The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[Runningman]

You find approval in such. You can't say otherwise. I lead you into doing this. It is always revealing when men start challenging one another.

I don't seek such approval as this. To me, you can have all that comes with such.

If you wish to discredit God for His miracles, you're free to do that if you want to sound like an atheist. I bet you never thought you'd see the day you'd actually try to rob God of His glory, but here you are. It's because you'll disagree with anything I put in front of you. Pay attention, I am controlling this debate.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ok, well I have disproven your theory about προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen) referring to deity worship in the same way it does for the Father in John 4:23,24. Yes, people can bow to others and it can be called worship, but it doesn't follow to a sound conclusion that it means someone is God. Unless you're calling Abraham an idolator?

No. You really didn't. There is this context in any ancient languages of "semantic range". You're referencing a very old manuscript. That word wasn't used the same way in when it was first referenced by ancient Jews translating the Torah to a people that had rejected God.

That is why there are two words that are largely synonyms used for worship in the extant writings of the Greek language.

How old is Greek? Do you even know?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Stalling. You are the one who is put on the spot now. So far I haven't seen any rebuttals. Looks like another win for the Unitarian camp.

The fact you're responding this way clearly shows you're not nearly as informed as you think you are. I didn't have to google to learn something tonight like you think you have.

 

[Runningman]

No. You really didn't. There is this context in any ancient languages of "semantic range". You're referencing a very old manuscript. That word wasn't used the same way in when it was first referenced by ancient Jews translating the Torah to a people that had rejected God.

That is why there are two words that are largely synonyms used for worship in the extant writings of the Greek language.

How old is Greek? Do you even know?

Yes, I quite did. Go back and read what you said about προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen) in Mark 5:6 compared to John 4:23,24. Your argument was based solely on a word that means to bow at the knee with the premise meaning that if someone does it to someone else then it means they are God. You were blown away by the fact that Abraham did the same thing to a group of people.

 

[Runningman]

The fact you're responding this way clearly shows you're not nearly as informed as you think you are. I didn't have to google to learn something tonight like you think you have.

Yeah that's what I thought. Try to assign homework assignments to me and attempt to send me on errands after you lost a debate. How arrogant. Do better.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, I quite did. Go back and read what you said about προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen) in Mark 5:6 compared to John 4:23,24. Your argument was based solely on a word that means to bow at the knee with the premise meaning that if someone does it to someone else then it means they are God. You were blown away by the fact that Abraham did the same thing to a group of people.

That isn't what it meant when Abraham did what he did. Did you know there are variant editions of the LXX? I know this. It is why I asked about what manuscript you use. You're the loser. You're losing this debate. Not me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yeah that's what I thought. Try to assign homework assignments to me and attempt to send me on errands after you lost a debate. How arrogant. Do better.

I'm not your teacher. You don't want to know what I know. You're a mocker of Jesus Christ.

 

[Runningman]

That isn't what it meant when Abraham did what he did. Did you know there are variant editions of the LXX? I know this. It is why I asked about what manuscript you use. You're the loser. You're losing this debate. Not me.

After you go back and cite all the versions you used I will be happy to provide you which version I used.

However, there are very few exceptions Jesus has when compared to other people. If you don't do your homework before putting out another half baked argument you'll see what I am talking about.

 

[Runningman]

I'm not your teacher. You don't want to know what I know. You're a mocker of Jesus Christ.

You're an accuser of Jesus Christ, saying he is God when he repeatedly denied or suggested he isn't.

John 14
1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well.

Mark 10
18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

This will not end well for you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

After you go back and cite all the versions you used I will be happy to provide you which version I used.

However, there are very few exceptions Jesus has when compared to other people. If you don't do your homework before putting out another half baked argument you'll see what I am talking about.

You reference a website that doesn't reference manuscripts. I saw what you posted. This isn't a battle of forcing someone to use your source. I don't need your website. I know much more about the LXX than you do. I don't need you teach me anything,

 

[praise_yeshua]

You're an accuser of Jesus Christ, saying he is God when he repeatedly denied or suggested he isn't.

John 14
1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well.

Mark 10
18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.

This will not end well for you.

I'd say you don't know what they word "also" actually means.

Can you say what Jesus said in John 14?

Just go ahead and claim you can. Stop beating around the "bush". You Unitarians always end up right here and then run away.

You want to replace Jesus Christ.

 

[Runningman]

You reference a website that doesn't reference manuscripts. I saw what you posted. This isn't a battle of forcing someone to use your source. I don't need your website. I know much more about the LXX than you do. I don't need you teach me anything,

It's a Greek interlinear which will help you not make failed arguments. You can see how language is used in a convenient side-by-side format, at a glance, without doing a lot of extra digging. It also provides definitions and contexts. Study light is a great study tool. You don't need to be arrogant about it, you obviously just don't know the Bible better than me or you have kept your mouth shut instead of making that disaster of an argument.

 

[Runningman]

I'd say you don't know what they word "also" actually means.

Can you say what Jesus said in John 14?

Just go ahead and claim you can. Stop beating around the "bush". You Unitarians always end up right here and then run away.

You want to replace Jesus Christ.

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well."

"As well" means in addition to. So believe in God and Jesus aren't the same things. That's literally what Jesus said.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's a Greek interlinear which will help you not make failed arguments. You can see how language is used in a convenient side-by-side format, at a glance, without doing a lot of extra digging. It also provides definitions and contexts. Study light is a great study tool. You don't need to be arrogant about it, you obviously just don't know the Bible better than me or you have kept your mouth shut instead of making that disaster of an argument.

A Greek interlinear isn't an ancient manuscript.

I don't need someone else's opinion found in a Greek Interlinear. That is all it is.

 

[praise_yeshua]

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well."

"As well" means in addition to. So believe in God and Jesus aren't the same things. That's literally what Jesus said.

I asked if you can say the same thing Jesus said. Did you miss that question. The way you're using "also" requires you to believe you can be treated the same way as Jesus.

Jesus was making an exclusive comparison that doesn't include you.

 

[Runningman]

A Greek interlinear isn't an ancient manuscript.

I don't need someone else's opinion found in a Greek Interlinear. That is all it is.

The only thing you read is just the original Greek manuscript then? You don't have access to it.

 

[Runningman]

I asked if you can say the same thing Jesus said. Did you miss that question. The way you're using "also" requires you to believe you can be treated the same way as Jesus.

Jesus was making an exclusive comparison that doesn't include you.

I am not the one making the statement and I am not Jesus. Not sure why you would conflate me with Jesus.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am not the one making the statement and I am not Jesus. Not sure why you would conflate me with Jesus.

I'm not conflating you with Jesus. Your argument require you be just like Jesus.

Jesus said many thing that you can't be yourself. MANY things. You keep ignoring this. You insist that Jesus is just a man. That is your position. Deal with it.

 

[Runningman]

I'm not conflating you with Jesus. Your argument require you be just like Jesus.

Jesus said many thing that you can't be yourself. MANY things. You keep ignoring this. You insist that Jesus is just a man. That is your position. Deal with it.

Quoting Jesus isn't an argument. I am not sure what you are imagining again. Jesus and God are different in many ways. For one, God is not a man (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) but Jesus is.

 

[101G]

Repeating yourself is supposed to prove what? That you're arguing simply for argument's sake?

As soon as you can overcome the literally dozens of websites that confirm Jehovah is the most commonly accepted English translation of the Divine Name, you will have made a point.

repeating the word of God? your loss. and for the false man made name Jehovah again your loss there also..... good luck, (smile)

101G.