The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14

[TomL]

GINOLJC, to all.
First there is only ONE PERSON in the Godhead that is a ECHAD of himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. there are several scriptures that contradict and notions of a three person Godhead.

your Job 26:13 "By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent." this is only ONE PERSON. again the term "BY" is the giveaway.
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

when will they ever learn.

see above.

see above above.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

now who made "ALL THINGS?" the LORD or the Lord who is the Word in John 1:? remember the LORD was "Alone", and "by himself".
if one cannot see this by now, God help them.

BINGO, “You alone are Yahweh. You alone have made the heavens," my God when people are going to get it. if he's "ALONE" there is no one else.

so, who else is there? now the KJV, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"
HOW MANY PERSONS IS "he?"

my God, how hard is it to understand? but the scriptures are correct. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" what a shame, lost and they don't even know it..

101G.

Sorry but The father is not the son and the son is not the spirit

One sends, others are sent.

One has his will, another has his own will.

One became man, the others did not.

one went to the cross, the others did not.

One became a sacrifice for sin the others did not.

etc etc etc

 

[7xLightray]

There are three in the Godhead

Three involved in creation

Job 26:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psalm 104:30 (LEB) — 30 You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.

Colossians 1:15–16 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

John 1:2–3 (LEB) — 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

Nehemiah 9:6–16 (LEB) — 6 “You alone are Yahweh. You alone have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, and all of their army, the earth and all that is in it, the waters and all that is in them. You give life to all of them, and the army of the heavens worship you

Isaiah 42:5 (LEB) — 5 Thus says the God, Yahweh, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people upon it and spirit to those who walk in it.

Well, obviously there must be another way to understand those verse in light of Gen 1:26-27! Which, I was attempting to show you, but I don't think you want to know.

 

[TomL]

Well, obviously there must be another way to understand those verse in light of Gen 1:26-27! Which, I was attempting to show you, but I don't think you want to know.

Why obviously when you have not addressed the verses or given a reason to understand the verses in another manner

The spirit

Job 26:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psalm 104:30 (LEB) — 30 You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.

The Son

Colossians 1:15–16 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

John 1:2–3 (LEB) — 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

And will you deny a reference the Father to YahwehWYahweh

Nehemiah 9:6–16 (LEB) — 6 “You alone are Yahweh. You alone have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, and all of their army, the earth and all that is in it, the waters and all that is in them. You give life to all of them, and the army of the heavens worship you

Isaiah 42:5 (LEB) — 5 Thus says the God, Yahweh, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people upon it and spirit to those who walk in it.

 

[7xLightray]

Why obviously when you have not addressed the verses or given a reason to understand the verses in another manner

The spirit

Job 26:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psalm 104:30 (LEB) — 30 You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.

The Son

Colossians 1:15–16 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

John 1:2–3 (LEB) — 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

And will you deny a reference the Father to YahwehWYahweh

Nehemiah 9:6–16 (LEB) — 6 “You alone are Yahweh. You alone have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, and all of their army, the earth and all that is in it, the waters and all that is in them. You give life to all of them, and the army of the heavens worship you

Isaiah 42:5 (LEB) — 5 Thus says the God, Yahweh, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people upon it and spirit to those who walk in it.

What do you think my first (post #15) to you was about (in "Isaiah and the trinity")? It was to show you there was another way.

This will answer all your verses Genesis 1:26-27;2:22.
And verses like these Jn 17:3; 6:51; Rev 13:1-2, 18, solidifies Gen 1:26-27 as to a Trinity.

If you are going to demand I answer more of yours, while you refuse to answer mine, then I am back to: When you answer this..
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[TomL]

What do you think my first (post #15) to you was about (in "Isaiah and the trinity")? It was to show you there was another way.

This will answer all your verses Genesis 1:26-27;2:22.
And verses like these Jn 17:3; 6:51; Rev 13:1-2, 18, solidifies Gen 1:26-27 as to a Trinity.

