The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14

[101G]

To all,
let's see this ECHAD of EQUAL SHARE in OT and NT.

OT, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

NT, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

The Revelation, Zechariah 13:7... the term "Fellow", the man that is my fellow? this Hebrew term "FELLOW" is H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

John 14:16, the Greek term "Another". which is, [ 1,,G243 G2087 ,allos heteros ] have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."

my source for these definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
and the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

101G.

 

[TomL]

To all,
let's see this ECHAD of EQUAL SHARE in OT and NT.

OT, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

NT, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

The Revelation, Zechariah 13:7... the term "Fellow", the man that is my fellow? this Hebrew term "FELLOW" is H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

John 14:16, the Greek term "Another". which is, [ 1,,G243 G2087 ,allos heteros ] have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."

my source for these definition is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
and the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

101G.

Of the same sort not the same identity

None of those texts support your theology

 

[101G]

To all nonbelievers in the TRUE Christ.
yes, many say they believe Christ. talk is cheap, where is thou ... FAITH? FACT:Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," here the Lord Jesus the Ordinal Last said "God" is a HE, a single person who made man in the beginning male and female. now, do we not BELIEVE the Lord Jesus God who cannot LIE. or do we bury our heads in the sand and IGNORE what the Lord Jesus said, in order to keep a false doctrine?

when the Lord Jesus said "God is a he", common sense dictates and demand us to revisit Genesis chapter 1 and verses 26 ...... AND 27 top get the truth. if any man refuse seeking the TRUTH, just as the apostle by the Lord Jesus said, " let him or her be Anathema Maranatha.

101G.

 

[TomL]

To all nonbelievers in the TRUE Christ.
yes, many say they believe Christ. talk is cheap, where is thou ... FAITH? FACT:Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," here the Lord Jesus the Ordinal Last said "God" is a HE, a single person who made man in the beginning male and female. now, do we not BELIEVE the Lord Jesus God who cannot LIE. or do we bury our heads in the sand and IGNORE what the Lord Jesus said, in order to keep a false doctrine?

when the Lord Jesus said "God is a he", common sense dictates and demand us to revisit Genesis chapter 1 and verses 26 ...... AND 27 top get the truth. if any man refuse seeking the TRUTH, just as the apostle by the Lord Jesus said, " let him or her be Anathema Maranatha.

101G.

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beginning		made		them		male		and		female
ἀρχή		ποιέω		αὐτός		ἄρσην		καί		θῆλυς
archē		poieō		autos		arsēn		kai		thēlys
NGSF		VAAI3S		RP3APM		NASN JASN		CLN		JASN
746		4160		846		730		2532		2338

W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Mt 19:4.

 

[101G]

Ever look at the Greek text

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beginning		made		them		male		and		female
ἀρχή		ποιέω		αὐτός		ἄρσην		καί		θῆλυς
archē		poieō		autos		arsēn		kai		thēlys
NGSF		VAAI3S		RP3APM		NASN JASN		CLN		JASN
746		4160		846		730		2532		2338

W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Mt 19:4.

have you read Mark 10:6 which support what was said in Matthew 19:4.

101G

 

[TomL]

have you read Mark 10:6 which support what was said in Matthew 19:4.

101G

Nothing there to support your theology

Mark 10:6–9 (LEB) — 6 But from the beginning of creation ‘he made them male and female. 7 Because of this a man will leave his father and mother and will be joined to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh,’ so that they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, man must not separate.”

 

[7xLightray]

How can God go from a "US", and "OUR" a plurality in one verse, to a "HIS" and a "HE" a singularity in the very next verse?

In Gen ch.1 We only read about "God" (verse 1) and the "spirit of God" (verse 2), and no one else in this chapter.

And the spirit of God is the image of God (Isa 40:18-22, a "what" and a "who"; and a image is not you (plural you)), and Jn 1:1 says it was the word that was with God before creation, and the word that comes out of the living God, is living. So, God is speaking to His helper, the spirit of His Son, His living word, which is not a person, but is that which came out of God's mouth (God who has no form), at this time being a "what."

So, correctly, there is only one "He" person, that's why it jumps between plural and singular at the proper time.

 

[101G]

In Gen ch.1 We only read about "God" (verse 1) and the "spirit of God" (verse 2), and no one else in this chapter.

