrós (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") – dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.



BDAG's definition:

νεκρός, ά, όν
A.
as adj. (perh. as early as Hom., certainly Pind.; in Ath. only R. title)
1. pert. to being in a state of loss of life, dead, of pers.:
2. pert. to being so morally or spirtually deficientas to be in effect dead, dead, fig. ext. of 1
a. of pers. [...] Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13.
b. of things ν. ἔργα dead works that cannot bring eternal life
3. pert. to having never been alive and lacking capacity for life, dead, lifeless
B.
as subst.
1. one who is no longer physically alive, dead person, a dead body, a corpse, lit.
2. one who is so spiritually obtuse as to be in effect dead, dead



Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions


νεκρός, ὁ

(of a woman, Diph. 129),

I

1. corpse, Hom., etc.: as Subst., in early writers always of mankind, νεκροὺς συλήσετε τεθνηῶτας Il. 6.71; ν. ἔρυον κατατεθνηῶτας 18.540: freq. of those killed in battle, τοὺς ν. ὑποσπόνδους ἀνείλοντο Th. 4.44, etc.: in sg., νεκρῷ ἐούσῃ Μελίσσῃ Hdt. 5.92. η'; κεῖται ν. περὶ νεκρῷ S. Ant. 1240, etc.; Πατρόκλῳ ν. ὄντι Pl. R. 391b: the Art. is freq. omitted even of a particular corpse, esp. when a gen. is added, ν. γυναικός, ἀνθρώπου, Hdt. 2.89, 90, cf. A. Ag. 659, Th. 1018; later, of a fish, ν. ἰχθύος M.Ant. 6.13: neut. pl. νεκρά, τά, Plu. 2.773d: metaph., νεκρὰ καὶ καπνός M.Ant. 12.33.

2. dying person, μυχθισμὸς νεκρῶν E. Rh. 789; ν. ἀσπαίροντες Antipho 2.4.5; ν. ἀποθνῄσκοντες Th. 2.52.

3. metaph., ὁ υἱός μου ν. ἦν καὶ ἀνέζησε Luke 15:24; ὄνομα ἔχεις ὅτι ζῇς καὶ ν. εἶ Revelation 3:1; ν. τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ Romans 6:11.

4. in pl., the dead, as dwellers in the nether world, κλυτὰ ἔθνεα νεκρῶν Od. 10.526, cf. 11.34, etc.; ἐν νεκροῖς LXX Psalms 87:5(88).5; ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγεῖραι John 12:1; ἡ ἀνάστασις ἡ ἐκ ν. Luke 20:35 : metaph., ζωὴ ἐκ ν. Romans 11:15.

II

1. as Adj. νεκρός, ά, όν, dead, first in Pi., ν. ἵππος Fr. 203; ν. σώματα Mitteis Chr. 31 ii 22 (ii B.C.), Ach.Tat. 3.5, cf. Nic.Dam. 58 J., Plu. 2.685b, X. Ephesians 5:1, POxy. 51.8 (ii A.D.), BGU 1024vii26 (iv/v A.D.) (but also τὰ τῶν ν. σώματα Pl. Lg. 959b; σῶμα.. νεκροῦ E. Hec. 679); ν. χελώνη Luc. DDeor. 7.4: Comp. -ότερος AP 11.135 (Lucill.).

2. inanimate, inorganic, opp. ἔμψυχος, Plot. 3.6.6; οὐχὶ ν., ὥσπερ λίθον ἢ ξύλον, ἀλλὰ ζω[]ν Id. 4.7.9; οὐρανὸς.. ὢν πρὸ ψυχῆς σῶμα ν., γῆ καὶ ὕδωρ Id. 5.1.2; ἡ ν. θάλασσα the Dead Sea, Paus. 5.7.4, Gal. 11.690, Orph. A. 1082.

3. metaph., ν. πλοῦτος Philostr. VS 2.1.1.



Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament

νεκρός , -ά , -όν ,

[in LXX chiefly for H4191;]

dead,

I. as adj.,

1. prop.: Acts 5:10; Acts 20:9, James 2:26, Revelation 1:18, al.; ὡσεὶ ν ., Matthew 28:4, Mark 9:26, Revelation 1:17;of that which is subject to death, Romans 8:10.