If you are going to demand I answer more of yours, while you refuse to answer mine, then I am back to: When you answer this..
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

Never disagreed that creation was referenced

Only denied that Isa 40:22 references the Spirit alone

John 17:3 (LEB) — 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

says nothing at all about the creation

John 6:51 (LEB) — 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats from this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

this also does not address creation

Revelation 13:1–2 (LEB) — 1 And I saw coming up out of the sea a beast that had ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns ten royal headbands, and on its heads a blasphemous name. 2 And the beast that I saw was similar to a leopard, and its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like the mouth of a lion, and the dragon gave it his power and his throne and great authority.
Revelation 13:18 (LEB) — 18 Here is wisdom: the one who has understanding, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number, and his number is six hundred sixty-six.

nor this

 

[7xLightray]

Never disagreed that creation was referenced

Only denied that Isa 40:22 references the Spirit alone

John 17:3 (LEB) — 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

says nothing at all about the creation

John 6:51 (LEB) — 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats from this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

this also does not address creation

Revelation 13:1–2 (LEB) — 1 And I saw coming up out of the sea a beast that had ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns ten royal headbands, and on its heads a blasphemous name. 2 And the beast that I saw was similar to a leopard, and its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like the mouth of a lion, and the dragon gave it his power and his throne and great authority.
Revelation 13:18 (LEB) — 18 Here is wisdom: the one who has understanding, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number, and his number is six hundred sixty-six.

nor this

Then why did it take so long to answer, Yes!
So then, you agree that Isa 40:21 is pointing to Genesis?
Why? What for?

Those verses were not a reference to creation, it was a reference to the Trinity. Those verses solidify that Trinity is a major error.

 

[TomL]

Then why did it take so long to answer, Yes!
So then, you agree that Isa 40:21 is pointing to Genesis?
Why? What for?

Those verses were not a reference to creation, it was a reference to the Trinity. Those verses solidify that Trinity is a major error.

Because the point was Isa 45:22 does not identify the Spirit as the only member of the Godhead to be above the earth

as you claimed.

 

[101G]

Sorry but The father is not the son and the son is not the spirit

One sends, others are sent.

One has his will, another has his own will.

One became man, the others did not.

one went to the cross, the others did not.

One became a sacrifice for sin the others did not.

etc etc etc

if 101G sends his word to you in a letter/Flesh, who came 101G or his Word. answer 101G because 101G word is 101G. for without 101G his word would not exist.

listen carefully, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." now who is the "only" Saviour? let the bible tell us, Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." Isaiah 60:16 "Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob." REDEEMER too?. Titus 1:4 "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour."

now many would say God and "LORD" all caps here means the Father. well lets see what the bible say then, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

God and the Father? so who is the "God" that is the "Father" also... God and the Father is that two? if not, nor is 2 Timothy 4:1 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"

101G

 

[7xLightray]

Because the point was Isa 45:22 does not identify the Spirit as the only member of the Godhead to be above the earth

as you claimed.

Well to make this clear, again, I am not saying the spirit is the only member of the Godhead to be above the earth. But, within the context of Isa 40:18-22 it does point to Gen1:2 "the spirit of God."

I do not know why this part, alone, would be an issue for a Trinitarian. The part about the spirit being God's image I understand why, but this part I do not. Why are you not simply understanding this as: this is just another passage that shows the spirit dwells in heaven above the earth along with the Father and Son, or the spirit created along with The Father and Son. Like I could argue Psalm 104:30 "You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground," only speaks of the spirit alone, but so what, what is the big deal about that?!

Isa 40:18-22 does not point us to any other passage, it points to the beginning of Genesis, that would be the deference. I guess you were not able to grasp only the clues within the context of the mystery count. Otherwise, one will find it quite difficult to solve, if one goes outside of the boundaries of the instructions of the mystery, and includes all things in the world as possible clues.

 

[TomL]

Well to make this clear, again, I am not saying the spirit is the only member of the Godhead to be above the earth. But, within the context of Isa 40:18-22 it does point to Gen1:2 "the spirit of God."

And that is the point I am disputing as verse 22 is not talking about God being over the earth in times past but as currently

 

[TomL]

if 101G sends his word to you in a letter/Flesh, who came 101G or his Word. answer 101G because 101G word is 101G. for without 101G his word would not exist.

