Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Peterlag]

First you say that you don't read or study Revelation, and then you try to come across as the expert in it.
You are correct that the phrase in verse 4-5 is about the Father. But the phrase in verse 17 is the Son saying that He is also the first and last. You can refuse to accept the truth all day long, but that doesn't change the truth. It is still truth whether you believe it or not: Jesus is God.

Repeating the same post over and over again does not change the lie that it is.

I have to repeat the same post because you guys keep repeating the same Scripture that is taken out of context, or not understood how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

 

[Peterlag]

rather odd my friend . i happen to know John , who was born a jew , sure seemed to understand
that GOD WAS THE WORD and that the WORD did become flesh
John , who was a jew said there are three that bear record .
JOHN who was a jew
was given a revelation in which HE HEARD JESUS HIMSELF say I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last .
THOMAS who was a jew , sure seemed to kneel before HIM and say MY LORD and MY GOD .
Paul who was a jew sure seemed to use See and know that GOD was HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT
as he mentions the SPIRIT OF GOD
the SPIRIT of CHRIST .
SEEMS to me like the TRUE JEWS KNEW THINGS that todays churches SURE DONT . just SAYING .

John's ministry was not one of a Jew but of an Apostle of Jesus Christ. And he never wrote anything teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[Peterlag]

as i said i am far more interested as this point in the direction you are headed .
Peter lag tell me what do you think about this co exist , finding common ground , interfaith stuff
that both TRUMP and vance , that EVEN the very popes have been bringing us all right into .
HOW do you view trumps interfaith . Do you see it as a good thing that can possibly bring peace unto the world and middle east
OR DO YASEE it for the ANTI CHRIST working of inquity IT TRULY IS . please first answer this .

I don't know what Trump is doing around the world. What I do know is this...

What has been abundantly clear in recent years and throughout history is that Islam doesn't coexist with anyone. Christians are slaughtered all over the world by Islam and we keep pretending like it isn't happening and welcoming it into our Christian nations. Islam believes they have to cleanse the planet so their prophet will return. You are the germ if you are not with Islam and so you either have to join or be killed. If you are a Christian or a Jew then you have refused to join so you must die. It's not that complicated.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

I don't know what Trump is doing around the world. What I do know is this...

What has been abundantly clear in recent years and throughout history is that Islam doesn't coexist with anyone. Christians are slaughtered all over the world by Islam and we keep pretending like it isn't happening and welcoming it into our Christian nations. Islam believes they have to cleanse the planet so their prophet will return. You are the germ if you are not with Islam and so you either have to join or be killed. If you are a Christian or a Jew then you have refused to join so you must die. It's not that complicated.

the solution will be a false one my friend . Interfaith preaches it .
The peoples will run and already do run blindly to the false solution for peace .
Islam is a false religoin and its true the exremists are very deadly , very dangerous .
But the solution for how to attain peace amongst the religoins IS FAR DEADLIER
and a very wise and cunning serpent has offered it . His means is to convince
the realm of christendom that all religoins are coming to GOD their own way .
Now he makes his smokescreen seem as though its all for a good cause to attain peace .
BUT , TRUST NOT HIM or HIS MEN . soon enough the solution WILL LEAD
all of those who have become enamoured to the lie to actually come against
those who did not conform to this so called image of love and of GOD that all false religoins and those decieved within
christendom will beleive to be GOD and HIS LOVE .
You all are so darn worried and fearful you gonna sip of the wrong cup in order to attain what
makes you beleive will give the world peace . AND YET BY PEACE shall he destroy many .
THIS IS ALL A HOAX my friend . IT WILL GIVE RISE TO SIE ORDER OF A STRONG militant mindset and force
that all the nar prophets , the liberal realm , all the seduced false religoins will adhere too and beleive in .
Most already do beleive the lie that in some way all religoins serve the same GOD .
WELL they only half right . ALL other religions and those who flow with anti christ false love do serve the same god
BUT IT SURE AINT THE GOD . time we get busy preaching THE GOD , AND HIS CHRIST , that gospel
to anything and everything that breathes air . Fall not for the lie .
Though many cheer trump as a man of GOD , a solider of the top degree for a righteous and so called godly cause
THEY GOTS NO IDEAR or IDEA hims doing the work of the most liberal progressive pope and elites
TO EVER SIT THE THRONE . you alls being decieved by A real sneaky sneak .
AS the left has been deeply decieved . SOON enough and even now as we speak
i see a false common ground whcih shall unite them all . IT WONT be politics , IT WILL BE THE RELIGOIN of what they THINK IS LOVE
BIG and fatal mistake .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

John's ministry was not one of a Jew but of an Apostle of Jesus Christ. And he never wrote anything teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Surely you have not already bought the lie
that a jew who rejects JESUS IS THE CHRIST , is somehow okie dokey . I SURE HOPES NOT .
and as far as the religoin , the torah and law given to the jews , HAD THEY ACTUALLY heard it
had they actually heard moses , had they actually been as was abraham
WELL THEY WOULD NOT have DENIED GOD .
OH , hey peterlag , a quick reminder HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , DOES DENY GOD , DOES CALL HIM A LIAR
whether they jew born or gentile born . SO the GOD OF THE JEWS
YEAH THAT ONE SENT THE SON . sadly not all of Israel is of ISRAEL . . THEY BETTER COME TO JESUS THE CHRIST
or they gonna wail as does any other gentile who also refuses CHRIST .

