Trinity destruction in Scripture

[civic]

I have not heard whether you have these organized somewhere. Some stuff should go in the resources page or featured content, but it is hard to keep expanding the forum. I sort of was checking books on the Trinity that share many unexpected passages. One list of books is on bestcommentaries.com -- but this is not my focus right now.

That post was just me thinking and typing. I have some documents I have written that references the verses and some of them are on thread here. Maybe I will come up with specifics on the Trinity and 2 natures in Christ that we could have pinned on the Trinity and Christology sections on the forum, Let me collaborate with our @Administrator and see how we should do this.

Thanks for the idea Mike !

 

[civic]

I have not heard whether you have these organized somewhere. Some stuff should go in the resources page or featured content, but it is hard to keep expanding the forum. I sort of was checking books on the Trinity that share many unexpected passages. One list of books is on bestcommentaries.com -- but this is not my focus right now.

On a side note I have 2 full shelves in my Library devoted to the Person of Christ and the Trinity. Those topics/doctrines have been my passion since I was saved.

 

[civic]

I have not heard whether you have these organized somewhere. Some stuff should go in the resources page or featured content, but it is hard to keep expanding the forum. I sort of was checking books on the Trinity that share many unexpected passages. One list of books is on bestcommentaries.com -- but this is not my focus right now.

I'm working on the Trinity now in this thread and adding to the OP. PM me if you would like brother with any suggestions

Thread 'The Father, Son and Holy Spirit'

Jul 21, 2023

One God, 3 Persons- The Father, Son and Holy Spirit all each called God


All called God
The Father- Psalm 89:26, 1Corinthians 8:6, Galalatians 1:1, Colossians 1:3
The Son- 1 Timothy 1:16-17,John 20:28,Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 John 5:20
The Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4, Acts 28:25, cf Isaiah 6:8

All Creator
The Father- Isaiah 44:24, 1 Corinthians 8:6
The Son - Colossians 1:16; John 1:3
The Holy Spirit- Job 33:4, Psalms 104:30, Genesis 1:2

All Raised Jesus
The Father- 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
The Son- John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit- Romans 8:11

All Eternal
The Father-...

• civic
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[synergy]

More false accusations. Then how about you be a man and defend that faith that is in you.

You still haven't retracted your denigrating position concerning Jesus. Suit yourself.

Is Mary the mother of the Lord (kyrios) according to the flesh or the mother of the Lord according to the spirit?

Why don't you be a man and just state what you want to say? Stop beating around the bush.

Luke 1
43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Wonderful Trinitarian verse.

 

[civic]

I have not heard whether you have these organized somewhere. Some stuff should go in the resources page or featured content, but it is hard to keep expanding the forum. I sort of was checking books on the Trinity that share many unexpected passages. One list of books is on bestcommentaries.com -- but this is not my focus right now.

I started another one on the Deity of the Son of God here :

Thread 'The Son of God is God'

Dec 3, 2025

The Divine Son of God !

For the nons and anti trins- here is who the OT and NT writers reveal Yahweh to be. We will begin with the New Testament inspired writers and see who they identified as YHWH. Lets walk throughb some scriptures from both testaments.

Lets begin with my favorite gospel, in John 12:37-41 we read the following: Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"...

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[Runningman]

the problem is that you have to alter the wording to share here. Then also you forget that Jesus is One in that same God. You neglect the passages that show the deity of Christ. Your views are distorted and you cannot make a sufficient argument to deny the deity of Christ.

Didn't alter any wording. You alter the words and the meaning. Begotten means eternal, death isn't death, son isn't a real son, humans are God, the Father as the only true God isn't the only true God, etc. Trinitarianism is a chaotic and tortured belief system.

 

[Runningman]

this is a strawman since we Christian Trinitarians don't hold mary above anyone- she was in need of a Savior as all men. Jesus was her Savior for her sins.

So you confess that Mary is the mother of the Lord according to the flesh only? Who is the Father of the Lord?

And Jesus did not need to be saved since He was the Savior of all the world. No man can save anyone form their sins. Psalm 49:7.

Scripture teaches Jesus was brought under judgement by God and found innocent.

1 Timothy 3
16By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was proclaimed among the nations,
was believed in throughout the world,
was taken up in glory.

Though sinless, he still required saving like we all do:

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

So since Jesus is our Savior, He is not an idol since only God can save a man from their sins. And we know Christ is God, Savior, Lord, Redeemer, Creator, Holy, sinless just like the Father.

