101G
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the Ancient of Days is Jesus the Christ. please Read Revelation 1:12-15 and then read Daniel 7:9-10. the same description, hair, feet, garment all the same.
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The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14
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so, we can take this as you cannot understand scriptures?
by the way is Knowing who God's Own ARM is also Undecipherable too? .... (smile).
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Johann
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Yes, the person in John 1:3 who made all things is traditionally understood to be the Logos, or Word, which is identified as Jesus Christ in Christian theology. This aligns with the One Person in Isaiah 44:24, where it states that YHWH (the LORD) alone created the heavens and the earth, and there was no other god beside Him.
In John 1:3, it says:
"All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made."
In Isaiah 44:24, it states:
"Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself."
Key Points:
John 1:3: The one who made all things is the Logos, identified later in the chapter as Jesus (v. 14: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us").
Isaiah 44:24: The Lord (YHWH) claims to have created all things alone.
In Christian theology, Jesus (the Logos) is considered the same Person who is described as YHWH in the Old Testament, meaning that the creator in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 is understood to be the same divine figure, Jesus Christ.
This interpretation is aligned with the doctrine of the Trinity in Christian theology, where Jesus (the Son) and the Father are understood to share the same divine essence and creative authority.
For further reading, references to this connection can be found in works such as:
John 1:1-18 (the Prologue to John's Gospel)
Colossians 1:16-17 ("For by him all things were created...")
Hebrews 1:2 ("...through whom also he created the world.")
You cannot escape this.
J.
civic
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One Person did not make all things.
Loaded question fallacy alert.
see 1 Cor 8:6 where we see 2 Person that created everything.
Sarcasm AlertOne Person did not make all things.
Loaded question fallacy alert.
see 1 Cor 8:6 where we see 2 Person that created everything.
I had this idea pop into my head. Maybe there would some doctrine that would explain how God can refer to himself in the singular while simultaneously, or in other contexts, equally speak of God in plurality. I could imagine God not existing in a simple form that is readily understood by people -- maybe where he exists in some unimaginable fashion beyond human comprehension. I'll keep hunting for something. Maybe others have encountered this in their reading of scripture.
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God actually does refer to His Being in both singular and plural in many places
Oh whew! So it is not just me.God actually does refer to His Being in both singular and plural in many places
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Grammatical Concord: In Hebrew, it is not unusual for a plural noun to be paired with a singular verb, especially when the plural noun is referring to a singular concept or entity. Elohim as a title for God, despite its plural form, is often treated as singular when it refers to the one God. This is a linguistic convention used in the Hebrew Bible to emphasize the fullness and majesty of God's nature.Oh whew! So it is not just me.
Divine Plurality: The use of Elohim in a singular context can also point to divine plurality within the Godhead (e.g., the Trinity in Christian theology), where God is understood as one in essence but plural in persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). This theological understanding aligns with the occasional use of the plural Elohim when referring to the singular God in scriptures like Genesis 1:1 ("In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth") but followed by singular verbs.
Contextual Interpretation: In contexts where Elohim refers to God, the verb forms used (e.g., bara, "created," in Genesis 1:1) are singular, aligning with the singular action of the one God. This usage helps clarify that, despite the grammatical form of Elohim, the passage is emphasizing the singularity of God's actions or essence.
Hope you understand.
J.
Indeed. These details make it challenging at times when writing where the plural and singular are addressed in the same sentence.
Johann
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All you need to do is look for a plural verb to make Elohim function in a plural sense.
J.
101G
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1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." IF THIS IS TWO PERSONS, THEN THE BIBLE IS A LIE ... (GOD FORBID). for Isaiah 44:24 states he the "LORD" was "alone" and, by, by, by, himself when he MADE ALL THINGS. so that eliminates anyone else.
also, he was "by" himself. now listen really good according to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, "by"
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.
by? yes...... by or THROUGH or WITH his OWN Word. he, he, he created and MADE ALL by, by, by, his own Word... and God said, "Let there be"....... and it was. so alone and "BY" HIMSELF, this eliminates anyone else in creation. so the "by in 1 Corinthians 8:6, & Colossians 1:16 as well as the "through" (used in some translation) also are eliminated.
only one Person MADE ALL THINGS. if you can refute these definition, then you're reproved.
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this is the crust of the matter...... How in Plurality? Not in separate and distinct Persons.... NO. but in Ordinal designation of the ONE PERSON "SHARED" in flesh. just as Isaiah 63:5 OT and NT Philippians 2:6 CLEARLY STATES.God actually does refer to His Being in both singular and plural in many places
there is no mystery, it's right there in the bible in black and white. Just read ... WITH the Holy Spirit that's in us. test the spirit by the Spirit.
and that ONE Spirit is ONE PERSON, who Hold both titles, "Father/LORD", "Son/Lord" this is too easy.
people think Spirit and not flesh.
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100% in ERROR. and here's why Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." two term to examine.
A. beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
yes, the "First"/Father/LORD/CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THINGS. and he, the same person is the "LAST"/Son/Lord/SAVIOUR and REDEEMER of all that he Made. first and last is the Ordinal designation in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.... just as the term "beginning" in verse 1 clearly states.
B, God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
NOW WHO IS H433: אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator,
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410
See also: H430, H426
there it is... the [plural of H433] the plural of, of, of, of, and not from, from, from..... for if H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') was "FROM" H433 then it would be two separate and distinct persons. but the definition clearly states, "OF" H433, meaning the same one person in the ECHAD or EQUAL SHARE of himself. my God this is too easy.
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see post 156 above. the mistake was in the definition where it states, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') is the [plural of H433]... and NOT "FROM" H433..
there is the mistake, and the devil lie..... in the simple word ... "OF" (plural of) instead of "FROM" (plural from). this is where the LIE started. 101G is here to stop and expose this LIE of the devil.
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Johann
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first thanks for your advice. but......... either prove 101G right or wrong by scripture.
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