2. Metaph.,

(a) of persons: Luke 15:24; Luke 15:32; of those immersed in worldly cares, Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60; of spiritual death, John 5:25, Romans 6:13, Ephesians 5:14, Revelation 3:1; τ . παραπτώμασιν , Ephesians 2:1; Ephesians 2:5, Colossians 2:13; of the opposite condition, ν . τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ Romans 6:11;

(b) of things regarded as inoperative, devoid of power: ἁμαρτία , Revelation 7:8; πίοτις , James 2:17; James 2:26; ἔργα , Hebrews 6:1; Hebrews 9:14.

II. As subst., νεκρός , ὁ (Hom., a1.), chiefly in pl. (οἱ ) ν ., the dead: Matthew 11:5, Mark 12:26, Luke 20:37, 1 Corinthians 15:15, al.; ἀνάστασις (τ .) νεκρῶν , Matthew 22:31, Acts 17:32, al.; ν . . . . ζῶντες , Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Acts 10:42, al.; ἀπὸ νεκρῶν , Luke 16:30; ἐκ ν ., Mark 6:14, Luke 24:46, John 12:1, Acts 13:34, Romans 10:7, al.; πρωτότοκος ἐκ τῶν ν ., Colossians 1:18; ζωὴ ἐκ ν ., Romans 11:15; constr. praegn., ἐκ ν . ζῶντες , Romans 6:13.

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Copyright © 1922 by G. Abbott-Smith, D.D., D.C.L.. T & T Clarke, London.​





Vocabulary of the Greek NT

ὁδός in its ordinary sense of ";way,"; ";road,"; is seen in such passages as P Petr I. 21.11 (B.C. 237) ὁδὸς δημοσία, ib. 23.7 (iii/B.C.) (p. [66]) ἀπὸ τῆς βασιλικῆς ὁδοῦ, P Lond 106.14 (iii/B.C.) (= I. p. 61) τά τε σκεύη μου ἐξέρριψεν εἰς τὴν ὁδόν, P Fay 111.5 (A.D. 95–6) ἀπὸ τοῦ σκυλμοῦ τῆς ὡ (= ὁ)δοῦ, ";owing to the fatigue of the journey"; (Edd.), and P Oxy VII. 1068.25 (iii/A.D.) καθ᾽ ὁδόν, ";on the road"; (cf. Luke 10:4, al.). For the metaphorical usage we may cite P Lond 897.10 (A.D. 84) (=III. p. 207) in which a man writes that, in view of the treatment received on his last visit, he will not return to the Arsinoite nome, unless his correspondent can find some ";way"; of preventing a repetition of the injury—ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἦσα (l. ἦσθα) εὑρηκώς τινα ὁδὸν γράψον μοι κτλ. In the note on P Strass II. 85.22 (B.C. 113) it is suggested that the true reading of P Lond 880.23 (B.C. 119) (= III. p. 9) is πλατεία ὁδὸς τῶν θεῶν. The Christian letter P Oxy XII. 1494.8 (early iv/A.D.) shows us ὁδὸς εὐθεῖα, as in 2 Peter 2:15. For the difficult ὁδὸν θαλάσσης in Matthew 4:15, see McNeile’s note ad l.


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Copyright © 1914, 1929, 1930 by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan. Hodder and Stoughton, London.
Derivative Copyright © 2015 by Allan Loder.​

Did Lazarus respond?
 
Typical evasiveness like I expected. Pick your poison from 1 of these many Greek Lexicons and Biblical sources below.

Strongs
nekros: dead

Original Word:
νεκρός, ά, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Spelling: (nek-ros')
Definition: dead
Usage: (a) adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.


3498 nekrós (an adjective, derived from nekys, "a corpse, a dead body") – dead; literally, "what lacks life"; dead; (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.