And the spirit of God is the image of God (Isa 40:18-22, a "what" and a "who"; and a image is not you (plural you)), and Jn 1:1 says it was the word that was with God before creation, and the word that comes out of the living God, is living. So, God is speaking to His helper, the spirit of His Son, His living word, which is not a person, but is that which came out of God's mouth (God who has no form), at this time being a "what."

So, correctly, there is only one "He" person, that's why it jumps between plural and singular at the proper time.

First thanks for the reply, and the good try. but still in EREROR. consider this. the TERM "GOD" is the Spirit. for God is a, a, a, a, Spirit, meaning ONE person, and this is borne out in John 1:1 in the terms Word and God. listen and learn. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here the LORD is the FIRST, right... and this First one is .... "WITH" .... the Last one. now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, the First who is the LORD is "ALSO" the Last. and the term ALSO means, in addition; too. HELLO, did we get that? the First is also the Last, just as in John 1:1 the Word is "ALSO" God.... Hello. and in Genesis 1:1 and 2, the Spirit is "ALSO" God. the same ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

First thanks for the reply, and the good try. but still in EREROR. consider this. the TERM "GOD" is the Spirit. for God is a, a, a, a, Spirit, meaning ONE person, and this is borne out in John 1:1 in the terms Word and God. listen and learn. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." here the LORD is the FIRST, right... and this First one is .... "WITH" .... the Last one. now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, the First who is the LORD is "ALSO" the Last. and the term ALSO means, in addition; too. HELLO, did we get that? the First is also the Last, just as in John 1:1 the Word is "ALSO" God.... Hello. and in Genesis 1:1 and 2, the Spirit is "ALSO" God. the same ONE PERSON.

101G.

Why is it error?
I don't see anything you said, makes my doctrine error. As far as I can tell (if I have you correct), I agree with everything you stated. If, you are saying, what God is was upon the waters, the "what" was upon the waters.

Correct, there is only one "He" person, who is speaking to the spirit of God which is with Him, and is Him, that's why it jumps between plural and singular at the proper time." The spirit of God is with God, and is God. In the beginning was the word/spirit of God, and the Word/spirit of God was with God, and the Word/spirit of God was God.

The only difference is I teach that the Father's spirit became the flesh, the body of His Son. Who is another person, but that is the Father working in His Son (We have fallen dirt working in our flesh), and who is also His Son, but as Adam is Eve (same flesh, one flesh), though.

If they are the same person, it makes the word of God unintelligible (like Jn 17:3, or 6:51).

 

[101G]

Why is it error?
I don't see anything you said, makes my doctrine error. As far as I can tell (if I have you correct), I agree with everything you stated. If, you are saying, what God is was upon the waters, the "what" was upon the waters.

Correct, there is only one "He" person, who is speaking to the spirit of God which is with Him, and is Him, that's why it jumps between plural and singular at the proper time." The spirit of God is with God, and is God. In the beginning was the word/spirit of God, and the Word/spirit of God was with God, and the Word/spirit of God was God.

do you see your mistake, 101G highlighted it ... the Word and God is the same one person.

In Gen ch.1 We only read about "God" (verse 1) and the "spirit of God" (verse 2), and no one else in this chapter.

again the Spirit of, of, of, of, God is God... again God is a Spirit. see John 4:24. the same one person as in John 1:1 the Word was God, again the same one person in the ECHAD of himself.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

do you see your mistake, 101G highlighted it ... the Word and God is the same one person.

again the Spirit of, of, of, of, God is God... again God is a Spirit. see John 4:24. the same one person as in John 1:1 the Word was God, again the same one person in the ECHAD of himself.

101G.

The word must be both, with God, and also, somehow, God!
Ask yourself, is my breath (my spoken word) and my person the same person? No, no!
Again, ask yourself, Is my spoken word with me? Yes!
Only, God and His breath (spoken word) are not in bodily form! Nor are they creation! The spirit/breath/word issues forth out of God.

I agree God is spirit.
But not the same person, because with God, and was God.

