101G
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no, he is the Spirit that created all things. he is the man who was to come to redeem all that he made.... understand?
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The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14
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And all that points to more than one person
No that just eliminated any other than Yahweh
but we see another who has the name of Yahweh and is god
Exodus 3:2–14 (LEB) — 2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed. 3 And Moses said, “Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?” 4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, “Moses, Moses.” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 And he said, “You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground.” 6 And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God. 7 And Yahweh said, “Surely I have seen the misery of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry of distress because of their oppressors, for I know their sufferings. 8 And I have come down to deliver them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from this land to a good and wide land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites. 9 And now, look, the cry of distress of the Israelites has come to me, and also I see the oppression with which the Egyptians are oppressing them. 10 And now come, and I will send you to Pharaoh, and you must bring my people, the Israelites, out from Egypt.” 11 But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and that I should bring the Israelites out from Egypt?” 12 And he said, “Because I am with you, and this will be the sign for you that I myself have sent you: When you bring the people out from Egypt, you will serve God on this mountain.” 13 But Moses said to God, “Look, if I go to the Israelites and I say to them, ‘The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is his name?’ then what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “I am that I am.” And he said, “So you must say to the Israelites, ‘I am sent me to you.’ ”
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Abraham
Genesis 22:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. 13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen. 15 And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, 16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. 19 So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beer-sheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beer-sheba.
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Hagar
Genesis 16:7–13 (KJV 1900) — 7 And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai’s maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. 9 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. 10 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. 13 And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Manoah
Judges 13:13–22 (KJV 1900) — 13 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware. 14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe. 15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee. 16 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the Lord. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the Lord. 17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? 18 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret? 19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the Lord: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on. 20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground. 21 But the angel of the Lord did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the Lord. 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
The Angel of the Lord appeared to Jacob
In a dream the Angel of the Lord said to me: Jacob! and I said, ‘Here am I.’
12 He said: Look and observe how all the he-goats that leap upon the flock are striped, speckled and mottled; for I have seen everything Laban is doing to you.
13 I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a memorial pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now, get ready, move out of this country and go back to your native land.” [1]
Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
7xLightray
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What does that matter to me? What does that have to do with me?
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What are you referring to?
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I highlighted to show why I asked.
And yes, the spirit of God created all things, and that is the Fathers flesh and blood.
The angel of the Lord- who is called God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh- The preincarnate Christ
1 Corinthians 10:1–4 (LEB) — 1 For I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all went through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:6–9 (LEB) — 6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we should not be desirers of evil things, just as those also desired them, 7 and not become idolaters, as some of them did, just as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play,” 8 nor commit sexual immorality, as some of them committed sexual immorality, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day, 9 nor put Christ to the test, as some of them tested him, and were destroyed by snakes,
Jude 5 (LEB) — 5 Now I want to remind you, although you know everything once and for all, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, the second time destroyed those who did not believe.
101G
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It should be obvious
Here we have the LORD of Hosts and his fellow, his shepherd
That is two
Jesus is speaking
In context he speaks of his Father and another comforter
Multiple persons
comrade, kindred, another obviously more than one person
Clearly you have failed to understand your own reference
Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;
that is more than one
101G
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Now he is, but not at Genesis 1:1. and at Genesis 1:1 the flesh blood and bone man ... JESUS was in that Spirit who made man without blood on day 3. ... understand now. if not once more. Jesus the Christ, flesh bone and blood did not created anything..... but JESUS the Spirit did. got it now?
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)
101G
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are you sure? the term "Fellow" here is the Hebrew word,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
first notice the second definition.... concrete? is not God Spirit? meaning Abstract? .... (smile). but what also did the definition say? "kindred man"
KINDRED MAN? as in KINSMAN REDEEMER. but also notice the KJV can also translate this term "fellow" as "another" and what have 101G been saying about this term "another?" another of, of, of, oneself.in the Hebrew it's H259 ECHAD, and in the Greek G243 Allos.... (Smile). now what do H259 means?