BDAG's definition:

νεκρός, ά, όν
A.
as adj. (perh. as early as Hom., certainly Pind.; in Ath. only R. title)
1. pert. to being in a state of loss of life, dead, of pers.:
2. pert. to being so morally or spirtually deficientas to be in effect dead, dead, fig. ext. of 1
a. of pers. [...] Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13.
b. of things ν. ἔργα dead works that cannot bring eternal life
3. pert. to having never been alive and lacking capacity for life, dead, lifeless
B.
as subst.
1. one who is no longer physically alive, dead person, a dead body, a corpse, lit.
2. one who is so spiritually obtuse as to be in effect dead, dead



Liddell-Scott-Jones Definitions


νεκρός, ὁ

(of a woman, Diph. 129),

I

1. corpse, Hom., etc.: as Subst., in early writers always of mankind, νεκροὺς συλήσετε τεθνηῶτας Il. 6.71; ν. ἔρυον κατατεθνηῶτας 18.540: freq. of those killed in battle, τοὺς ν. ὑποσπόνδους ἀνείλοντο Th. 4.44, etc.: in sg., νεκρῷ ἐούσῃ Μελίσσῃ Hdt. 5.92. η'; κεῖται ν. περὶ νεκρῷ S. Ant. 1240, etc.; Πατρόκλῳ ν. ὄντι Pl. R. 391b: the Art. is freq. omitted even of a particular corpse, esp. when a gen. is added, ν. γυναικός, ἀνθρώπου, Hdt. 2.89, 90, cf. A. Ag. 659, Th. 1018; later, of a fish, ν. ἰχθύος M.Ant. 6.13: neut. pl. νεκρά, τά, Plu. 2.773d: metaph., νεκρὰ καὶ καπνός M.Ant. 12.33.

2. dying person, μυχθισμὸς νεκρῶν E. Rh. 789; ν. ἀσπαίροντες Antipho 2.4.5; ν. ἀποθνῄσκοντες Th. 2.52.

3. metaph., ὁ υἱός μου ν. ἦν καὶ ἀνέζησε Luke 15:24; ὄνομα ἔχεις ὅτι ζῇς καὶ ν. εἶ Revelation 3:1; ν. τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ Romans 6:11.

4. in pl., the dead, as dwellers in the nether world, κλυτὰ ἔθνεα νεκρῶν Od. 10.526, cf. 11.34, etc.; ἐν νεκροῖς LXX Psalms 87:5(88).5; ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγεῖραι John 12:1; ἡ ἀνάστασις ἡ ἐκ ν. Luke 20:35 : metaph., ζωὴ ἐκ ν. Romans 11:15.

II

1. as Adj. νεκρός, ά, όν, dead, first in Pi., ν. ἵππος Fr. 203; ν. σώματα Mitteis Chr. 31 ii 22 (ii B.C.), Ach.Tat. 3.5, cf. Nic.Dam. 58 J., Plu. 2.685b, X. Ephesians 5:1, POxy. 51.8 (ii A.D.), BGU 1024vii26 (iv/v A.D.) (but also τὰ τῶν ν. σώματα Pl. Lg. 959b; σῶμα.. νεκροῦ E. Hec. 679); ν. χελώνη Luc. DDeor. 7.4: Comp. -ότερος AP 11.135 (Lucill.).

2. inanimate, inorganic, opp. ἔμψυχος, Plot. 3.6.6; οὐχὶ ν., ὥσπερ λίθον ἢ ξύλον, ἀλλὰ ζω[]ν Id. 4.7.9; οὐρανὸς.. ὢν πρὸ ψυχῆς σῶμα ν., γῆ καὶ ὕδωρ Id. 5.1.2; ἡ ν. θάλασσα the Dead Sea, Paus. 5.7.4, Gal. 11.690, Orph. A. 1082.

3. metaph., ν. πλοῦτος Philostr. VS 2.1.1.



Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament

νεκρός , -ά , -όν ,

[in LXX chiefly for H4191;]

dead,

I. as adj.,

1. prop.: Acts 5:10; Acts 20:9, James 2:26, Revelation 1:18, al.; ὡσεὶ ν ., Matthew 28:4, Mark 9:26, Revelation 1:17;of that which is subject to death, Romans 8:10.

2. Metaph.,

(a) of persons: Luke 15:24; Luke 15:32; of those immersed in worldly cares, Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60; of spiritual death, John 5:25, Romans 6:13, Ephesians 5:14, Revelation 3:1; τ . παραπτώμασιν , Ephesians 2:1; Ephesians 2:5, Colossians 2:13; of the opposite condition, ν . τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ Romans 6:11;

(b) of things regarded as inoperative, devoid of power: ἁμαρτία , Revelation 7:8; πίοτις , James 2:17; James 2:26; ἔργα , Hebrews 6:1; Hebrews 9:14.