 

[101G]

The word must be both, with God, and also, somehow, God!
Ask yourself, is my breath (my spoken word) and my person the same person? No, no!
Again, ask yourself, Is my spoken word with me? Yes!
Only, God and His breath (spoken word) are not in bodily form! Nor are they creation! The spirit/breath/word issues forth out of God.

let's not guess, let the bible tell us. ok? scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." notice the FIRST, the LORD is ....... "WITH" ....... the LAST, right. Just as the Word was "WITH" God as in John 1:1. now this Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, can the bible LIE. also means, "in addition; too:" so, in additional to being the FIRST, he is ... "ALSO" ...... the Last.... SAME ONE PERSON. the scriptures don't lie.

if you have any question, just ask.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

let's not guess, let the bible tell us. ok? scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." notice the FIRST, the LORD is ....... "WITH" ....... the LAST, right. Just as the Word was "WITH" God as in John 1:1. now this Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, can the bible LIE. also means, "in addition; too:" so, in additional to being the FIRST, he is ... "ALSO" ...... the Last.... SAME ONE PERSON. the scriptures don't lie.

if you have any question, just ask.

101G.

First of all, it does not say they are the same person, and there is another way of understanding that, if you are willing to hear.
Do you understand how your spoken word is with you? But, God is like the invisible air, and wind is His breath. Air and wind, are they the same, or different? That is the answer you seek!
And the spirit of God the Father became flesh, so, yes, that is the Father working in the Son, and His Son was born man, and will remain man, who is another person.

 

[101G]

First of all, it does not say they are the same person, and there is another way of understanding that, if you are willing to hear.
Do you understand how your spoken word is with you? But, God is like the invisible air, and wind is His breath. Air and wind, are they the same, or different? That is the answer you seek!
And the spirit of God the Father became flesh, so, yes, that is the Father working in the Son, and His Son was born man, and will remain man, who is another person.

GINOLJC, to all
First thanks for the reply. second, 101G understand that but that's not what 101G is saying. Listen John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

PLEASE NOTICE, the "Word" was .... "WITH" .... God correct, and the Word was GOD. now the Word that was "WITH" God MADE ALL THINGS, per verse 3 follow? now Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now, "ALONE" means, having no one else present. so there is no Father working in the Son, meaning it is not "ANOTHER" person that is separate, or distinct. Notice the term "ANOTHER", G243 in the Greek has two meaning, notice, from Vine Dictionary new testament. G243 Allos, "expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort". G 2087 heteros, "expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." see the difference. G243 Allos clearly show that God is a Plurality of his OWN-SELF, which constitute the ONE PERSON as being the First and the Last, as well as the Father and the Son, or the beginning and the end, or the Alpha and the Omega, or the Root and the Offspring, or .... get this, the LORD and the Lord, meaning the SAME ONE PERSON in the ECHAD or the Diversity of his OWN-SELF in Flesh.

understand, when Isaiah 44:24 states he was ALONE and BY HIMSELF, that eliminated any PERSON(S) in the Godhead. as say God is a he, and even the Lord JESUS, who is that ONE person as God said God mis ONE person, for he JESUS said God is a HE..... meaning a single person. as a SINGLE PERSON, God spoke, (who is Spirit), .... HIS WORD IS HIM... understand. there is no separation in God, be it in PERSON, or Nature. the answer is in G 243 Allos, "ANOTHER" of his OWN-SELF in the ECHAD of HIS OWN SELF. the scriptures clearly states, "HIS OWN ARM brought Salvation unto HIM. see Isaiah 63:5. 101G suggest one read Isaiah 63:5, and see who his OWN ARM is by reading Isaiah chapter 53.

if you have any questions just ask. thanks.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

GINOLJC, to all
First thanks for the reply. second, 101G understand that but that's not what 101G is saying. Listen John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

PLEASE NOTICE, the "Word" was .... "WITH" .... God correct, and the Word was GOD. now the Word that was "WITH" God MADE ALL THINGS, per verse 3 follow? now Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now, "ALONE" means, having no one else present. so there is no Father working in the Son, meaning it is not "ANOTHER" person that is separate, or distinct. Notice the term "ANOTHER", G243 in the Greek has two meaning, notice, from Vine Dictionary new testament. G243 Allos, "expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort". G 2087 heteros, "expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." see the difference. G243 Allos clearly show that God is a Plurality of his OWN-SELF, which constitute the ONE PERSON as being the First and the Last, as well as the Father and the Son, or the beginning and the end, or the Alpha and the Omega, or the Root and the Offspring, or .... get this, the LORD and the Lord, meaning the SAME ONE PERSON in the ECHAD or the Diversity of his OWN-SELF in Flesh.