So Jesus is an idol because he isn't God. You can't prove Jesus is God using Scripture. Only God is the Creator, Jesus is never said to be that in all of Scripture. My favorite passage disproving Jesus as the Creator is in Acts 4. I normally can't get you guys to read the whole thing though. I like it because it also demonstrates that the disciples didn't believe Jesus is God or the Creator.

God is the Creator, Jesus and David are servants.

Acts 4
23On their release, Peter and John returned to their own people and reported everything that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 25You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of Your servant, our father David:
‘Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
26The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the Lord
and against His Anointed One.’
27In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed. 28They carried out what Your hand and will had decided beforehand would happen. 29And now, Lord, consider their threats, and enable Your servants to speak Your word with complete boldness, 30as You stretch out Your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of Your holy servant Jesus.”

Like Father, like Son- both are God hence He is called God manifest in the flesh, All the fulness of Deity dwells bodily, who being in the very nature GOD did not think it robbery to be EQUAL to God. He who has seen ME has seen the Father, Before Abraham was I AM, I Am the Alpha and Omega- the ALMIGHTY, I Am the First and the Last, I Am the beginning and the End, I Am the Good Shepherd, The Lord is my Shepherd I shall not want. He is the ONE LORD, ONLY LORD. He is YHWH the Great I Am - He is the Father of Eternity, the Mighty God, Emmanuel. He is before all created things and created all things. In Him al things exist. He holds all things in creation together as its Creator. The Word was God, the Word who was God became Flesh- man and dwelled among us and we beheld HIS GLORY. God will not share His Glory with anyone. Jesus said He shared the same GLORY together with the Father before the world existed. He is the True God and Eternal life, He was worshipped as God/Lord/Savior, by those He healed, His disciples and all who are in heaven now.

I could go on and on for hours on end showing from memory all His Divine Titles, descriptions, scriptures declaring His Deity. I'm just beginning to get warmed up, this coffee I roasted is fantastic.

next fallacy.................

hope this helps !!!

What is your work around for Jesus lacking about 2 dozen divine names and titles that only God has? For starters, Jesus is never called God Almighty, or YHWH, or LORD of hosts, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the I AM, never called the only true God, never worshipped nor prayed to after he was taken to heaven, etc. That means he isn't God.

 

[Runningman]

You still haven't retracted your denigrating position concerning Jesus. Suit yourself.

Whatever you are imagining seems to only exist in your head.

Why don't you be a man and just state what you want to say? Stop beating around the bush.

Wonderful Trinitarian verse.

I'll take you not answering my question and getting defensive about it as an acknowledgement that it's a tough question for you. It's ok to have tough questions. I really hope you think about the answer to this one and don't do what the Catholics did by turning Mary into an idol as well.

 

[synergy]

I'll take you not answering my question and getting defensive about it as an acknowledgement that it's a tough question for you. It's ok to have tough questions. I really hope you think about the answer to this one and don't do what the Catholics did by turning Mary into an idol as well.

So you persist on diverting the subject from the Trinity in Scripture to Mary. That's what every loser does when he loses the argument. He runs away from the original subject with his diversions. If you want to create or have already a Mary thread, tell me about it and I'll be more than happy to participate.

 

[mikesw]

Didn't alter any wording. You alter the words and the meaning. Begotten means eternal, death isn't death, son isn't a real son, humans are God, the Father as the only true God isn't the only true God, etc. Trinitarianism is a chaotic and tortured belief system.

The problem is not with little distortions and bad translations you use. You neglect the passages that show the divinity of Christ. Your distort John 1 out of any sensible meaning with the inclination to follow some unitarian altered meaning of the chapter. If you had an argument against the pre-existence and divinity passages, you would have given it by now. All you would have to prove ( hahah) is that the divinity of Christ is some big misconception inspired by scripture.

 

[Runningman]

So you persist on diverting the subject from the Trinity in Scripture to Mary. That's what every loser does when he loses the argument. He runs away from the original subject with his diversions. If you want to create or have already a Mary thread, tell me about it and I'll be more than happy to participate.

You are the one who brought up the kyrios argument again. I am still on that topic about Mary being the mother of the Lord (kyrios.) Don't think you can weasle your way out of it and change the subject, accuse me, etc. Say anything you want about me, but I don't really care at all.

Address the topic you brought up now. Is Mary the mother of a God kyrios or a human kyrios?

 

[Runningman]

The problem is not with little distortions and bad translations you use. You neglect the passages that show the divinity of Christ. Your distort John 1 out of any sensible meaning with the inclination to follow some unitarian altered meaning of the chapter. If you had an argument against the pre-existence and divinity passages, you would have given it by now. All you would have to prove ( hahah) is that the divinity of Christ is some big misconception inspired by scripture.