II. As subst., νεκρός , ὁ (Hom., a1.), chiefly in pl. (οἱ ) ν ., the dead: Matthew 11:5, Mark 12:26, Luke 20:37, 1 Corinthians 15:15, al.; ἀνάστασις (τ .) νεκρῶν , Matthew 22:31, Acts 17:32, al.; ν . . . . ζῶντες , Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Acts 10:42, al.; ἀπὸ νεκρῶν , Luke 16:30; ἐκ ν ., Mark 6:14, Luke 24:46, John 12:1, Acts 13:34, Romans 10:7, al.; πρωτότοκος ἐκ τῶν ν ., Colossians 1:18; ζωὴ ἐκ ν ., Romans 11:15; constr. praegn., ἐκ ν . ζῶντες , Romans 6:13.

Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament.
Copyright © 1922 by G. Abbott-Smith, D.D., D.C.L.. T & T Clarke, London.​





Vocabulary of the Greek NT

ὁδός in its ordinary sense of ";way,"; ";road,"; is seen in such passages as P Petr I. 21.11 (B.C. 237) ὁδὸς δημοσία, ib. 23.7 (iii/B.C.) (p. [66]) ἀπὸ τῆς βασιλικῆς ὁδοῦ, P Lond 106.14 (iii/B.C.) (= I. p. 61) τά τε σκεύη μου ἐξέρριψεν εἰς τὴν ὁδόν, P Fay 111.5 (A.D. 95–6) ἀπὸ τοῦ σκυλμοῦ τῆς ὡ (= ὁ)δοῦ, ";owing to the fatigue of the journey"; (Edd.), and P Oxy VII. 1068.25 (iii/A.D.) καθ᾽ ὁδόν, ";on the road"; (cf. Luke 10:4, al.). For the metaphorical usage we may cite P Lond 897.10 (A.D. 84) (=III. p. 207) in which a man writes that, in view of the treatment received on his last visit, he will not return to the Arsinoite nome, unless his correspondent can find some ";way"; of preventing a repetition of the injury—ἐὰν δὲ μὴ ἦσα (l. ἦσθα) εὑρηκώς τινα ὁδὸν γράψον μοι κτλ. In the note on P Strass II. 85.22 (B.C. 113) it is suggested that the true reading of P Lond 880.23 (B.C. 119) (= III. p. 9) is πλατεία ὁδὸς τῶν θεῶν. The Christian letter P Oxy XII. 1494.8 (early iv/A.D.) shows us ὁδὸς εὐθεῖα, as in 2 Peter 2:15. For the difficult ὁδὸν θαλάσσης in Matthew 4:15, see McNeile’s note ad l.


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I will ask again, dead physically or Spiritually?
 
Did Lazarus respond?
Ahh the Rich man and Lazarus dead in hades/Abrahams bosom.

I'm so glad you brought up this STRAWMAN argument.

Why did Jesus speak in parable if the dead cannot see or understand the truth ?

Why did Jesus speak in parables if calvinism is correct ?

We hear this all of the time comparing mans unregenerate state to that of Lazarus in the tomb in reformed/calvinist teachings.

The fact is calvinism's view on dead is wrong otherwise there would be no need to hide it from them. Why does Jesus need to hide truth from a dead corpse ?

See the contradiction ?

See the oxymoron ?

See the dilemma ?

In the real world we call this though process cognitive dissonance, an inconsistent and contradictory belief. So much for total inability and Jesus need for parables. This is just another example of the inconsistent calvinist/reformed position. Why would God have to harden a dead corpse, a dead man having no ability to hear, see or perceive ?

hope this helps !!!
 
I will ask again, dead physically or Spiritually?
What scripture are you referencing or is this just another unbiblical assumption on your part. You make your argument- I will respond accordingly. Your questions are nothing but evasive tactics.

hope this helps !!!
 
What scripture are you referencing or is this just another unbiblical assumption on your part. You make your argument- I will respond accordingly. Your questions are nothing but evasive tactics.

hope this helps !!!
Ahh the Rich man and Lazarus dead in hades/Abrahams bosom.

I'm so glad you brought up this STRAWMAN argument.

Why did Jesus speak in parable if the dead cannot see or understand the truth ?

Why did Jesus speak in parables if calvinism is correct ?

We hear this all of the time comparing mans unregenerate state to that of Lazarus in the tomb in reformed/calvinist teachings.