understand, when Isaiah 44:24 states he was ALONE and BY HIMSELF, that eliminated any PERSON(S) in the Godhead. as say God is a he, and even the Lord JESUS, who is that ONE person as God said God mis ONE person, for he JESUS said God is a HE..... meaning a single person. as a SINGLE PERSON, God spoke, (who is Spirit), .... HIS WORD IS HIM... understand. there is no separation in God, be it in PERSON, or Nature. the answer is in G 243 Allos, "ANOTHER" of his OWN-SELF in the ECHAD of HIS OWN SELF. the scriptures clearly states, "HIS OWN ARM brought Salvation unto HIM. see Isaiah 63:5. 101G suggest one read Isaiah 63:5, and see who his OWN ARM is by reading Isaiah chapter 53.

if you have any questions just ask. thanks.

101G.

Did you think I said, Jesus was a man, and a person, before he was born of Mary?
Did you think I said, God is not a Plurality of his OWN-SELF?

This tells me you clearly did not understand..
"PLEASE NOTICE, the "Word" was .... "WITH" .... God correct, and the Word was GOD. now the Word that was "WITH" God MADE ALL THINGS, per verse 3 follow? now Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now, "ALONE" means, having no one else present. so there is no Father working in the Son, meaning it is not "ANOTHER" person that is separate, or distinct. Notice the term "ANOTHER", G243 in the Greek has two meaning, notice, from Vine Dictionary new testament. G243 Allos, "expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort". G 2087 heteros, "expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort." see the difference. G243 Allos clearly show that God is a Plurality of his OWN-SELF, which constitute the ONE PERSON as being the First and the Last, as well as the Father and the Son,..when Isaiah 44:24 states he was ALONE and BY HIMSELF, that eliminated any PERSON(S) in the Godhead."

"so there is no Father working in the Son, meaning it is not "ANOTHER" person that is separate, or distinct."
At creation? Correct! Did you think I said, Jesus was a man, and a person, before he was born of Mary?

"G243 Allos clearly show that God is a Plurality of his OWN-SELF"
Yes, at the time of creation, but then the word became flesh, and a person! Did you think I said, God is not a Plurality of his OWN-SELF?

"When Isaiah 44:24 states he was ALONE and BY HIMSELF, that eliminated any PERSON(S) in the Godhead."
Did you think I said Jesus was a person, before he was born of Mary?

Why is nobody able to hear, Lord, why are their ears shut?

Ya, "the Diversity of his OWN-SELF in Flesh" became a person, a true son.

 

[TomL]

"G243 Allos clearly show that God is a Plurality of his OWN-SELF"
Yes, at the time of creation, but then the word became flesh, and a person! Did you think I said, God is not a Plurality of his OWN-SELF?

