civic
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except you have a human biological father, Jesus did not. Huge difference.
The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning
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Peterlag
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What I was saying is all of what you said is not true. Not any part of what I said was not true. Nothing was changed about what I said.
FreeInChrist
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Peter, Peter , Peter.
Jesus was not born like every other human. Mary was a virgin when she conceived and Mary ws still intact until Jesus came from her. That is no other woman in history nor ever will be.
Now are you saying Jesus is not Holy? You only name God and the Spirit.
God the Father is not God the Holy Spirit. First off... if God the Father is God the Holy Spirit how did Mary get impregnated?
Luke tells us
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Sont you just love the way Jimmy's men called Jesus that holy thing?????????????????/_
Mary did NOT get pregnant because “the Father came down”
Bible says “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.”It does not say:
“The Father entered you”, “God Himself became the baby”, “The Father was incarnated”
It says the Holy Spirit came upon her and God’s power overshadowed her.
That is God acting through His Spirit — not God becoming the Spirit.
God and His Spirit are not the same
Yes, God and His Spirit are one in being, but they are not the same person.The Holy Spirit is...
God’s presence, God’s power, God’s breath, God’s agent
But Scripture never calls the Spirit “the Father.”
In fact:
In Gal 4:6 “God sent the Spirit of His Son…” and in John 14:26 “The Father will send the Spirit…”
One sends.... One is sent.... And That means they are not the same person.
Doug Brents
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But the fact remains that not ALL of what I said is untrue (I made a statement within what you said was untrue that you agree is true. Which makes your accusation false.
And as demonstrated to you through Scripture, a good portion of what you said IS untrue. And all of what I said it, in fact, true.
Peterlag
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What part of the below statement did you comment on that I said was true or not true?
Jesus was born from a woman like every other human. God is Holy and He's also Spirit which is why He is often called The Holy Spirit. What part of this do you not understand?
Peterlag
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Can we get out of the idea that words like "God" and "Father" are living creatures? And start to realize they are names and titles? I am not a father, brother, uncle, or son. I'm a human.
Doug Brents
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How many times do I have to repeat myself?
Yes, Jesus was born of a woman. But Jesus was not born "like every other human". He was born of a virgin woman, without the input, consent, interaction, or desire of a man. His spirit was not created in the instant of conception like every other human's. Jesus' spirit came from Heaven to inhabit the body made for Him by the Holy Spirit. His spirit existed before He was born (otherwise He could not say that before Abraham was born He exited), and His spirit was there with God (and was God) being responsible for creating everything that was created. That makes His birth unique.
The Holy Spirit is not the same as the Father. The Holy Spirit is completely separate, and a distinct person from the Father. Notice in Matt 28:19 that the Holy Spirit is listed as separate from the Father and Son. Notice that when Jesus was baptized, the Father spoke from Heaven, Jesus came up out of the water on Earth, and the Spirit came down on Jesus like a dove: three separate manifestations, persons, beings interacting together.
The parts of your post above that are bolded are the only true parts of the post. Everything that is not bolded is FALSE!
Doug Brents
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Wait a minute? You never had a father? Or is it that you are not a male person? If you are a male and you were born, then you are a son. You may never have had children, so you may not be a father. Your parents may not have had siblings who had children, so you may not be an uncle. You may not have had siblings so you may not be a brother. but if you are male you most certainly are a son. You can be more than just "human".
And names and titles are very important. God most certainly is a living creature/being. Life cannot come from non-life. And we are alive (having a living spirit within us) which means that God is alive (because our spirit came from Him).
FreeInChrist
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That is a great way to deny who is what.
" I am not a father, brother, uncle, or son. I'm a human." What are your preferred pronouns... "Us, We, They and Them?"
Can we get out of the idea that words like "God" and "Father" are living creatures?
Creatures......
Luke 1: 35 Jimmy's book.
5 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Thing.......
That says it all.