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
now G243 Allos. "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;"
now this fellow is "ANOTHER" of God ..... numerically. now do this numerical difference means two or MORE as you said? let's see what the bible says, Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." the First and the Last? is the First and the Last two separate and distinct persons? of course not. now listen to the bible. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." say what? "I AM HE", that's one person right. let the bible tell us. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." say what, the First is ...... "ALSO" ....... the Last? yes, because ALSO means, "in addition; too". look up the term "ALSO. so the LORD is the FIRST and in addition this, he's "also" the Last, the same one PERSON. elementary my dear Watson.
Now that KINSMAN REDEEMER of Zechariah 13:7 .... Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." he, JESUS is the ROOT, before David, (FATHER/FIRST), CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THINGS just as John 1:3 clearly states. and he is AFTER David, (SON/LAST). REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL the THINGS he MADE in the beginning. And that term OFFSPRING it is the Greek term
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
KIN? yes, God shared equally in flesh bone and blood.
this Jesus is KIN... as in being made LIKE his fellows/breathers' Hebrews 1:9 "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." as in KINSMAM REDEEMER, the Ordinal LAST/SON. yes the REDEEMER of the world, who came in flesh bone and blood like as his brothers. supportive scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Hebrews 2:17 "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."
my God this is too easy. the Lord Jesus is God in flesh, (HIS OWN ARM that came to REDEEM and SAVE us). for it was God who came and REDEEM and SAVED us. supportive scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; (read that again), he will come and save you."
that FELLOW in Zechariah 13:7 is GOD almighty shared in flesh and blood to redeem and save us from our sins. in another topic, you all are arguing over dispensationalism or administration. listen, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."
only two. the First CREATION and the Last SALVATION, and there is only ONE administer... JESUS
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the
PS, re-read this for your edification, 101G is not going to keep on repeating.
101G
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no, only ONE PERSON. quick to the answer, let's read all of it in context. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." read verse 18 again. BINGO, he tells us who he is.
now think was he not the FIRST COMFORTER? Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."
this term consolation means, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870
Think, one who gives HELP is a "HEPER?" ... hello. and one who Gives comfort, or solace is he not a Counsellor, or a Lawyer? scripture, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
this is just too easy not to understand.
101G.
Along with the Father and the Spirit
Positive
Another - more than one
101g has been looking at a globe and arguing for a flat earth
Echad does not mean another of ones self
Allos even less so
A numerical difference points to more than one
not portion of the one
If we have one (echad) cluster of grapes we do not have one grape in multiple pieces but multiple grapes together as a single unit
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Now he is what? flesh and blood?
But, here comes the unclear, really hard to read and understand part, it sounds like you contradicted what you just said, but I think probably just badly wording, "and at Genesis 1:1 the flesh blood and bone man ... JESUS was in that Spirit who made man without blood on day 3" This sounds like Jesus was in flesh and blood and in the spirit when He made man.
And what does this mean, without blood on day three?
"JESUS was in that Spirit who made man without blood on day 3. ... understand now,"
No, I understand you less than I ever did before.
"flesh bone and blood did not created anything..... but JESUS the Spirit did. got it now?"
Ya, totaly understand this part! And agree!
You go by, "AKA the spiritual saboteur," and "AKA the anti-christ," now? What? Am I in the right Forum, at the right Site? I guess I am!
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So, I take it, if I have you correct, you are saying these verses prove Christ preexisted as the angel of the Lord. How?
But just to let you know, I believe Christ preexisted (Jn 8:58), and did things, but as God's powerful living spoken word!
What do you mean how?