ἄλλος, η, ο (Hom.+; inscr., pap., LXX, Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.) adj. and subst.
1. other—a. different fr. the subject who is speaking or who is logically understood μήπως ἄλλοις κηρύξας αὐτὸς ἀδόκιμος γένωμαι lest after I have preached to others I myself might be rejected 1 Cor 9:27. ἄ. ἐστὶν ὁ μαρτυρῶν J 5:32 (ἄλλος of God as Epict. 3, 13, 13). ἄλλη συνείδησις (=ἄλλου συν.) another man’s conscientious scruples 1 Cor 10:29. ἄλλους ἔσωσεν, ἑαυτὸν οὐ δύναται σῶσαι others he saved, himself he cannot save Mt 27:42; Mk 15:31, cf. Lk 23:35.
b. different fr.—α. a previously mentioned subj. or obj. ἄλλα δὲ ἔπεσεν ἐπὶ κτλ. Mt 13:5, 7f. ἄλλην παραβολήν vss. 24, 31, 33; 21:33. ἄλλους ἑστῶτας 20:3, 6.—Freq. the subj. or obj. is not expressly mentioned, but can be supplied fr. what precedes διʼ ἄλλης ὁδοῦ ἀνεχώρησαν 2:12 (cf. 3 Km 13:10) al.
β. different fr. the subj. in a following contrasting phrase ἄλλοι κεκοπιάκασιν, καὶ ὑμεῖς εἰς τὸν κόπον αὐτῶν εἰσεληλύθατε J 4:38 (JATRobinson, TU 73, ’59, 510-15 [identity]).
c. used correlatively in contrast οἱ μὲν—ἄλλοι (δέ) some—others J 7:12. Indefinite τινὲς—ἄλλοι 9:16. Also ὁ ὄχλος—ἄλλοι the crowd—others 12:29. ὁ πλεῖστος ὄχλος—ἄλλοι δέ Mt 21:8. With no mention of the first part, and the other parts introd. by ἄλλοι—ἄλλοι Mk 6:15; 8:28; Lk 9:19; J 9:9.—In enumerations, w. ὁ μέν in the first part, continued by ἄλλος δέ (somet. ἕτερος takes the place of ἄλλος, as Hb 11:35f; Libanius, Or. 32, p. 155, 18 F. ἄλλοι. . . ἕτεροι; Ps.-Clem., Hom. 19, 9; UPZ 42, 32f [162 BC]; s. e below) 1 Cor 12:8ff. οἱ πέντε—ὁ εἷς—ὁ ἄλλος=the last one Rv 17:10. οἱ ἄλλοι w. a noun expressed or understood (X., Cyr. 3, 3, 4; Herodian 2, 4, 4) the other (s), the rest (Ps.-Callisth. 3, 35 τὰ ἄλλα λʹ [ἔτη]=the rest of the thirty years) J 20:25; 21:8; 1 Cor 14:29.—Various cases of ἄ. in juxtapos. (Epictetus index Schenkl; Hippocr., Ep. 17, 31 ἀλλὰ ἄλλος ἄλλου; Maximus Tyr., 3, 1d ἀλλὰ ἄλλον ἄλλο; 21, 7b; Sallust. 4 p. 6, 19; Jos., Bell. 7, 389; 396, Ant. 7, 325) ἄ. πρὸς ἄ. λέγοντες one said to the other Ac 2:12. ἄλλοι μὲν οὖν ἄλλο τι ἔκραζον now some were shouting one thing, some another (X., An. 2, 1, 15 ἄλλος ἄλλα λέγει) 19:32; cf. 21:34.
d. ἄλλος τις some other, any other μήτε ἄλλον τινὰ ὅρκον Js 5:12. ἄ. τις διϊσχυρίζετο another man maintained Lk 22:59. Esp. εἴ τις ἄ. (1 Macc 13:39) 1 Cor 1:16; Phil 3:4.—οὐδεὶς ἄλλος no one else (cf. Jos., Vi. 196) J 15:24.
e. in comparisons another, different (from, compared with).
α. different in kind 1 Cor 15:39ff; 2 Cor 11:4 (interchanging w. ἕτερος; s. below β Gal 1:7 and c above).
β. another (except, besides) οὐκ ἔστιν ἄ. πλὴν αὐτοῦ there is none (i.e. no other God) but he Mk 12:32 (cf. Ex 8:6; Is 45:21; Pr 7:1a). W. ἀλλά foll. 1 Cl 51:5; ἀλλʼ ἤ 2 Cor 1:13; εἰ μή J 6:22; παρά w. acc. (Philostrat., Vi. Apoll. 5, 30 p. 188, 30) 1 Cor 3:11. Gal 1:6, 7 (Bl-D. §306, 4; Mlt. 80 n. 1; 246; EDBurton, ICC Gal., 420-2) belongs in this section (s. ἕτερος 1bγ).
γ. ἄλλος ἐστὶν ὁ σπείρων καὶ ἄλλος ὁ θερίζων one sows, another reaps J 4:37.