You ignore the divine things that you claim means Jesus is God, but are shared with others too. We have been over this exhaustively. Anything you have said about Jesus I have shown you others have. I think you think I will just go in circles with you forever. I won't. I will keep pressing on. You are free to follow me around and complain while I do it, but it doesn't change anything.

 

[civic]

You ignore the divine things that you claim means Jesus is God, but are shared with others too. We have been over this exhaustively. Anything you have said about Jesus I have shown you others have. I think you think I will just go in circles with you forever. I won't. I will keep pressing on. You are free to follow me around and complain while I do it, but it doesn't change anything.

nice try since we did not exist before we were born.

we did not come down from heaven like Jesus did who existed in heaven before becoming man

we did not exist before the world existed

we did not share Gods glory with Him before the world existed

I could name another 100 similar things that separates man from Christ.

next fallacy

 

[mikesw]

You ignore the divine things that you claim means Jesus is God, but are shared with others too. We have been over this exhaustively. Anything you have said about Jesus I have shown you others have. I think you think I will just go in circles with you forever. I won't. I will keep pressing on. You are free to follow me around and complain while I do it, but it doesn't change anything.

I'm not sure your mission. You provide failed arguments over and over again as if repetition will make your arguments true or logical. Yours is obviously a de-evangelism effort -- to take away the good news of Christ. Why do you push on so hard for something that totally fails? It is not like you are checking whether your ideas are true. You simply have an opinion, a unique-reading, and hold to that no matter how much it fails.

 

[civic]

I'm not sure your mission. You provide failed arguments over and over again as if repetition will make your arguments true or logical. Yours is obviously a de-evangelism effort -- to take away the good news of Christ. Why do you push on so hard for something that totally fails? It is not like you are checking whether your ideas are true. You simply have an opinion, a unique-reading, and hold to that no matter how much it fails.

the only argument that can be made from any uni is Jesus humanity on which we affirm. But as you and I both know there was no other man born or created like Him. He is Unique as a man- Holy, Sinless, without an earthly Father, conceived by the Holy Spirit, existed before becoming man, that faith in Him alone is what gives salvation from sin, eternal life, resurrection from the dead spending eternity with Him, Christ centered gospel, the scriptures are all about Him and point to Him, the types and shadows in the O.T. all declare His glory, None of which can be said about any other man. These are just a few things that camer to mibnd as I was responding. I could compile a 100 more if I gave it some time.

they are up a creek without a paddle

 

[mikesw]

the only argument that can be made from any uni is Jesus humanity on which we affirm. But as you and I both know there was no other man born or created like Him. He is Unique as a man- Holy, Sinless, without an earthly Father, conceived by the Holy Spirit, existed before becoming man, that faith in Him alone is what gives salvation from sin, eternal life, resurrection from the dead spending eternity with Him, Christ centered gospel, the scriptures are all about Him and point to Him, the types and shadows in the O.T. all declare His glory, None of which can be said about any other man. These are just a few things that camer to mibnd as I was responding. I could compile a 100 more if I gave it some time.

they are up a creek without a paddle

mmmpphhh. I could keep going on but mmmpphhh.

 

[civic]

mmmpphhh. I could keep going on but mmmpphhh.

we can never stop pointing to Christ and giving Him all the glory due His Holy Name- He is Good indeed and we know only God is Good ! That is another stumbling block for the uni.

Amen

 

[Runningman]

nice try since we did not exist before we were born.

we did not come down from heaven like Jesus did who existed in heaven before becoming man

we did not exist before the world existed

we did not share Gods glory with Him before the world existed

I could name another 100 similar things that separates man from Christ.

next fallacy

There is no record of Jesus existing before he was born either. You have only further proven my point that Jesus is a man.

 

[Runningman]

I'm not sure your mission. You provide failed arguments over and over again as if repetition will make your arguments true or logical. Yours is obviously a de-evangelism effort -- to take away the good news of Christ. Why do you push on so hard for something that totally fails? It is not like you are checking whether your ideas are true. You simply have an opinion, a unique-reading, and hold to that no matter how much it fails.

My mission is just show you what the Bible says. Your mission is to perpetuate unscriptural philosophy. No mention of a trinity in the Bible. Your interpretations fail.

 

[mikesw]

My mission is just show you what the Bible says. Your mission is to perpetuate unscriptural philosophy. No mention of a trinity in the Bible. Your interpretations fail.

I guess we will have to wait a long time before you have any true ideas what the Bible says. Sorry it is taking you so long and that you cannot form reasonable arguments yet.