101G's word is the not the living personal word of the scriptures so your statement is irrelevant

 

[7xLightray]

And that is the point I am disputing as verse 22 is not talking about God being over the earth in times past but as currently

I know, I've understood your point, but it seems you are not understanding mine. Is there a time when God is not above the earth? If you and I both agree that God is always above the earth, than what is your questioning about? It does not matter when Isa 40:22 is referring to, because it points to Genesis.
Plus, one could also say it's like Jn 8:58, were Jesus is using the Present in the Indicative (which does stress at the present time), but referring to the past; this makes Jesus presently existing in the past within the context.

The only thing I am saying here, is that Isa 40:18-22 only points to the beginning of Genesis. And, that in of itself, does not change doctrine just because one passage points to another passage, but what is contained in those passages.

 

[101G]

101G's word is the not the living personal word of the scriptures so your statement is irrelevant

LOL, LOL, LOL, 101G word is just as relevant as if 101G were dead, for 101G's word is WRITTEN..... Oh what a revelation and you have no clue ... do you? .... (smile). 101G just love the Word of God. he God the Holy Spirit, JESUS reveals himself unto his servants.

101G.

 

[TomL]

LOL, LOL, LOL, 101G word is just as relevant as if 101G were dead, for 101G's word is WRITTEN..... Oh what a revelation and you have no clue ... do you? .... (smile). 101G just love the Word of God. he God the Holy Spirit, JESUS reveals himself unto his servants.

101G.

Sorry, no your word is not a personal being

The Word however was/is/ever will be a personal being

Philippians 2:5–11 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[TomL]

I know, I've understood your point, but it seems you are not understanding mine. Is there a time when God is not above the earth? If you and I both agree that God is always above the earth, than what is your questioning about? It does not matter when Isa 40:22 is referring to, because it points to Genesis.
Plus, one could also say it's like Jn 8:58, were Jesus is using the Present in the Indicative (which does stress at the present time), but referring to the past; this makes Jesus presently existing in the past within the context.

The only thing I am saying here, is that Isa 40:18-22 only points to the beginning of Genesis. And, that in of itself, does not change doctrine just because one passage points to another passage, but what is contained in those passages.

Yes it does matter as all that is God is always above the earth you cannot use Gen 1:2 to state

Isaiah 40:22 (LEB) — 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

verse 22 references the Spirit alone

 

[101G]

Sorry, no your word is not a personal being

personal Opinion?.... lol, lol, lol, Oh boy.

The Word however was/is/ever will be a personal being

and everlast, just ... "like" .... 101G is in HIM...... (smile), YIKES!

Sorry, no your word is not a personal being

The Word however was/is/ever will be a personal being

Philippians 2:5–11 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

the same one person... BINGO.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[TomL]

personal Opinion?.... lol, lol, lol, Oh boy.

Not opinion but being

Phil 2:5ff clearly denotes a personal being with a mind and an ability to consider , humble himself and take action

Let me know when you can address it

 

[101G]

Not opinion but being

Phil 2:5ff clearly denotes a personal being with a mind and an ability to consider , humble himself and take action

Let me know when you can address it

listen, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" equal with? is this a separate person? is not the LORD the First? let the bible speak. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, the same one person.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[7xLightray]

Yes it does matter as all that is God is always above the earth you cannot use Gen 1:2 to state

Isaiah 40:22 (LEB) — 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

verse 22 references the Spirit alone

That is not the way I am stating it, you are rewording my words. I am wording it this way..
Actually one can, you yourself presented a verse(s) that speaks of the spirit alone creating.. "Psalm 104:30 (LEB) — 30 You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.", yet, do you not say all three create? Yes you do! No metion of the Father, or Son creating in this verse, but only the spirit all alone creating, is how that verse is worded! So, of course you can, God's word does it itself.

I'm not saying the spirit of God is the only one above the earth. All of God is too, but that, the spirit is only mention above the earth in Gen 1:2. Seriously, how hard could this be to understand?! Or, are we stuck in ground hog day?

Why is Isa 40:21 pointing to Genesis?

 

[101G]

I'm not saying the spirit of God is the only one above the earth. All of God is too, but that, the spirit is only mention above the earth in Gen 1:2. Seriously, how hard could this be to understand?!

True, God is everywhere, for our understanding things are used. scripture, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."

101G.