δ. ἄλλος καὶ ἄλλος each one a different, or simply different Hs 9, 1, 4; 10; 9, 17, 1; 2; 9, 28, 1.
2. more (Pla., Leg. 5 p. 745A ἄλλο τοσοῦτον μέρος) w. cardinal numbers (Stephan. Byz. s.v. Ἐ͂ορδαῖαι: ἄλλαι δύο χῶραι; Diog. L. 1, 115 Ἐπιμενίδαι ἄλλοι δύο; Gen 41:3, 6, 23; Jos., Ant. 1, 92)ἄ. δύο ἀδελφούς two more brothers Mt 4:21; ἄ. πέντε τάλαντα (cf. Dit., Syll.3 201, 17 [356 BC] ἄλλας τριάκοντα μνᾶς; PBouriant 23, 7 [II AD]; 1 Esdr 4:52; 1 Macc 15:31) 25:20, cf. vs. 22. μετʼ αὐτοῦ ἄ. δύο J 19:18.
3. w. art. the other of the two (Soph., El. 739; Eur., Iph. T. 962f; Pla., Leg. 1 p. 629D; Dit., Syll.3 736, 91 [92 BC]; UPZ 162 VIII, 34 [117 BC]; BGU 456, 10ff; PRain. 22, 15 [II AD] τὸ ἄλλο ἥμισυ, also Tob 8:21 S; cf. also 1 Km 14:4. The strictly correct word would be ἕτερος): the healed hand is ὑγιὴς ὡς ἡ ἄλλη Mt 12:13. ἡ ἄ. Μαρία (to differentiate her fr. Mary Magdalene, as Appian, Basil. 1a §4 Αἰνείας ἄλλος; Arrian, Anab. 5, 21, 3; 5 ὁ ἄλλος Πῶρος) 27:61; 28:1. στρέψον αὐτῷ καὶ τὴν ἄ. turn the other (i.e. the left cheek) to him, too Mt 5:39; cf. Lk 6:29. ὁ μαθητὴς ὁ ἄλλος J 18:16 (cf. 20:2ff); τοῦ ἄ. τοῦ συσταυρωθέντος 19:32. M-


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[101G]

Did you think I said, Jesus was a man, and a person, before he was born of Mary?

he was. one scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

he was. one scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

101G.

Not my question.
Are you saying he was a man before he was born of Mary? I am sure you are not saying that, are you?

 

[7xLightray]

ἄλλος, η, ο (Hom.+; inscr., pap., LXX, Ep. Arist., Philo, Joseph., Test. 12 Patr.) adj. and subst.
1. other—a. different fr. the subject who is speaking or who is logically understood μήπως ἄλλοις κηρύξας αὐτὸς ἀδόκιμος γένωμαι lest after I have preached to others I myself might be rejected 1 Cor 9:27. ἄ. ἐστὶν ὁ μαρτυρῶν J 5:32 (ἄλλος of God as Epict. 3, 13, 13). ἄλλη συνείδησις (=ἄλλου συν.) another man’s conscientious scruples 1 Cor 10:29. ἄλλους ἔσωσεν, ἑαυτὸν οὐ δύναται σῶσαι others he saved, himself he cannot save Mt 27:42; Mk 15:31, cf. Lk 23:35.
b. different fr.—α. a previously mentioned subj. or obj. ἄλλα δὲ ἔπεσεν ἐπὶ κτλ. Mt 13:5, 7f. ἄλλην παραβολήν vss. 24, 31, 33; 21:33. ἄλλους ἑστῶτας 20:3, 6.—Freq. the subj. or obj. is not expressly mentioned, but can be supplied fr. what precedes διʼ ἄλλης ὁδοῦ ἀνεχώρησαν 2:12 (cf. 3 Km 13:10) al.
β. different fr. the subj. in a following contrasting phrase ἄλλοι κεκοπιάκασιν, καὶ ὑμεῖς εἰς τὸν κόπον αὐτῶν εἰσεληλύθατε J 4:38 (JATRobinson, TU 73, ’59, 510-15 [identity]).
c. used correlatively in contrast οἱ μὲν—ἄλλοι (δέ) some—others J 7:12. Indefinite τινὲς—ἄλλοι 9:16. Also ὁ ὄχλος—ἄλλοι the crowd—others 12:29. ὁ πλεῖστος ὄχλος—ἄλλοι δέ Mt 21:8. With no mention of the first part, and the other parts introd. by ἄλλοι—ἄλλοι Mk 6:15; 8:28; Lk 9:19; J 9:9.—In enumerations, w. ὁ μέν in the first part, continued by ἄλλος δέ (somet. ἕτερος takes the place of ἄλλος, as Hb 11:35f; Libanius, Or. 32, p. 155, 18 F. ἄλλοι. . . ἕτεροι; Ps.-Clem., Hom. 19, 9; UPZ 42, 32f [162 BC]; s. e below) 1 Cor 12:8ff. οἱ πέντε—ὁ εἷς—ὁ ἄλλος=the last one Rv 17:10. οἱ ἄλλοι w. a noun expressed or understood (X., Cyr. 3, 3, 4; Herodian 2, 4, 4) the other (s), the rest (Ps.-Callisth. 3, 35 τὰ ἄλλα λʹ [ἔτη]=the rest of the thirty years) J 20:25; 21:8; 1 Cor 14:29.—Various cases of ἄ. in juxtapos. (Epictetus index Schenkl; Hippocr., Ep. 17, 31 ἀλλὰ ἄλλος ἄλλου; Maximus Tyr., 3, 1d ἀλλὰ ἄλλον ἄλλο; 21, 7b; Sallust. 4 p. 6, 19; Jos., Bell. 7, 389; 396, Ant. 7, 325) ἄ. πρὸς ἄ. λέγοντες one said to the other Ac 2:12. ἄλλοι μὲν οὖν ἄλλο τι ἔκραζον now some were shouting one thing, some another (X., An. 2, 1, 15 ἄλλος ἄλλα λέγει) 19:32; cf. 21:34.
d. ἄλλος τις some other, any other μήτε ἄλλον τινὰ ὅρκον Js 5:12. ἄ. τις διϊσχυρίζετο another man maintained Lk 22:59. Esp. εἴ τις ἄ. (1 Macc 13:39) 1 Cor 1:16; Phil 3:4.—οὐδεὶς ἄλλος no one else (cf. Jos., Vi. 196) J 15:24.
e. in comparisons another, different (from, compared with).
α. different in kind 1 Cor 15:39ff; 2 Cor 11:4 (interchanging w. ἕτερος; s. below β Gal 1:7 and c above).
β. another (except, besides) οὐκ ἔστιν ἄ. πλὴν αὐτοῦ there is none (i.e. no other God) but he Mk 12:32 (cf. Ex 8:6; Is 45:21; Pr 7:1a). W. ἀλλά foll. 1 Cl 51:5; ἀλλʼ ἤ 2 Cor 1:13; εἰ μή J 6:22; παρά w. acc. (Philostrat., Vi. Apoll. 5, 30 p. 188, 30) 1 Cor 3:11. Gal 1:6, 7 (Bl-D. §306, 4; Mlt. 80 n. 1; 246; EDBurton, ICC Gal., 420-2) belongs in this section (s. ἕτερος 1bγ).
γ. ἄλλος ἐστὶν ὁ σπείρων καὶ ἄλλος ὁ θερίζων one sows, another reaps J 4:37.

