The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[amazing grace]

Jesus stated he came down from heaven, preexisted with God, shared in glory of God , and became human flesh and dwelt among us

Yes, Jesus did 'come down from heaven' aka 'came from God' aka 'the Father sent me'......via conception and birth.
He did not preexist with God. Jesus entered his glory because of his suffering, death, resurrection and ascension where he was crowned with glory and honor.

 

[Doug Brents]

Well, it proves that a spirit didn't descend into Mary's womb which is what you claimed.

How so? How does the genealogy of Jesus prove that He didn't descend from Heaven into Mary's womb, as Scripture says that He did?

He did not literally preexisted his birth. He preexisted in the purpose, plans and forknowledge of God.

That is your opinion. But how can a purpose, plan, and foreknowledge share the same glory as the Father?

I do not build a doctrine upon a few scriptures but the whole of scripture must be in harmony throughout.
I do not ignore John 1:1, 14 and John 17:5 - I just don't understand them in the manner you do because I do not believe that God that God is Triune nor that God became a man therefore, I do not read that INTO the meaning of scripture.

Then you understand those verses improperly; in a manner which ignores, excludes, and contradicts many passages of Scripture.

If I were you I would check my own doctrine before accusing someone else's of being false.

I have, many times. That is one reason I am on sites like this one. I review what others say against what Scripture says and then against what I believe. This forces me to examine what I believe, and find support or contradiction of my belief in Scripture. Then I must subordinate my belief to what Scripture says. When Scripture says clearly that, "The Word was God", and then, "The Word became flesh", and then tells us that the flesh He became is Jesus (John 1) the only conclusion we can come to is that Jesus is God.

If John 1 is not enough for you, then we can go to John 17:5. Here Jesus says that He existed with

Now that we have concluded, based upon Scripture's explicit statements, that Jesus is God, now we are in a position to examine other things Scripture says.

Sorry, Jesus said he had to suffer in order to ENTER into his glory.

Of course He did. He had given up His glory, and had to suffer for man's sins in order to regain/reenter His glory.

I AM - I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE - is what Yahweh said of himself. Yahweh is the Father, Jesus is NOT.

Oh really. Are you sure that wasn't Jesus speaking from the Bush? Exodus doesn't say that the Father was the one speaking.

Then why use that analogy and say it is the same with God?

No analogy for God is completely valid, because God transcends anything we can dream up, much less what we know. But He has given us glimpses of Him nature in our nature.

You do know what a soul is right? Wouldn't that be your breath life? Isn't that how Adam became a living soul, a living person, when God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils? I quit breathing, I am dead, I am buried and I will sleep the sleep of death (Ps. 13:3) until I am resurrected.

Your soul is the immortal spiritual body that is you. It and your spirit (your personality) will be resurrected, to eternal life or eternal death. It is not the physical act of breathing that this mortal body exhibits.

What does my being composed of a spirit and soul and body have to do with knowing God?

It is an analogy for the nature of God: three in one.

 

[amazing grace]

How so? How does the genealogy of Jesus prove that He didn't descend from Heaven into Mary's womb, as Scripture says that He did?

The Greek word for genealogy is genesis and it means origin, source. So the source or origin of Jesus was from the lineage of Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, David, etc. God did not originate from Abraham or Jacob or Isaac or David!
Mary was of the lineage of David - God created Jesus within the womb of Mary therefore Jesus is a descendant of David. 2 Samuel 7 was fulfilled in Jesus - When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son.......And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever.’” Where in the birth records does scripture say Jesus descended from heaven into Mary's womb?

That is your opinion. But how can a purpose, plan, and foreknowledge share the same glory as the Father?

God had a plan for the redemption of humanity. The plan originated in his mind, i.e. his foreknowledge. In that plan, God's Son would receive glory, the glory God had promised before the world existed, the glory God had in store for him. Jesus would receive that promised glory, enter his glory, receive glorification after his suffering, death, resurrection and ascension to the right hand of God his Father when he was crowned with glory and honor.

Then you understand those verses improperly; in a manner which ignores, excludes, and contradicts many passages of Scripture.

I have, many times. That is one reason I am on sites like this one. I review what others say against what Scripture says and then against what I believe. This forces me to examine what I believe, and find support or contradiction of my belief in Scripture. Then I must subordinate my belief to what Scripture says. When Scripture says clearly that, "The Word was God", and then, "The Word became flesh", and then tells us that the flesh He became is Jesus (John 1) the only conclusion we can come to is that Jesus is God.

If John 1 is not enough for you, then we can go to John 17:5. Here Jesus says that He existed with

Now that we have concluded, based upon Scripture's explicit statements, that Jesus is God, now we are in a position to examine other things Scripture says.

Of course He did. He had given up His glory, and had to suffer for man's sins in order to regain/reenter His glory.

I disagree and have used scripture to show when Christ would enter into his glory and when he was crowned with glory and honor - You're hung up on John 17:5 - yes, he had glory with the Father before the world existed - the glory that he was going to receive when he accomplished what God gave him to do.......Just like we have the glory Christ has given us but it is in store for us through his promise in John 17:22.

Oh really. Are you sure that wasn't Jesus speaking from the Bush? Exodus doesn't say that the Father was the one speaking.

If Jesus was an angel then Jesus could have been speaking from the bush but Jesus is not an angel.

No analogy for God is completely valid, because God transcends anything we can dream up, much less what we know. But He has given us glimpses of Him nature in our nature.

Correct there is no analogy of a Triune God because a Triune God does not exist.

Your soul is the immortal spiritual body that is you. It and your spirit (your personality) will be resurrected, to eternal life or eternal death. It is not the physical act of breathing that this mortal body exhibits.

Does scripture talk about an immortal soul or does it talk about sleep as a metaphor for death?
If my immortal soul, my spiritual body is already in heaven what sense is their in a resurrection - why a resurrection at all?

It is an analogy for the nature of God: three in one.

But God is three persons in one --- my body is not a person like the Father is supposedly a 'person' the first person of the Trinity. My soul is not a person like the Son is supposedly a 'person' the second person of the Trinity.
And my spirit is not a person like the Holy Spirit is supposedly a 'person', the third person of the Trinity ---- a Triune God who is supposedly ONE God. Your analogy doesn't work.