 

[Doug Brents]

I have to repeat the same post because you guys keep repeating the same Scripture that is taken out of context, or not understood how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

When your post is debunked through proper use of Scripture, posting the identical post again does nothing but make you look stupid. It does not make the point you are trying to make, and it does not support your cause.

John never wrote anything teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

If you believe that, then you have not read the Gospel or the letters of John.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

When your post is debunked through proper use of Scripture, posting the identical post again does nothing but make you look stupid. It does not make the point you are trying to make, and it does not support your cause.

If you believe that, then you have not read the Gospel or the letters of John.

THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE . yeah i would for sure say HE AINT reading it either .

 

[mikesw]

Messiah or christ fundamentally means the anointed. There is no one else anointed in Scripture? Fun fact, many are called messiah or christ in Scripture. Did you know that or are you just intentionally misrepresenting Scripture?

You have to be kidding!!!! The whole NT is about Christ Jesus as king. Indeed he also is a priest who became the sacrifice. I cannot guess how you deny that or what doctrine you actually hold to. You deny everything Christ is.
The obvious expectation is for him as king. There is no alternative possibility as the primary sense. You really are going to all lengths to deny Christ Jesus.

 

[Peterlag]

When your post is debunked through proper use of Scripture, posting the identical post again does nothing but make you look stupid. It does not make the point you are trying to make, and it does not support your cause.

If you believe that, then you have not read the Gospel or the letters of John.

This is the first I heard my posts are debunked. I must have missed that notice. Tell me again... where's the debunked statement showing I'm wrong when I say there's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[Peterlag]

Surely you have not already bought the lie
that a jew who rejects JESUS IS THE CHRIST , is somehow okie dokey . I SURE HOPES NOT .
and as far as the religoin , the torah and law given to the jews , HAD THEY ACTUALLY heard it
had they actually heard moses , had they actually been as was abraham
WELL THEY WOULD NOT have DENIED GOD .
OH , hey peterlag , a quick reminder HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , DOES DENY GOD , DOES CALL HIM A LIAR
whether they jew born or gentile born . SO the GOD OF THE JEWS
YEAH THAT ONE SENT THE SON . sadly not all of Israel is of ISRAEL . . THEY BETTER COME TO JESUS THE CHRIST
or they gonna wail as does any other gentile who also refuses CHRIST .

You say well that Jesus is the Christ. And I say well that Jesus is not God.

 

[Peterlag]

the solution will be a false one my friend . Interfaith preaches it .
The peoples will run and already do run blindly to the false solution for peace .
Islam is a false religoin and its true the exremists are very deadly , very dangerous .
But the solution for how to attain peace amongst the religoins IS FAR DEADLIER
and a very wise and cunning serpent has offered it . His means is to convince
the realm of christendom that all religoins are coming to GOD their own way .
Now he makes his smokescreen seem as though its all for a good cause to attain peace .
BUT , TRUST NOT HIM or HIS MEN . soon enough the solution WILL LEAD
all of those who have become enamoured to the lie to actually come against
those who did not conform to this so called image of love and of GOD that all false religoins and those decieved within
christendom will beleive to be GOD and HIS LOVE .
You all are so darn worried and fearful you gonna sip of the wrong cup in order to attain what
makes you beleive will give the world peace . AND YET BY PEACE shall he destroy many .
THIS IS ALL A HOAX my friend . IT WILL GIVE RISE TO SIE ORDER OF A STRONG militant mindset and force
that all the nar prophets , the liberal realm , all the seduced false religoins will adhere too and beleive in .
Most already do beleive the lie that in some way all religoins serve the same GOD .
WELL they only half right . ALL other religions and those who flow with anti christ false love do serve the same god
BUT IT SURE AINT THE GOD . time we get busy preaching THE GOD , AND HIS CHRIST , that gospel
to anything and everything that breathes air . Fall not for the lie .
Though many cheer trump as a man of GOD , a solider of the top degree for a righteous and so called godly cause
THEY GOTS NO IDEAR or IDEA hims doing the work of the most liberal progressive pope and elites
TO EVER SIT THE THRONE . you alls being decieved by A real sneaky sneak .
AS the left has been deeply decieved . SOON enough and even now as we speak
i see a false common ground whcih shall unite them all . IT WONT be politics , IT WILL BE THE RELIGOIN of what they THINK IS LOVE
BIG and fatal mistake .

I don't see Trump as a minister. I see him as the president of the United States.

