The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14

[101G]

it's so pitiful, a LACK of KNOWLEDGE.... IGNORANCE

From BIBLE HUB link "ON LAST" in Isaiah 41:4 Link: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/314.htm

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Strong's Concordance acharon: coming after or behind​ Original Word: אַחֲרוֹן Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: acharon Phonetic Spelling: (akh-ar-one') Definition: coming after or behind NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin from achar Definition coming after or behind NASB Translation afterward (2), afterwards (1), come (5), come later (1), end (1), future* (1), last (23), last one (1), last ones (1), last time (1), later (2), later things (1), latter (3), next (2), ones who (1), rear (1), west (1), western (4). ​ Brown-Driver-Briggs אַחֲרוֺן51 feminine אַחֲרוֺנָה plural אַחֲרֹנִים (also אַחֲרוֺנִים adjective fromאַחַר, coming after or behind (as a comparative or superlative, according to the context); hence a. of place, behind, hindermost Genesis 33:2 (twice in verse); הָאַחֲרוֺן הַיָּם the hinder (= the Western) sea (i.e. the Mediterranean: opposed to הַיָּם הַקַּדְמוֺנִי the front sea = the Dead Sea, the Semites, in defining the quarters of the heavens, turning naturally to the East, compare קֶדֶם of the East, יָמִין, תֵּימָן of the South, above under the word אָחוֺר d. and Assyrian mat a—arru 'the Western land,' of Phoenicia & Palestine) Deuteronomy 11:24; Deuteronomy 34:2; Joel 2:20; Zechariah 14:8; Job 18:20 poetic אַחֲרֹנִים Ew Hi Di De the dwellers in the West (opposed to קַדְמוֺנִים). More commonly b. of time, latter or last (according to context) Exodus 4:8; Deuteronomy 24:3; 2 Samuel 19:12; Isaiah 8:23, of God Isaiah 44:6 ("" רִאשׁוֺן) Isaiah 48:12 (do.) compare Isaiah 41:4; in Genl. subsequent (vaguely), ׳יוֺם א = time to come Isaiah 30:8; Proverbs 31:25 (but Nehemiah 8:18 הַיוֺם ׳הָאַ = the last day), ׳(הָ)אַ (הַ)דּוֺר the following Generation Deuteronomy 29:21; Psalm 48:14; Psalm 78:4; Psalm 78:6; Psalm 102:19, (הָ)אַחֲרֹנִים they that come after Job 18:20 (Ges Schl) Ecclesiastes 1:11; Ecclesiastes 4:16, but Isaiah 41:4 the last, Job 19:25 וְאַחֲרוֺן עַלעָֿפָר יָקוּם and as one coming after (me) (and so able to establish my innocence when I am dead) will he (גָֹּֽאֲלִי my Vindicator) arise upon the dust. — The feminine is used adverbially (compare רִאשֹׁנָה) = afterwards or at the last (according to context): (a) absolute Daniel 11:29; (β) בָּאַחֲרוֺנָה (opposed to בָּרִאשֹׁנָה) Deuteronomy 13:10; Deuteronomy 17:7; 1 Samuel 29:2; 2 Samuel 2:26; 1 Kings 17:13; Daniel 8:3; (γ) ׳לָאַ Numbers 2:31 (P)

BINGO...... but Isaiah 41:4 the last if people just research.....

101G.

 

[101G]

Let's get educate people.
Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

I, I, I, AM "HE", one in the same person. how do 101G know this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

also? yes for ALSO means, in addition; too. in addition to being the First, he is the LAST. not a group of people, but "THE LAST", the same one person. this is too easy.

101G.

 

[TomL]

Let's get educate people.
Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

I, I, I, AM "HE", one in the same person. how do 101G know this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

also? yes for ALSO means, in addition; too. in addition to being the First, he is the LAST. not a group of people, but "THE LAST", the same one person. this is too easy.

101G.

Sorry Jesus/The Word is not the Father

and being with the last indicates more than one

just as here below

Zechariah 2:6–12 (LEB) — 6 “Woe! Woe! Flee from the land of the north,” declares Yahweh, “for I have scattered you like the four winds of the heavens,” declares Yahweh. 7 “Woe, Zion! Escape, you inhabitants of the daughter of Babylon!” 8 For thus said Yahweh of hosts, after glory he sent me against the nations plundering you: Truly, the one touching you is touching the apple of his eye. 9 “Yes, look! I am going to wave my hand against them, and they will become plunder for their servants, and you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me. 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion, for look, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,” declares Yahweh. 11 “Many nations will join themselves to Yahweh on that day, and they will be my people, and I will dwell in your midst. And you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me to you. 12 And Yahweh will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and he will again choose Jerusalem.