The fact is calvinism's view on dead is wrong otherwise there would be no need to hide it from them. Why does Jesus need to hide truth from a dead corpse ?

See the contradiction ?

See the oxymoron ?

See the dilemma ?

In the real world we call this though process cognitive dissonance, an inconsistent and contradictory belief. So much for total inability and Jesus need for parables. This is just another example of the inconsistent calvinist/reformed position. Why would God have to harden a dead corpse, a dead man having no ability to hear, see or perceive ?

hope this helps !!!
Was Lazurus really dead??

What does dead in trespasses and sins mean?
 
End of discussion I love it when we have to tell Calvinists what they believe yet deny on the forum. it’s cognitive dissonance at work .
oh, but you do not understand Calvinism the common refrain refuted straight from the horse's mouth
 
For the readers and guests :)

The spiritual dead misnomer some believe that is false concerning the carnal/natural man.

Adam who was “spiritually “dead hid from God in the garden and was able to communicate with God and understand Him. In the day you eat you shall surely die. So adam sinned and was spiritually dead and yet could communicate with God and understand God. “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” (Genesis 3:10)

Luke 16:27-31 -“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Above we see that Jesus declared the physical dead and spiritual dead can respond to spiritual things. The dead spiritual/physical dead man is pleading for his own brother’s life.

Jesus declares in John 5:25, “An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. Here Jesus says the spiritually dead can and will hear him

In Mark 2:17 Jesus said, “"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The sick/spiritually dead can hear and understand Jesus- the sinner who is dead in their sins can understand.

In Romans 1 we read of the spiritually dead that they can perceive God and that Gods handiwork is self-evident to them and that the things of God are clearly seen by them so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20- For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”



Below we see Jesus tell the "spiritually dead " pharisees that they refuse to come to Jesus so that they can have/receive life.

This is the complete opposite of what some religions teach. Jesus lets those dead pharisees know if they come to Jesus they can have life just as John taught in John 1:12-13 and Jesus taught Nicodemus in John 3:16-18. Belief in Him always precedes life. As I have mentioned before this is consistent with Jesus teachings throughout the gospels. He said no less than 13 times that- YOUR FAITH has saved you, healed, you, made you well. Not the faith that He gave them , saved them. It was THEIR OWN FAITH THAT SAVED THEM. When one placed their faith in Him they will be saved, have life, be regenerate, receive eternal life, salvation. Those conditions are taught by all the apostles and writers of the N.T.

John 5
“I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

41 “I do not accept glory from human beings, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?



The result is our regeneration, life, salvation, eternal life, new birth, born again- all synonyms. Don't let anyone conflate them.

John 7:17
Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

Psalm 25:9
He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them His way.

Psalm 25:14
The LORD confides in those who fear Him, and reveals His covenant to them.

Acts 17:11-12
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

Acts 17:30-31
30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone

so we can see from the above that salvation is for everyone and God commands everyone to repent.

Gods law is to bring one to repentance and reveal one sin.

The law reveals our sin and imperfections that brings one to humble themselves and repent . Out inability to do something God commands like be perfect does not mean we cannot admit our imperfections and inability to be perfect and to rely upon Him for our perfection and not on ones self righteousness. When one understands they cannot save themselves and relies upon God for their salvation they can and will be saved. Repenting is something we do, believing is something we do, saving is what God does. He commands everyone to repent and those who do will be saved. Salvation is for everyone and everyone can repent. God saves those who repent of their sins and believe the gospel. The teaching of Jesus and the publican demonstrates the above is true without regeneration preceding repentance and belief .



Below we read Paul is reasoning with the heathen Greeks and the unbelieving Jews as Corinth. So by using reasoning, logic and persuasion the Apostle converts many of the over the next couple of years. This is how apologetics are used to persuade unbelievers who can understand the scriptures when reasoned well by the Apologist.

Acts 18
After this, Paul left Athens and went to Corinth. 2 There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to see them, 3 and because he was a tentmaker as they were, he stayed and worked with them. 4 Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

5 When Silas and Timothy came from Macedonia, Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching, testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. 6 But when they opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”

7 Then Paul left the synagogue and went next door to the house of Titius Justus, a worshiper of God. 8 Crispus, the synagogue leader, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard Paul believed and were baptized.