 

[Doug Brents]

This is the first I heard my posts are debunked. I must have missed that notice. Tell me again... where's the debunked statement showing I'm wrong when I say there's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Pete, we have been through this over and over, and many others have shown you the truth as well. You don't want to believe that Jesus is God, that is fine by me. But don't come in here trying to prove that Jesus is not God. Scripture proves you wrong, as has been shown.

You say well that Jesus is the Christ. And I say well that Jesus is not God.

If the Christ is not God, then He cannot save more than one soul. One finite soul is only worth one finite soul. But one infinite soul can save every finite soul.

 

[Peterlag]

Pete, we have been through this over and over, and many others have shown you the truth as well. You don't want to believe that Jesus is God, that is fine by me. But don't come in here trying to prove that Jesus is not God. Scripture proves you wrong, as has been shown.

If the Christ is not God, then He cannot save more than one soul. One finite soul is only worth one finite soul. But one infinite soul can save every finite soul.

So just to be clear... there's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[Marvelloustime]

THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE . yeah i would for sure say HE AINT reading it either .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Runningman]

One receives the indwelling of the Spirit of God when they are baptized into Christ and receive forgiveness of sin and adoption as a child of God.

Then why are you making an argument that I don't have the Holy Spirit based on my refutes of your false doctrines?

He is both human and God.

That's not in the Bible.

He emptied Himself, and became a servant, a human, a little lower than the Angels (indicating that He started as more than the angels). Yes, I describe Him as a human who had to learn, but that is after He emptied Himself.

In your theory, Jesus didn't pre-exist as a human to empty himself of his deity because he would have been the deity already. Actually, it's quite the opposite. Jesus was full of the Deity and so were others for that matter. For your argument to hold any water, you would have to contradict the entire New Testament that states Jesus was a man who God was with.

The Passage in Philippians 2:5-8 is about telling the church of Philippi how to have the mind of Jesus, what to think, because Jesus was in the form (outward appearance) of God. What Jesus did and thought, Paul taught the people of Philippi it was attainable for them.

When translated into English, "the" (tou) would go before "Son", not after "of". It becomes "the Son of God", not "Son of the God". There is no "a" before "Son" in the text. This is why EVERY word-for-word translation translates the phrase "‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’".

Sometimes you want to follow the word order and then when it's convenient you want to switch it up. There is no rule in Greek or English that would say what you're saying is the correct translation.

There is no misrepresentation of the word "son", and I did not say that "son" means that he is his father. "God" is a title, a position, and there is only ONE God. But that God is made up of three 'persons', or 'manifestations', or whatever you want to call it. The Father is not the same as the Son, but they are both the same God.

Then Jesus isn't God. Your "first century sons argument" was an epic fail.

Indeed, just as a husband and wife are one flesh (even though they are two people), so we will be united to God through being married to Christ (who is God).

No Jesus isn't God. Jesus and his disciples are all members of the same vine with the Father as a vinedresser. Haven't you read the Bible?

 

[Runningman]

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[Runningman]

You have to be kidding!!!! The whole NT is about Christ Jesus as king. Indeed he also is a priest who became the sacrifice. I cannot guess how you deny that or what doctrine you actually hold to. You deny everything Christ is.
The obvious expectation is for him as king. There is no alternative possibility as the primary sense. You really are going to all lengths to deny Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the Christ, son of the Living God, but Christ isn't Jesus' name. It's a title that means the anointed. Paul taught people they can grow into this anointing because Jesus himself is part of the same anointed body, at the head, as his brethren and sisteren. There are verses in the Old Testament about the priests and prophets being messiah. You are free to read Leviticus 4 since you are apparently having any emotional outburst.

Ephesians 4
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus is the Christ, son of the Living God, but Christ isn't Jesus' name. It's a title that means the anointed. Paul taught people they can grow into this anointing because Jesus himself is part of the same anointed body, at the head, as his brethren and sisteren. There are verses in the Old Testament about the priests and prophets being messiah. You are free to read Leviticus 4 since you are apparently having any emotional outburst.

Ephesians 4
15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

You neglect that he is the promised king first of all. That king is mentioned in Dan 7:13-14. You do not make any sense denying that. He is unique and sent from heaven. Your misconstrual needs to be stated over and over again because the denials of Christ's essence should not be seen as normal views.

 

[dwight92070]

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."
Romans 13:1 " ... For there is no authority except from God, ..."

So Jesus has ALL authority in heaven and on earth. How much does that leave for God? None, because Jesus has it all. But to say that God has no authority contradicts everything we know about Him from the Bible. So how can we reconcile this? Only one way - Jesus is God. The Father in the Godhead gave all authority in heaven and on earth to the Son, without abdicating His own authority.

 

[Runningman]

You neglect that he is the promised king first of all. That king is mentioned in Dan 7:13-14. You do not make any sense denying that. He is unique and sent from heaven. Your misconstrual needs to be stated over and over again because the denials of Christ's essence should not be seen as normal views.

First you should try reading what I believe before addressing it. Jesus being a ruler from among the people/saints of God isn’t something I “deny.” I haven’t denied anything about Jesus. I am denying your story about Jesus though. The Bible does not say what you do.