 

[101G]

Sorry Jesus/The Word is not the Father

and being with the last indicates more than one

just as here below

Zechariah 2:6–12 (LEB) — 6 “Woe! Woe! Flee from the land of the north,” declares Yahweh, “for I have scattered you like the four winds of the heavens,” declares Yahweh. 7 “Woe, Zion! Escape, you inhabitants of the daughter of Babylon!” 8 For thus said Yahweh of hosts, after glory he sent me against the nations plundering you: Truly, the one touching you is touching the apple of his eye. 9 “Yes, look! I am going to wave my hand against them, and they will become plunder for their servants, and you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me. 10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion, for look, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,” declares Yahweh. 11 “Many nations will join themselves to Yahweh on that day, and they will be my people, and I will dwell in your midst. And you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me to you. 12 And Yahweh will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and he will again choose Jerusalem.

nope, this is the Zechariah verse that says the Lord Jesus is God, the Father almighty in Flesh. Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

WHAT!... "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications?".
I here is the LORD, who will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem and that happen on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." the term "shed forth" is the Greek word for pour out/shed forth.
G1632 ἐκχέω ekcheo (ek-che'-ō) v.
ἐκχύνω ekchuno (ek-chï '-nō) [by variation]
1. to pour forth.
2. (figuratively) to bestow.
[from G1537 and cheo “to pour”]
KJV: gush (pour) out, run greedily (out), shed (abroad, forth), spill
Root(s): G1537

now what was POURED OUT? the Holy Spirit, right.... now let's understand. Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications"
the spirit of supplications,
H8469 תַּחֲנוּן tachanuwn (tach-an-oon') n-m.
תַּחֲנוּנָה tachanuwnah (tach-an-oo-naw') [feminine]
earnest prayer.
[from H2603]
KJV: intreaty, supplication.
Root(s): H2603

now this earnest prayer/supplications which was fulfilled at Pentecost, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
Pray: G4336 προσεύχομαι proseuchomai (pros-ev'-cho-mai) v.
to pray to God, i.e. supplicate, worship.
[from G4314 and G2172]
KJV: pray (X earnestly, for), make prayer
Root(s): G4314, G2172

BINGO, supplicate. which means, ask or beg for something earnestly or humbly. THIS IS JUST TOO EASY.
1 John 2:1 is this so easy?

101G

 

[TomL]

nope, this is the Zechariah verse that says the Lord Jesus is God, the Father almighty in Flesh. Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

WHAT!... "I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications?".
I here is the LORD, who will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem and that happen on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." the term "shed forth" is the Greek word for pour out/shed forth.
G1632 ἐκχέω ekcheo (ek-che'-ō) v.
ἐκχύνω ekchuno (ek-chï '-nō) [by variation]
1. to pour forth.
2. (figuratively) to bestow.
[from G1537 and cheo “to pour”]
KJV: gush (pour) out, run greedily (out), shed (abroad, forth), spill
Root(s): G1537

now what was POURED OUT? the Holy Spirit, right.... now let's understand. Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications"
the spirit of supplications,
H8469 תַּחֲנוּן tachanuwn (tach-an-oon') n-m.
תַּחֲנוּנָה tachanuwnah (tach-an-oo-naw') [feminine]
earnest prayer.
[from H2603]
KJV: intreaty, supplication.
Root(s): H2603

now this earnest prayer/supplications which was fulfilled at Pentecost, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
Pray: G4336 προσεύχομαι proseuchomai (pros-ev'-cho-mai) v.
to pray to God, i.e. supplicate, worship.
[from G4314 and G2172]
KJV: pray (X earnestly, for), make prayer
Root(s): G4314, G2172

BINGO, supplicate. which means, ask or beg for something earnestly or humbly. THIS IS JUST TOO EASY.
1 John 2:1 is this so easy?

101G

Nope


The father did not go to the cross

 

[101G]

Nope


The father did not go to the cross

ERROR, did not the First and the Last was crucified? yes, and was it not the first and the Last who created all things... hence the Father? yes, Shared in flesh BINGO.

101G.

 

[101G]

@TomL
is not the First and the Last the Almighty? if yes did not the first and the Last died on the cross? yes. now if the almighty is not the Father then you have two God... meaning you're polythetic.

101G.

 

[TomL]

@TomL
is not the First and the Last the Almighty? if yes did not the first and the Last died on the cross? yes. now if the almighty is not the Father then you have two God... meaning you're polythetic.

101G.

Nope I have one God who is more than one person.

 

[TomL]

ERROR, did not the First and the Last was crucified? yes, and was it not the first and the Last who created all things... hence the Father? yes, Shared in flesh BINGO.

