The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[amazing grace]

If Scripture says something, even once, then it is 100% certain, take it to the bank, positively TRUTH!

That is all true, but what we also see is that it was part of God (the Logos of God (John 1:1)), that created all that is (John 1:3), left Heaven (John 6:38), emptied Himself (Phil 2:7), became subservient to the Father (Phil 2:6-8), and was then raised back to where He was before.

God is not 'parts' ...... ask any Trinitarian here. God is indivisible.

God's logos is God's word.....all things that were created by His word and the breath of His mouth.
Jesus came down from heaven, aka came from God, aka God the Father sent me ----
Jesus came down from heaven, etc. via a miraculous conception in the womb of Mary.

Philippians 2:6-9 Jesus emptied himself of his 'God-given' prerogatives------Jesus was the suffering servant of Isaiah 52,53
He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; (53:3); he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows (53:4a); and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all (53:6b). He poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors (53:12b). Therefore, he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted. (Isaiah 52:13) God's chosen servant, Jesus Christ.

No need for a Trinity, no need for Jesus to be God at all ---- Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the man attested by God, empowered by God, strengthened by God, gave His life, shed his blood, ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father ---- Our HOPE.

 

[mikesw]

God is not 'parts' ...... ask any Trinitarian here. God is indivisible.

God's logos is God's word.....all things that were created by His word and the breath of His mouth.
Jesus came down from heaven, aka came from God, aka God the Father sent me ----
Jesus came down from heaven, etc. via a miraculous conception in the womb of Mary.

Philippians 2:6-9 Jesus emptied himself of his 'God-given' prerogatives------Jesus was the suffering servant of Isaiah 52,53
He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; (53:3); he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows (53:4a); and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all (53:6b). He poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors (53:12b). Therefore, he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted. (Isaiah 52:13) God's chosen servant, Jesus Christ.

No need for a Trinity, no need for Jesus to be God at all ---- Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the man attested by God, empowered by God, strengthened by God, gave His life, shed his blood, ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father ---- Our HOPE.

Indeed there is no "need" for a Trinity. This is simply who God is.
However, there is a "need" for Jesus to have pre-existed as God lest we find John a liar in John 1, which would make scriptures untrustworthy. If not the Son of God, his is just a martyr's death just as any prophet was in the past.

It is absurd for unitarians to create new, novel, gnostic, private doctrine as if it were insight and then try to argue that unitarian view by skipping the verses that explicitly reject the unitarian position. There is no need for that.

 

[Peterlag]

The question of what God is has been approached in countless ways across different religions, philosophies, and personal beliefs. Generally speaking, God is often described in terms of attributes, experiences, and relationships rather than in definitive, limited terms. Many traditions present God as:

Transcendent: Beyond human comprehension and existing outside of time and space.
Immanent: Present and active within the world and within all living beings.
Omniscient: All-knowing, with complete knowledge of the past, present, and future.
Omnipotent: All-powerful, capable of anything.
Omnibenevolent: All-good, embodying the highest moral perfection.

Different cultures and spiritual systems also frame God through various titles, metaphors, or roles. For example

The Creator in many Abrahamic religions.
The Divine Presence or The Source in mystical traditions.
The Self or Atman in certain Eastern philosophies, like Hinduism.
The Absolute or The Ground of Being in existential and process philosophy.

Ultimately, what God is might depend on your own perspective or worldview, and the search for understanding God is often viewed as a personal, deeply transformative journey.

None of these above are me. ARE THEY YOU?

That God is the eternal everlasting spirit who designed and created us to love and be loved through a future eternity of companionship with Him, and the Son, who is also God, and the Holy Spirit the third in the Godhead.

I say this because of my personal relationship with Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirits relationship within me.

IOW
God is the eternal, self-existent Spirit, the source of all life and being. He did not create out of need, but out of love. Within God Himself is relationship—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—perfect love shared eternally. Out of that overflowing love, He designed and created us to know Him, to love, and to be loved, and to share in that life forever.

The Father is the origin and will of love.
The Son, who is fully God, reveals that love in a way we can see and touch—entering creation, sharing our nature, and restoring broken relationship.
The Holy Spirit, also fully God, makes that relationship real and living within us—guiding, comforting, and transforming us.

So God is not just power, or law, or mystery alone.
God is personal, relational, and eternal love, inviting human beings into an unending companionship with Himself.

It's a good thing I'm here. God is Spirit. He is also Holy which is why He's often referred to in the Bible as The Holy Spirit.

cc: @Doug Brents

 

[Peterlag]

 

[mikesw]

It's a good thing I'm here. God is Spirit. He is also Holy which is why He's often referred to in the Bible as The Holy Spirit.

and per unitarian viewpoints, the Holy Spirit at the baptism is throwing his voice back into the heavens -- as a ventriloquist. For them it is not as if God the Father spoke from heaven while another One in the Trinity came upon Jesus who also is identified in John 1 as pre-existing as God. In the unitarian concept God is just creating weird anomalies to confuse people.

 

[mikesw]

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Wow. this meme does not reflect any logical analysis of scripture. Hopefully their nonsensical interpretation will be dropped quickly. In reality, the scriptures show many times of Jesus' preexistence as God and his role in creation. But those passages must be dropped by serious unitarian advocates.

 

[Peterlag]

Let's talk about Philippians 2...

Philippians 2:9-11
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Peterlag]

 

[mikesw]

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duh. are you going to let your misinterpretation of the situation to confuse yourself and others? Jesus as being the pre-existing one becoming incarnate has a unique distinction within the Godhead. He has distinction because he has been known through incarnation as being seen among the Jews. He bridges from the Father to all of humanity. Otherwise, a person has to reject John 1:1-18 to come to other theories.