The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[360watt]

Revelation 13:8 is about worshipping the anti-Christ, read the context please. I hope you won't be deceived.

So as I was saying, there is nothing in Scripture that states they will worship Jesus when he returns.

True..the worship is of Satan..my mistake.

But part of this is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That is Jesus. It's Jesus' book of life.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus explicitly taught her to worship the Father:

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

You cannot cast out the kingdom of God using the kingdom of Satan. It seems you don't know that you are on the losing side. May your rebukes return to you.

Same word. Same words used in John 4 and Mark5. Worship identical to Father and Son.

 

[Runningman]

God can answer who he approves. God rebuke you Satan.

Sounds like you aren't getting any answers because you don't actually pray to God and you don't know what you're praying for. You use the kingdom of darkness to attack the kingdom of light. How can you succeed in such a case?

 

[Runningman]

Same word. Same words used in John 4 and Mark5. Worship identical to Father and Son.

Worshipping in spirit and truth is how the true worshippers worship and it is prescribed only to the Father. Physical bowing in the dirt has nothing to do with God worship. Read John 4 again.

 

[FreeInChrist]

"Every eye will see him" because it's future tense. Does it actually work on some people when you tell them the Bible doesn't say what it says? We can all read here. Attempting to convince people the Bible doesn't say what it says isn't a good luck. You read it again now.

Oh really? I am pretty sure Jesus did a great job explaining who my God is. Your god was never found on the lips of anyone in Scripture. Your god is fake, impotent, and will eventually disappear into the folds of history along with Zeus and Hermes. Just a story kids hear about in school some day.

My God will be here forever.

John 1
18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Would that be Βελίαρ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

True..the worship is of Satan..my mistake.

But part of this is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That is Jesus. It's Jesus' book of life.

You referenced the wrong spot. Simple mistake. Even Alex O'Connor must resort to claiming Revelations is a late manuscript. He isn't Alex O'Connor

 

[Runningman]

True..the worship is of Satan..my mistake.

But part of this is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. That is Jesus. It's Jesus' book of life.

I am glad you mentioned that verse. Was the Lamb slain once before the world was created and then another time after? I like this verse because it shows that Jesus didn't actually pre-exist.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sounds like you aren't getting any answers because you don't actually pray to God and you don't know what you're praying for. You use the kingdom of darkness to attack the kingdom of light. How can you succeed in such a case?

I prayed to Jesus Christ that my girlfriend at the time and wife of many years now would live when everyone was expecting her to die. Jesus Christ answered me. I don't need you to tell me that I was wrong. God answered me. Jesus Christ answered me.

 

[360watt]

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

This is a reference to Jesus by previous context as the Messiah as the one to be worshipped. 'He will teach us all things '

Man I've wasted so much time posting with you, RM

You only have to look at the myriad of other Bible commentators who have debunked your supposed reasoning of Jesus not being God. Over a thousand years of rebuttal.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I am glad you mentioned that verse. Was the Lamb slain once before the world was created and then another time after? I like this verse because it shows that Jesus didn't actually pre-exist.

When God purposes something. It is as good as done. When you make plans, they fail. This is another witness to your sinfulness.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Worshipping in spirit and truth is how the true worshippers worship and it is prescribed only to the Father. Physical bowing in the dirt has nothing to do with God worship. Read John 4 again.

I read it many times. Same word used for worshipping the Father as that righteous soul did when they prayed and worshipped Jesus.

What pray have you answered?

 

[Runningman]

I prayed to Jesus Christ that my girlfriend at the time and wife of many years now would live when everyone was expecting her to die. Jesus Christ answered me. I don't need you to tell me that I was wrong. God answered me. Jesus Christ answered me.

I've also prayed in weeping and mourning that someone would be healed of their crippling epilepsy and they didn't have another episode since that time many years ago. It was only coincidental that you prayed to Jesus, but God is near to the broken hearted, even those as misguided as yourself. If I truly cared to pray about you, God would start listening. I know it for a fact. You're no threat. I just want you to follow Jesus' teachings.

 

[Runningman]

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

This is a reference to Jesus by previous context as the Messiah as the one to be worshipped. 'He will teach us all things '

Man I've wasted so much time posting with you, RM

You only have to look at the myriad of other Bible commentators who have debunked your supposed reasoning of Jesus not being God. Over a thousand years of rebuttal.

But who taught Jesus all things?

John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me

 

[Runningman]

I read it many times. Same word used for worshipping the Father as that righteous soul did when they prayed and worshipped Jesus.

What pray have you answered?

Same word for worship is used of other humans as well. This isn't a game of connect the dots. There is cultural bowing, not the same idea as true worship that only the Father receives.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I've also prayed in weeping and mourning that someone would be healed of their crippling epilepsy and they didn't have another episode since that time many years ago. It was only coincidental that you prayed to Jesus, but God is near to the broken hearted, even those as misguided as yourself.

Only coincidence? Maybe someone of much higher quality of character was involved.

Do you ask Jesus for anything? My brother has epilepsy. I know all about it. You are referencing "grand mal" seizures. Epilepsy is much more than a "Grand Mal" seizure. They are actually very rare and easily controlled with medication.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Same word for worship is used of other humans as well. This isn't a game of connect the dots. There is cultural bowing, not the same idea as true worship that only the Father receives.

You don't know the arguments. I do.

So what others are you referencing? Go for it.

 

[Runningman]

You don't know the arguments. I do.

So what others are you referencing? Go for it.

Apparently you don't. You seem to think you can argue your way of John 4:23,24 being the only teaching to worship in the Bible. How about you just agree with Scripture rather than looking for an escape based on grammar?

 

[Runningman]

Only coincidence? Maybe someone of much higher quality of character was involved.

Do you ask Jesus for anything? My brother has epilepsy. I know all about it. You are referencing "grand mal" seizures. Epilepsy is much more than a "Grand Mal" seizure. They are actually very rare and easily controlled with medication.

Yes, they were already being medicated and the medicine wasn't working. Prayer did. If you can move God with a real, sincere, powerful prayer then things will start happening. Pestering God with your petty squabbles because you can't prove your religion using the Bible is rather silly, in my honest opinion. You seem very threatened by Scripture.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Apparently you don't. You seem to think you can argue your way of John 4:23,24 being the only teaching to worship in the Bible. How about you just agree with Scripture rather than looking for an escape based on grammar?

You mentioned other people. Not me. You did.

If we were having a public audio or video debate, this would already be over with.

You don't realize how long evil Unitarians like yourself have been making the same bad arguments. I have actually been very busy today.

So, name these occurrence where Christ isn't alone in being worshipped. Did the Jews of Christ's day murder them too?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, they were already being medicated and the medicine wasn't working. Prayer did. If you can move God with a real, sincere, powerful prayer then things will start happening. Pestering God with your petty squabbles because you can't prove your religion using the Bible is rather silly, in my honest opinion. You seem very threatened by Scripture.

I'm not threatened by Scripture. I know them better than you do.

Paul mentioned how Alexander the Coopersmith had greatly resisted his words. Elijah didn't have an issue with the prophets of Baal. Now Elijah did have issues with Ahab's wife.

Knowing this will prepare you for God's choices. When God is called down between two brothers in the family, that is different than dealing with good and evil. Even then, God's purpose is served. If God will not remove you from deceiving others, than the job is left to me.

Again. If you're so so knowledgeable, take my challenge to debate this. You ignore more than half of what I say. You always do. You will not do this in a public debate where you're on the record. This "forum" experience is just that. An experience.