101G.

Nope

More than one person is the first and the last

 

[Johann]

ERROR, did not the First and the Last was crucified? yes, and was it not the first and the Last who created all things... hence the Father? yes, Shared in flesh BINGO.

101G.

The Father did NOT go to the cross.


Greek Terminology: In the New Testament, the Greek word for "Father" (Πατήρ, Patēr) is distinct from the word for "Son" (Υἱός, Huios). The New Testament passages that describe the crucifixion of Jesus specifically use "Son" rather than "Father." For instance, in John 3:16, it is the "Son" (Υἱός) whom God "gave" for the world’s salvation. This is significant because Greek nouns and pronouns are precise, and there is no linguistic confusion between Patēr (Father) and Huios (Son) in the Greek text.

Pronoun Usage and Subject Identification: In passages about the crucifixion, Jesus is referred to with personal pronouns that clearly distinguish Him from the Father. For example, in Matthew 27:46, when Jesus cries out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” the Greek structure and pronoun use make it clear that the speaker is the Son addressing the Father. The distinct subject pronouns highlight the separate persons of the Father and the Son.

Verb Forms and Actions Assigned to Each Person: Greek grammar assigns actions to subjects with clarity. In passages describing the crucifixion, actions like "being crucified" (σταυρόω, stauroō) and "giving up his spirit" (παραδίδωμι, paradidōmi) are applied specifically to Jesus, the Son. The verb forms align with the pronoun autos (he), which consistently refers to Jesus in these contexts, and not to the Father.

Theological Consistency in Philippians 2:6-8: In Philippians 2:6-8, the language used to describe Jesus’ incarnation and death emphasizes His role specifically. The text states that Jesus "emptied himself" and "became obedient to death—even death on a cross." The Greek verbs here (ἐκένωσεν, ekenōsen for "emptied" and ὑπήκοος, hupēkoos for "obedient") are grammatically linked to Jesus, not the Father. The passage outlines Jesus' willingness to take on flesh and die, an action that is not attributed to the Father.

John 1:14 and the Distinction of the Incarnation: John 1:14 states, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” The term "Word" (Λόγος, Logos) refers to Jesus, the Son, not the Father. Morphologically, the verbs and nouns in this verse refer to the Word taking on flesh, a role attributed exclusively to Jesus. There is no grammatical indication that the Father is included in the incarnation or crucifixion directly; instead, the verse emphasizes the unique role of the Son.

In the context of the crucifixion of Jesus, it is important to clarify that it was Jesus, the Son of God, who went to the cross, not God the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that God exists as three Persons in one essence: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit.

The essence of God the Father did not go to the cross, but rather it was God the Son who took on human form and sacrificially gave Himself on the cross for the salvation of humanity.

J.

 

[101G]

Nope I have one God who is more than one person.

then you're in darkness.

101G.

 

[101G]

Nope

More than one person is the first and the last

Specify, by name and rank.

101G.

 

[Johann]

then you're in darkness.

101G.

This is uncalled for.

J.

 

[101G]

The Father did NOT go to the cross.

GINOLJC, to all.
101G have only one question that statement. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

QUESTION, "is God ... OWN ARM... someone else ARM?" yes or no

101G.

 

[101G]

This is uncalled for.

J.

no, darkness is simply UNKNOWN, or not understood.

101G.

 

[101G]

these scriptures are clear as day,
Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

and who is this that obtained salvation for us?

Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

101G.

 

[Johann]

these scriptures are clear as day,
Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

and who is this that obtained salvation for us?

Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

101G.

Daniel 7:13-14
Verse: "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."

Hebrew Grammar and Morphology (Daniel 7:13-14):

וּבְעִנְיֵי שְׁמַיָּא (u-b’inyay shamayya - "with the clouds of heaven"):
וּ (u): conjunction, meaning "and."
בְּ (b): preposition, meaning "in" or "with."
עִנְיֵי ('in’ey): construct plural of 'in (meaning “clouds”).
שְׁמַיָּא (sh’maiya): "heaven," nominative singular.
כְּבַר אֱנָשׁ (k’var enash - "one like a son of man"):
כְּ (k): preposition meaning "like."
בַּר (bar): root meaning "son."
אֱנָשׁ (enash): noun, "man."
2. Psalm 110:1
Verse: "The Lord said to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.’"