9 One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: “Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. 10 For I am with you, and no one is going to attack and harm you, because I have many people in this city.” 11 So Paul stayed in Corinth for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

12 While Gallio was proconsul of Achaia, the Jews of Corinth made a united attack on Paul and brought him to the place of judgment. 13 “This man,” they charged, “is persuading the people to worship God in ways contrary to the law.”

14 Just as Paul was about to speak, Gallio said to them, “If you Jews were making a complaint about some misdemeanor or serious crime, it would be reasonable for me to listen to you. 15 But since it involves questions about words and names and your own law—settle the matter yourselves. I will not be a judge of such things.” 16 So he drove them off. 17 Then the crowd there turned on Sosthenes the synagogue leader and beat him in front of the proconsul; and Gallio showed no concern whatever.


Acts 14:1
At Iconium, Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the Jewish synagogue, where they spoke so well that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed.

Acts 17:2
As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:19
When they reached Ephesus, Paul parted ways with Priscilla and Aquila. He himself went into the synagogue there and reasoned with the Jews.

Acts 19:26
Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

Matthew 16:15-17
He[Jesus]said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.



Luke 15:11-32
And he said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of property that is coming to me.’ And he divided his property between them. 13 Not many days later, the younger son gathered all he had and took a journey into a far country, and there he squandered his property in reckless living. 14 And when he had spent everything, a severe famine arose in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him into his fields to feed pigs. 16 And he was longing to be fed with the pods that the pigs ate, and no one gave him anything.

17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father's hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants.”’ 20 And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23 And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.

25 “Now his older son was in the field, and as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 And he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and sound.’ 28 But he was angry and refused to go in. His father came out and entreated him, 29 but he answered his father, ‘Look, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed your command, yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours came, who has devoured your property with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him!’ 31 And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32 It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.’”

Now notice that the Son was the following :

A ) he was dead
B ) he was lost

So we have a dead son who was lost and on his own realized that he was better off as a slave back at his Fathers house. So as one who is dead he realized his lost state and was able to make his own decision to repent and return to his Fathers house and become a servant. This is the opposite of what Calvinists teach.

We know that Salvation is of the Lord . We know that the Father was not obligated to forgive and restore the son. The son recognized his sin and repented of it and his Father forgave and restored him. The son humbled himself, God didn't, the son repented, God didn't do that for him by granting it to him, the dead son returned home, the Father did not call him home. The Father restored the son after the son repented . Calvinists conflate Gods salvation( Savior ) and mans responsibility to humble themselves and repent of their sin.

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Um seems to me you are not faring well.

You contradicted yourself with permission and you denied what your interpretation of Eph 2:8 entails

Infused faith
Nope. I explained it was about grant not permission. Another loss for your side.
 
the dead can see, hear and respond to Jesus words which is why He had to hide it from them with parables. This totally exposes PG and IR as false. It also exposes TD.

And I have given plenty of biblcal evidence from Scripture that exposes the errors with IR and PG. Arminius woulf be considered a calvinist today.

I can quote so many things and not say its Arminius and most every calvinist would agree and give it a like. I use to do that to calvinists all of the time on CARM and prove my point. I did this as a calvinist because so many times they
misrepresented Arminians and I would expose them for it. I don't like anyone misrepresented regardless of their beliefs. You do this quite often @Presby02

hope this helps !!!
 
Let’s look at the uses of the term “DEAD” in the scripture for you to decide:

1) Jesus referred to the church in Sardis as “DEAD” and called them to “wake up” (Rev 3). Given Christ’s use of the idiomatic term “DEAD” in reference to this church, should we presume that his hearers cannot respond positively to Christ’s appeal in this passage as well?

2) The Prodigal was “DEAD/lost” then “alive/found” demonstrating that the term “DEAD” is idiomatic for “separated by rebellion” not “innate moral inability” (Luke 15:24).

3) “When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”‭‭ – James‬ ‭1:13-15‬ ‭

Are we born “DEAD” according to James? Or is DEATH birthed in those who sin after its “full grown?”

4) “What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.”‭‭ – Romans‬ ‭7:7-11‬ ‭

Are we born “DEAD” according to Paul? Or was it through the commandment, after “sin sprang to life” that DEATH came?

5) “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath…And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,” -‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:1-3, 6‬

This passage says nothing about how or when they died, nor does it relate their condition to any type of innate moral inability.