δ. ἄλλος καὶ ἄλλος each one a different, or simply different Hs 9, 1, 4; 10; 9, 17, 1; 2; 9, 28, 1.
2. more (Pla., Leg. 5 p. 745A ἄλλο τοσοῦτον μέρος) w. cardinal numbers (Stephan. Byz. s.v. Ἐ͂ορδαῖαι: ἄλλαι δύο χῶραι; Diog. L. 1, 115 Ἐπιμενίδαι ἄλλοι δύο; Gen 41:3, 6, 23; Jos., Ant. 1, 92)ἄ. δύο ἀδελφούς two more brothers Mt 4:21; ἄ. πέντε τάλαντα (cf. Dit., Syll.3 201, 17 [356 BC] ἄλλας τριάκοντα μνᾶς; PBouriant 23, 7 [II AD]; 1 Esdr 4:52; 1 Macc 15:31) 25:20, cf. vs. 22. μετʼ αὐτοῦ ἄ. δύο J 19:18.
3. w. art. the other of the two (Soph., El. 739; Eur., Iph. T. 962f; Pla., Leg. 1 p. 629D; Dit., Syll.3 736, 91 [92 BC]; UPZ 162 VIII, 34 [117 BC]; BGU 456, 10ff; PRain. 22, 15 [II AD] τὸ ἄλλο ἥμισυ, also Tob 8:21 S; cf. also 1 Km 14:4. The strictly correct word would be ἕτερος): the healed hand is ὑγιὴς ὡς ἡ ἄλλη Mt 12:13. ἡ ἄ. Μαρία (to differentiate her fr. Mary Magdalene, as Appian, Basil. 1a §4 Αἰνείας ἄλλος; Arrian, Anab. 5, 21, 3; 5 ὁ ἄλλος Πῶρος) 27:61; 28:1. στρέψον αὐτῷ καὶ τὴν ἄ. turn the other (i.e. the left cheek) to him, too Mt 5:39; cf. Lk 6:29. ὁ μαθητὴς ὁ ἄλλος J 18:16 (cf. 20:2ff); τοῦ ἄ. τοῦ συσταυρωθέντος 19:32. M-


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What's your point?

 

[TomL]

What's your point?

The Greek word Allos does not support a denial of Trinitarianism