Hebrew Grammar and Morphology (Psalm 110:1):

נְאֻם (ne’um - "says")

נְאֻם (ne’um): noun, meaning "utterance," "declaration," or "oracle."
יְהוָה (YHWH - "The Lord")

יְהוָה (YHWH): divine name, referring to God.
לַאדֹנִי (la’adoni - "to my lord")

לַ (la): preposition, meaning "to."
אֲדֹנִי ('adoni): noun, meaning "lord" or "master."
שִׁבְעִי (shiv’i - "sit")

שִׁבְעִי (shiv’i): imperative verb, root שׁב meaning “to sit.”
יְמִין (yemin - "right hand")

יְמִין (yemin): noun, meaning “right” (side).
3. Isaiah 9:6
Verse: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Hebrew Grammar and Morphology (Isaiah 9:6):

כִּי-יֶלֶד-יִוָּלֵד-לָנוּ (ki-yeled-yiwaled-lanu - "For a child is born to us")

כִּי (ki): conjunction meaning "for" or "because."
יֶלֶד (yeled): noun, meaning "child."
יִוָּלֵד (yiwaled): verb, Piel stem, future tense, meaning "will be born."
לָנוּ (lanu): preposition meaning "to us."
וּמִשְׁפָּט (u-mishpat - "and the government")

וּ (u): conjunction meaning "and."
מִשְׁפָּט (mishpat): noun, meaning "judgment" or "government."
הַשִּׂם (hashim - "his name")

ה (ha): definite article meaning “the.”
שִּׂם (shim): noun, meaning “name.”
4. Genesis 1:26
Verse: "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.'"

Hebrew Grammar and Morphology (Genesis 1:26):

נַעֲשֶׂה (na'aseh - "Let us make")

נַ (na): cohortative form, indicating a suggestion or intention.
עָשָׂה ('asah): verb, Qal imperfect, first-person plural, meaning "to make."
בְּצַלְמֵנוּ (b’tzalmenu - "in our image")

בְּ (b): preposition meaning "in."
צַלְמֵנוּ (tzalmenu): noun, meaning "image," construct form of tzelem, meaning "image" or "likeness," with the suffix indicating "our."
כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ (kid’mutenu - "after our likeness")

כִּ (ki): preposition meaning "like" or "according to."
דְּמוּת (d’mut): noun, meaning "likeness," "shape," or "form."
5. Isaiah 48:16
Verse: "Come near to me, hear this: From the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time it came to be, I have been there. And now the Lord GOD has sent me and his Spirit."

Hebrew Grammar and Morphology (Isaiah 48:16):

קָרוֹב (qarov - "Come near")

קָרוֹב (qarov): verb, imperative form, meaning "to come near."
הַשִּׁמְעוּ (hashimu - "Hear")

הַ (ha): definite article.
שִּׁמְעוּ (shim’u): verb, imperative form, plural, meaning "hear."
מֵאָז (me'az - "from the time")

מֵ (me): preposition meaning "from."
אָז ('az): adverb meaning "then" or "from then."
שְׁלַחַנִי (sh’lachani - "has sent me")

שְׁלַח (sh’lach): verb, Qal perfect, third person masculine singular meaning “to send.”
נִי (ni): suffix pronoun, meaning "me."


You figure this out-you have the Word Bible Software.

J.

 

[101G]

to all,
101G believe in ONE God. that's not the discussion. the PERSON, or the Personhood of God is the discussion. and the bible is clear, that God is a SINGLE Person who is "Diversified" in flesh that was to come. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and this coming was in TIME, which certify the term H259 ECHAD in, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" .
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

definition #2 certify the ECHAD of God in TIME. and prove the term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1.

as First OT and Last NT, is the same ONE PERSON "Equally Shared, just as Philippians 2:6 CLEARLY STATES, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" this equality in SHARING, confirms the NT term G243 "ALOS". 101G suggest anyone to understand this term from the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. there one will clearly see the NUMERICALLY DIFFERENCE in the Ordinal designation of God coming in flesh... hence the First and Last designation of ONLY ONE PERSON.

101G.

 

[Johann]

to all,
101G believe in ONE God. that's not the discussion. the PERSON, or the Personhood of God is the discussion. and the bible is clear, that God is a SINGLE Person who is "Diversified" in flesh that was to come. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and this coming was in TIME, which certify the term H259 ECHAD in, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" .
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

definition #2 certify the ECHAD of God in TIME. and prove the term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1.

as First OT and Last NT, is the same ONE PERSON "Equally Shared, just as Philippians 2:6 CLEARLY STATES, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" this equality in SHARING, confirms the NT term G243 "ALOS". 101G suggest anyone to understand this term from the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. there one will clearly see the NUMERICALLY DIFFERENCE in the Ordinal designation of God coming in flesh... hence the First and Last designation of ONLY ONE PERSON.

101G.

Undecipherable.

J.

 

[civic]

Nope


The father did not go to the cross

Amen it was the Son.

No man has seen the Father period.