It does say God raised them up with Christ. Is this meant to represent the special inner work of regeneration which effectually causes them to believe after they are raised up? Let’s observe what else Paul says about being raised up in Christ.

“In Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which *you were also raised up with Him through faith* in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions” (Col. 2:11-13).

They were raised up THROUGH FAITH, not unto faith according to Paul.

Calvinists have the burden to produce just one clear biblical example of the term “DEAD” meaning “the moral incapacity to respond willingly to God from birth.”soteriology101

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the dead can see, hear and respond to Jesus words which is why He had to hide it from them with parables. This totally exposes PG and IR as false. It also exposes TD.

And I have given plenty of biblcal evidence from Scripture that exposes the errors with IR and PG. Arminius woulf be considered a calvinist today.

I can quote so many things and not say its Arminius and most every calvinist would agree and give it a like. I use to do that to calvinists all of the time on CARM and prove my point. I did this as a calvinist because so many times they
misrepresented Arminians and I would expose them for it. I don't like anyone misrepresented regardless of their beliefs. You do this quite often @Presby02OLOL

hope this helps !!!
Our hero. LOL
 
Irresistible Grace and the dead in calvinism.

John Piper
“Irresistible grace refers to the sovereign work of God to overcome the rebellion of our heart and bring us to faith in Christ so that we can be saved.” Furthermore, “The doctrine of irresistible grace means that God is sovereign and can conquer all resistance when he wills.” In other words, “It means that the Holy Spirit, whenever he chooses, can overcome all resistance and make his influence irresistible.”

The question is this- is the above statement a universal truth found in Scripture or is it a doctrinal assumption in a systematic theology ?

Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

Barnes:
the triumphant King and Lord of Zion wept! Amid all "his" prosperity, and all the acclamations of the multitude, the heart of the Redeemer of the world was turned from the tokens of rejoicing to the miseries about to come on a guilty people. Yet they "might" have been saved.

conclusion: Those whom He came to seek and save ( the lost ) rejected Him.

2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert!

Here we see them in the wilderness rejecting Gods grace upon them and grieving God in the process.

People sin: Which separated all from fellowship with God.
Responsible: Able-to-respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation.
Open door: For anyone to enter by faith. Whosoever will may come to His open arms.
Vicarious atonement: Provides a way for anyone to be saved by Christ’s blood.
Illuminating grace: Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith.
Destroyed: For unbelief and resisting the Holy Spirit.
Eternal security: For all true believers.

Gods teaching His Grace is resisted which refutes the " I " in tulip

My top 20 reasons against grace being irresistible


1-Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

2-Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

3-Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

4-Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

5-Hebrews 12:14-15
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

6-2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

7-Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

8-Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

9-Genesis 6:3: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

10-2 Chronicles 36:15-16: And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

11-Proverbs 29:1: He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

12-Isaiah 30:15 “For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel: ‘In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quiteness and confidence shall be your strength.’ But you would not.”

13-Isaiah 65:2“I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts.”

14-Jeremiah 35:15 “I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me.”

15-Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

16-Acts 13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.”

17-Romans 10:21: But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”

18- Matthew 23:37: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

19- Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

20- Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert.

Adam who was “spiritually “dead hid from God in the garden and was able to communicate with God and understand Him. In the day you eat you shall surely die. So adam sinned and was spiritually dead and yet could communicate with God and understand God. “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” (Genesis 3:10)

Luke 16:27-31 -“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Above we see that Jesus declared the physical dead and spiritual dead can respond to spiritual things. The dead spiritual/physical dead man is pleading for his own brother’s life.

Jesus declares in John 5:25, “An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” Here Jesus says the spiritually dead can and will hear him

In Mark 2:17 Jesus said, “"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The sick/spiritually dead can hear and understand Jesus- the sinner who is dead in their sins can understand.

In Romans 1 we read of the spiritually dead that they can perceive God and that Gods handiwork is self-evident to them and that the things of God are clearly seen by them so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20- For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

conclusion: You see the doctrine of irresistible grace is unfounded and there are many unproven presuppositions built into Gods Sovereignty and mans condition and free will to choose or reject God. God does not force Himself on anyone for that by definition would be unloving, just as it would be for you or I to force another person to love you. And so much for those who are dead in calvinism.

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