The verses clearly place Christ there
1 Corinthians 10:1–4 (LEB) — 1 For I do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all went through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:6–9 (LEB) — 6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we should not be desirers of evil things, just as those also desired them, 7 and not become idolaters, as some of them did, just as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play,” 8 nor commit sexual immorality, as some of them committed sexual immorality, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day, 9 nor put Christ to the test, as some of them tested him, and were destroyed by snakes,
Jude 5 (LEB) — 5 Now I want to remind you, although you know everything once and for all, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, the second time destroyed those who did not believe.
compare
Isaiah 63:9–14 (LEB) — 9 In all their distress, there was no distress, and the messenger (angel) of his presence saved them, in his love and compassion he himself redeemed them, and he lifted them up, and he supported them all the days of old. 10 But they were the ones who rebelled, and they grieved his Holy Spirit, so he became an enemy to them; he himself fought against them. 11 Then his people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is the one who led up them from the sea with the shepherds of his flock? Where is the one who puts his Holy Spirit inside him, 12 who made his magnificent arm move at the right hand of Moses, who divided the waters before them, to make an everlasting name for himself, 13 who led them through the depths? They did not stumble like a horse in the desert; 14 like cattle in the valley that goes down, the Spirit of Yahweh gave him rest, so you lead your people to make a magnificent name for yourself.
Christ is the living word
A spoken word is something else
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Air and wind, are they the same, or different?
This is what I know.
Whether one believes the angel of the Lord is Christ, or not, it still has to line up with God's image of "Us," and "Our," which = Gen 1:27!
Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.."
Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male [#1] and female [#2] created he them."
Are you also hearing and believing God's version of.. "Let Us make man in Our image."
"In Our image!"
They are making man in their ("Our") plural image.
So what are we expecting to read when God makes man?
Plural, man!
Made in Their plural image!
And how many were made in their plural image?
Plural, Two!
Just reading it with straightforward comprehension!
There are three in the Godhead
Three involved in creation
Job 26:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
Psalm 104:30 (LEB) — 30 You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.
Colossians 1:15–16 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,
John 1:2–3 (LEB) — 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.
Nehemiah 9:6–16 (LEB) — 6 “You alone are Yahweh. You alone have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, and all of their army, the earth and all that is in it, the waters and all that is in them. You give life to all of them, and the army of the heavens worship you
Isaiah 42:5 (LEB) — 5 Thus says the God, Yahweh, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people upon it and spirit to those who walk in it.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
First there is only ONE PERSON in the Godhead that is a ECHAD of himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. there are several scriptures that contradict and notions of a three person Godhead.
your Job 26:13 "By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent." this is only ONE PERSON. again the term "BY" is the giveaway.
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.
when will they ever learn.
see above.
see above above.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now who made "ALL THINGS?" the LORD or the Lord who is the Word in John 1:? remember the LORD was "Alone", and "by himself".
if one cannot see this by now, God help them.
BINGO, “You alone are Yahweh. You alone have made the heavens," my God when people are going to get it. if he's "ALONE" there is no one else.
so, who else is there? now the KJV, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"
HOW MANY PERSONS IS "he?"
my God, how hard is it to understand? but the scriptures are correct. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" what a shame, lost and they don't even know it..
101G.
101G
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to all,
many say they are followers of Christ.... Good ..... fine, but a question, "why you don't believe him?". if he said that God is a HE a single person, why you don't believe him? scripture, Matthew 19:1 "And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;" Matthew 19:2 "And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there." Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he, he, he made them male and female? How many is "he?". do the Lord Jesus LIE? (God forbid). now 101G challenge all who believe in the Lord Jesus to please explain why he said God is a "he" one Person in the beginning. and he said it is written, and so it is, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." now one's challenge is this, "WHY DO THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE IN VERSE 26 SAY, US AND OUR?" that is what one need to find out. and yes, the answer to this US and OUR is in the bible. so find out why.
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA theanti-christ)
many say they are followers of Christ.... Good ..... fine, but a question, "why you don't believe him?". if he said that God is a HE a single person, why you don't believe him? scripture, Matthew 19:1 "And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;" Matthew 19:2 "And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there." Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he, he, he made them male and female? How many is "he?". do the Lord Jesus LIE? (God forbid). now 101G challenge all who believe in the Lord Jesus to please explain why he said God is a "he" one Person in the beginning. and he said it is written, and so it is, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." now one's challenge is this, "WHY DO THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE IN VERSE 26 SAY, US AND OUR?" that is what one need to find out. and yes, the answer to this US and OUR is in the bible. so find out why.
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the
